Stargate Through the Looking Glass and into Heaven.

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

on another note it occurs to me that even with Earth's massively limited budget and resources due to this all being secret and run by 1 nation to boot(although for how long this will remain the case beats me) they likely have a construction rate for starships that's impressive by anyone's standards that aren't the asgards or replicators

It would impress even the System Lords who are the reigning industrial juggernauts in this continuity who even manage to edge out the Asgardians in ship building capacity. Granted, they're lucky Constellation has an ST style industrial replicator and machine shop otherwise they'd be fucked.

Spoiler: Spoiler for serpent song

Granted, one nation and they've been working in secret since the 1980's and managed to build 4 of the 20 ships I plan to have them eventually field without Constellations help.

You're definitely going to see a lot senior ranked Jaffa and logistics officers do what Ishta did and develop a lot of respect for Earth's martial tradition.

And also foam at the mouth at the financial opportunities, because as Teal'c pointed out..Earth's a veritable printing press.

Bra'tac might actually put in a request to whoever becomes Emperor when this is all over to have Tau'Ri instructors give lectures at Dakkara's academy at some point. He might even ask for Veteran law enforcement officers to go on tour of the Imperium to help the more police inclined Jaffa brush up their skills if Disclosure eventually happens.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

It would impress even the System Lords who are the reigning industrial juggernauts in this continuity who even manage to edge out the Asgardians in ship building capacity. Granted, they're lucky Constellation has an ST style industrial replicator and machine shop otherwise they'd be fucked.

I said construction rate not capacity. You can brute force your way to having high capacity and they have interstellar empires. Meanwhile Earth has maybe a few thousand dudes working on their ships right now

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I said construction rate not capacity. You can brute force your way to having high capacity and they have interstellar empires. Meanwhile Earth has maybe a few thousand dudes working on their ships right now

Fair enough! That is going to turn some heads.

A few thousands dudes, commanded by two lunatics; one recently released from an insane asylum in the land of dread and dragons known as Florida.

McKay is gonna end up an urban legend among Goa'uld scientists.

 

[Harlock]

@Spartan303 @Harlock @bullethead @The Whispering Monk @Knowledgeispower @Jouaint @Bear Ribs

I was thinking of something like this..for the "Carriers" that the former Aircraft officers in the Space Force would command.

With the F-302 's of this canon launching from there after being "raised up" from below.

Also kinda picture it being escorted by two flying bricks whose sole purpose is to disgorge a few hundred cold war era nukes repurposed and Naquadah enhanced.

Good? Bad? Neutral?

Also, expect a mass chapter dump soon1

It can work. Most sci fi carriers tend to borrow the exciting bit from real carriers, namely the dramatic launches. But you don't really need that, it can be an advantage if you want to get your craft accelerated to combat speeds or throw them out fast as alert fighters, but most of the time its just to look cool

A big flat top like this is probably a good idea because its basically a mobile forward operating base. On a real carrier you devote so much space to cats and traps you have very little space to actually stage aircraft like a ground base does. Here though you can, you can treat your fighters like helicopters, they only need enough space to sit in.

You can see it in the picture, you have a shuttle looking thing about to take off backwards off the stern which is very nifty, so I'd say use it that way Not like a naval vessel but a mobile base where you can stage and launch mass strikes but also host large numbers of troops, supplies, command staff, intel guys. It's your own little Bagram airbase and FOB that you can park wherever freedom is required

That said it would be best to put it in a position where it rarely sees battle, very valuable asset. If you need a front line unit the Atlas is solid, or an Avenger from B5 which is just a metal box with engines. Something like the picture though, definitely a good choice as the hub of your future fleet. Solves all your support and logistic questions

 

[Knowledgeispower]

It can work. Most sci fi carriers tend to borrow the exciting bit from real carriers, namely the dramatic launches. But you don't really need that, it can be an advantage if you want to get your craft accelerated to combat speeds or throw them out fast as alert fighters, but most of the time its just to look cool

A big flat top like this is probably a good idea because its basically a mobile forward operating base. On a real carrier you devote so much space to cats and traps you have very little space to actually stage aircraft like a ground base does. Here though you can, you can treat your fighters like helicopters, they only need enough space to sit in.

You can see it in the picture, you have a shuttle looking thing about to take off backwards off the stern which is very nifty, so I'd say use it that way Not like a naval vessel but a mobile base where you can stage and launch mass strikes but also host large numbers of troops, supplies, command staff, intel guys. It's your own little Bagram airbase and FOB that you can park wherever freedom is required

That said it would be best to put it in a position where it rarely sees battle, very valuable asset. If you need a front line unit the Atlas is solid, or an Avenger from B5 which is just a metal box with engines. Something like the picture though, definitely a good choice as the hub of your future fleet. Solves all your support and logistic questions

Of course such a design relies on the fancy force fields always working and being on or that big ass deck is a lot harder to use

 

[Harlock]

Probably. You could get away using spacesuits I reckon as the delicate stuff like repairs and maintenance would be handled in the hanger, but you'd be talking current generation suits not those huge 70s style outfits
At least thats how the chaps on SBY handle it with their flattops

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

It can work. Most sci fi carriers tend to borrow the exciting bit from real carriers, namely the dramatic launches. But you don't really need that, it can be an advantage if you want to get your craft accelerated to combat speeds or throw them out fast as alert fighters, but most of the time its just to look cool

A big flat top like this is probably a good idea because its basically a mobile forward operating base. On a real carrier you devote so much space to cats and traps you have very little space to actually stage aircraft like a ground base does. Here though you can, you can treat your fighters like helicopters, they only need enough space to sit in.

You can see it in the picture, you have a shuttle looking thing about to take off backwards off the stern which is very nifty, so I'd say use it that way Not like a naval vessel but a mobile base where you can stage and launch mass strikes but also host large numbers of troops, supplies, command staff, intel guys. It's your own little Bagram airbase and FOB that you can park wherever freedom is required

Yeah! That's what I was thinking, that they would design their carrier to work both as a carrier and as sort of a mobile drydock as they could do that if they could combine the Constellations prefab units with Goa'uld tech. Have decent enough machine shops and med bays to work the way the High Guard ships in Andromeda could work.

For as long as they needed to so long as they fuel and raw materials. @Knowledgeispower . Has inspired me a lot here.

Hilariously its also Snake doctrine which will make Jack twitch a little.

That said it would be best to put it in a position where it rarely sees battle, very valuable asset. If you need a front line unit the Atlas is solid, or an Avenger from B5 which is just a metal box with engines. Something like the picture though, definitely a good choice as the hub of your future fleet. Solves all your support and logistic questions

Yes! A command ship protected by hunter killer drones and missile ships is what I was thinking? Plus have a combined modern and WW2 style fleet with the Macross/Starblazers battleships.

And something that looks like the Deadalus only those large wings won't disgorge fighters but fire hundreds of Nukes at anything that moves.

Probably. You could get away using spacesuits I reckon as the delicate stuff like repairs and maintenance would be handled in the hanger, but you'd be talking current generation suits not those huge 70s style outfits
At least thats how the chaps on SBY handle it with their flattops

Current generation by Project Constellations standards.

The Space Force may only be 30 years old, but these guys have been toiling in secret since the days of project blue book and Ike!

They may have more Galactica like space suits or something better even.

That reminds me, after this episode comes my version of Emancipation which hopefully won't be cringe worthy like the original.

And then I was thinking of doing an episode where they either find Caprica and the NSBG ruins and run into Amaterasu's Shinesengumi themed Jaffa.

Or something of a tribute to a major plot point of the animated show Invasion America or leave that for the season Finale and do Hathor's episode after that.

What do you guys think?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Like the flat top idea...sorta...I'm a big fan of having the flight NOT be exposed to hard vacuum. It'll make work a lot harder and much more dangerous. Can set it up so that there's a box hanger for each fighter/craft. Helps ensure that each craft is able to be worked on as necessary, and you can vacuum check them individually without having to depressurize the entire flight deck. Takes more work, but also each hanger better protected from combat damage/loss of pressure.

EDIT to add

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Like the flat top idea...sorta...I'm a big fan of having the flight NOT be exposed to hard vacuum. It'll make work a lot harder and much more dangerous. Can set it up so that there's a box hanger for each fighter/craft. Helps ensure that each craft is able to be worked on as necessary, and you can vacuum check them individually without having to depressurize the entire flight deck. Takes more work, but also each hanger better protected from combat damage/loss of pressure.

I like that idea! Would they be able to launch multiple fighters from those hangars?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I like that idea! Would they be able to launch multiple fighters from those hangars?

Depends entirely on design. I added pics above to illustrate my inspiration.

Maybe operate the bays as flights of 2 or squadrons of 4/6 if you want to setup a larger capacity b/c of space limitations and/or funds.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I see what you mean, I like the idea. I may use it. Thanks man!

 

[Knowledgeispower]

On another note if I had to recommend designs for the classic ships with lots of guns I'd either recommend the Minotaur or Hercules from BSG Deadlock or alternatively have someone look at the Nova class from B5 and say....I wonder if we can build that

 

[Knowledgeispower]

I see what you mean, I like the idea. I may use it. Thanks man!

I will note a LAC is huge by aircraft standards. And I do mean that

 

[Spartan303]

I see what you mean, I like the idea. I may use it. Thanks man!

I do want to see the Daedalus class eventually. It's Iconic and totally Stargate.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I do want to see the Daedalus class eventually. It's Iconic and totally Stargate.

Oh you will.

And her job will be to throw Naquadah enhanced cold war era city killers at the enemy until the enemy is reduced to burning molecules with PTSD.

That I promise!

I will note a LAC is huge by aircraft standards. And I do mean that

Yeah that thing looks like a monster.

The Yorktown may not be as big but she will be bad!

 

[Knowledgeispower]

I do want to see the Daedalus class eventually. It's Iconic and totally Stargate.

same here, the difference is that I imagine even using the correct VFX scaling(and not the 225 meter one where the 302s couldn't possibly fit) they'll be at most the light cruisers of the fleet.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm not sure what the proper size of the Daedalus class would be? In my mind I see them as "Fuck everything in that general direction" ships, basically engines with guns, shields and missile launchers. Aesthetically they'd look the same and be the "airforce" part of the Space force Navy's branch and very much Landry's creation.

But would be the right size for a ship like that?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Their battleship class, I was thinking 600-800 meters, with a mix of energy weaponry, rail guns and nuclear pump lasers or particle beam weapons.

What do you guys think?

Spoiler: Probably irrelevant aside, unless you care about fancasting.

I used to do a post with a Dramatis Personae, the actors and actresses that closest resemble the looks of the characters I'm writing. But then I realize, Teal'c is like..7'5 feet tall, his wife is copper skinned with green hair and Horus looks like the Ultimate Warrior if he was 8 feet tall

So I kinda can't do that here.

Hammond I picture looking like Telly Savalas though, he had that right mix of the "father to his men and quiet strength" that Don Davis had and the warrior chief that my Hammond is.

O'Neill and Jackson got their 94 looks..I can't really picture O'Neill as anyone but Kurt Russel TBH...though Anderson remains the GOAT.

Carter - Chloe Moretz, Apophis I could see as Michael Jai White but bald etc...

I envision Hathor as being a 6 and a half foot Adriana Lima. Doc Fraser Linda Cardellini, Carolyn Lahm Chloe Bennet and Hank Landry I just pictured the dude who played Stannis as a nerd and that was that.

And then for the 302 equivalents, do you think they'd have rail guns or some kind of laser weaponry or both?

 

[Knowledgeispower]

I'm not sure what the proper size of the Daedalus class would be? In my mind I see them as "Fuck everything in that general direction" ships, basically engines with guns, shields and missile launchers. Aesthetically they'd look the same and be the "airforce" part of the Space force Navy's branch and very much Landry's creation.

But would be the right size for a ship like that?

the correct VFX scale of the Deadalus class is like 700 meters
link for the how the scales look here

BC304 Daedalus Class Scale Check by Spinobreaker on DeviantArt

www.deviantart.com

 

[Spartan303]

I'm not sure what the proper size of the Daedalus class would be? In my mind I see them as "Fuck everything in that general direction" ships, basically engines with guns, shields and missile launchers. Aesthetically they'd look the same and be the "airforce" part of the Space force Navy's branch and very much Landry's creation.

But would be the right size for a ship like that?

They finally fixed her size between 680 meters to some 720. She's big. Give her some Andromeda missiles, some secondary Hellbores and infinite repeater batteries and top it off witj Asgard Plasma Beams and she's perfect.