VicSage
Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
I could have sworn she had been an adult during all that time. Do they just not consider you a full adult until you've taken your first host? Is Amunet the 5000 year old
Stargate Through the Looking Glass and into Heaven.
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Harlock
I should have expected that really
I think it comes across that way, these Goa'uld are a lot more intelligent and savvy than the show version which justifies how they see the Asgard. Viewed as dangerous but not pants pissingly awesome.
Be nice to see them get a better resolution, the way the show did it was utterly retarded
45 years old, basically Goa'uld that are of the "Peer" sub-species take a long longer to mature. The strongest of them stop aging entirely once they mature. Plus she wasn't in a host as you noted they don't consider you a grown ass man/woman until you can talk through a person suit.
So yeah Amunet was pulling all of the assassinations and other craziness while still inside Shaun'ac and Apophis was technically thirsting on and grooming a child. An incredibly vicious and sociopathic child.
But a child none the less.
Their relationship will be a lot more complex and hopefully interesting. It'll mirror the relationship they'll form with the SGC to a degree.
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Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
So basically Apophis went full pedo in his old age? And the other Systems Lords let him stay in power? Welp that's reason #1064 as to why Goa'uld delenda est should be Earth's long term goal
As per the SG movie chapters, Ra was far more offended that Apophis would date a peer who was half low born street Goa'uld. He was so mad that he gossiped with Sekhet like an old lady and called Apophis out for his degeneracy!
"Look, you can groom your thirteen year old larval girl...BUT FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS I DECREE HOLY SHE BETTER NOT BE MIXED RACE!"....Says the dude who cheated on his wife a planet full of catgirls.
Priorities man
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
......that just makes it worse by a order of magnitude
July 16th: Cheyenne Mountain Complex
Aannnd speaking of the Asgard.
Teal'c sheds some light on them and the technology they possess...Everyone has gotten their party on and we inch to a conclusion to this episode.
Next up Yu the Golden and Teal'c profiling the Gods!
July 16th: Cheyenne Mountain Complex
“Tell us about the Asgard, you’ve alluded to them before but haven’t gone into detail?” Hammond asked the question, the hours were wearing thin now and everyone was ready to complete the briefing, wrapping it up for the day. Others seemed rivetted to everything Teal’c was saying, either way Federal Law and even formalities had eroded by this point and Teal’c the SEAL from Texas had fostered a far more relaxed atmosphere. Perhaps it was just that he and Ellis were two cold war relics who invoke “old school rules” or the fact that the subject of their briefing was a nearly two-hundred-year-old soldier who had been doing his people’s version of their job as a one man show for longer than any of them had been alive. It was easy to revert back to being just boys in uniform when face to face with the kind of men whose characters drove them to enlist in the first place.
Hayes and O’Neill didn’t make it any easier either, both were basically delinquents who drew Federal Paychecks, but it was hard not to let oneself go. The four cases of Blanton’s Bourbon and two cases of Dalmore (and Cigars) Hayes revealed that he had the Secret Service detail assigned to him mule in was also probably why everyone was currently jackets off, sleeves rolled up, speech slurred and the room looked like the interior of a well-used chimney. It might also have been why everyone wanted to wrap up, most of the Generals and Admirals present wanted to at least retain the dignity of not being carried out by their men when the affair was over.
“The Asgard” Teal’c began, his features obscured by smoke and lighting, casting the visage of a campfire storyteller rather than an intelligence source giving a clinical summation. “Are a very ancient race, one of the four oldest in the known universe if I am recalling correctly my schooling.” And he didn’t have to struggle much, in his youth Teal’c had loved attending classes with Prime Husnok, the old master of the Dakkara academy’s “History and lore” school. Husnok was one of the oldest Jaffa Teal’c had ever seen, some said he was over five hundred years old, Teal’c never asked. But he was indeed ancient, so ancient he was the only Jaffa Teal’c had ever seen with a slightly bent back. He was bald, with scars on his head (and most of his body) and an immense snow colored beard that was immaculately groomed and plated. He also had more abdominal muscles than Teal’c and even after old age had atrophied them biceps that were as large as his were now.
One did not speak out of term in Husnok’s class, if one did not wish to have to spend the weekend regenerating a pulverized jaw. But his lecture style was fascinating, and he knew a great deal about the Asgard.
“One of these four great races?” Ellis asked, gently nudging Doctor Fraser awake beside him.
“Indeed, they were older than the great division of the Ancients into Ori, Lanteans and Alterans. But not older than the Nox. Though I do not know if they were three distinct sentient species that evolved on the same planet or had formed a united culture after encountering each other. Or if they were offshoots of a parent race. The distinction seems to have been lost over the millions of years.”
“At that length of time does the distinction even matter?” Someone slurred out, probably one of Kensey’s cronies and Maybourne wanted to throttle them. Distinctions always mattered in diplomacy, even when they didn’t, especially when they didn’t.
Continuing Teal’c begged pardon because the sheer immensity of the timescale of their civilization meant he was likely going to be repeating Asgardian myth or assumptions and fairy tales made by their enemies or subjects and couldn’t be sure even from an academic stand point.
Jackson immediately sobered up and his eyes were locked on Teal’c. “The Asgard were once humanoid, massive in size and pale gray and blue skinned. They were mighty warrior poets who brought civilization to their far-off corner of the universe. We are unsure of why they became diminutive grey skinned creatures, but they have engineered themselves greatly over the eons. Set and Amaterasu believe they degenerated genetically due to mongrelizing with different species, but it is hard to tell if that is prejudice or not. They were divided into three Kingdoms as I have said. The Empire of the Aesir, the Kingdom of the Vanir and Confederacy of the Jotunn. Though all acknowledged Odin, the lord of the Aesir as their high King..As Ra was acknowledged as such by most of the known universe.”
“Fascinating.” Jackson muttered
“Doctor Jackson do you think the Viking culture is evidence of your “cultural copycat theory?” This from the Vice President.
“Or outright contact, I mean, Egyptian mythology and the imperial Religion are similar on the surface but incredibly disparate below that surface to where its clear the Ancient Egyptians were just copying scrolls they could barely understand and replicating engineering they didn’t quite know and then their adaptations took on a life of their own. But Jotunn’s and Vanir? That seems far closer to the source than with Egypt.” Taking off his glasses Jackson turned and offered an apologetic smile to Teal’c. “Sorry, it’s just..There are several cultures in our past that believed in a version of these Asgardians as gods. The two most prominent being warrior societies, the Saxons and the Norsemen…umm Vikings.”
Teal’c hadn’t been given much literature on them, but he nodded not wanting to risk Jackson derailing the entire briefing with one of his admittedly amusing sidetracks on history and language. “It would not surprise me, in the early days of the conquest of your kind it wasn’t uncommon for Lotar to escape and congregate on worlds outside imperial borders. The Asgardians established a zone of protected planets that the Empire is prohibited from penetrating under pain of all-out war.” War with an enemy that could appear and disappear at will and was the only one out of the four ancients that had the sheer will to try and fight the Gods to the bitter end. In imperial mythology the Asgard were portrayed as incredibly formidable, good natured warriors that would fight until their very being shattered if the cause was just. The narrative had always been that Ra sought to make with them a great friendship, yet they stubbornly continued to fight. In the fables, there was none of the hatred for the Ori or contempt for the Fyryns or outright weariness of the Nox. The Asgard were to be respected, lamented and opposed, fought but always respected.
-A worthy enemy, one that we could not ever truly defeat, nor could they defeat us- Teal’c recalled what Prince Horus once said at a banquet.
“So, the Empire and the Asgardians are enemies?”
“Indeed, the Asgard intervened militarily in the early days of the rebellion against the Ori. Apophis went behind enemy lines and destroyed an Ori hermitage that had massacred all of its Goa’uld rather than face the potential for rebellion.” He paused to take a sip of alcohol then continued, correcting himself in that the Goa’uld had no intention of rebelling. So moved were they by the Ori’s fate that they sought communion, but the Ori massacred them any way or, so it was believed. That had been the turning point in the war, when it became a holy crusade and a war of vengeance as much as liberation, that and the murder of Ra’s parents ensured there was never going to be peace with the Ori and their allies. Not then any way.
“Freya the wife of their High King Odin was on that world, attempting to prevent the massacre of the Goa’uld. Apophis killed everyone without any discrimination, not realizing that she had been present until well after the deed was done. The Asgard, who had no love for the Ori but were allies due to ancient cause. They swore revenge and involved themselves fully in the war. A war that then lasted almost seventy thousand years.”
The table grew quiet at that, everyone knew the sheer size of the Empire and knew they were a powerful military but to be building your civilization and fighting for your life and to flourish after?
“I see, are they allies to the Empire now?” Admiral Ellis asked, his voice a smooth cascade through the room.
“Not allies, the Asgard are incredibly advanced. In the darkest part of the war with the Asgard, after the Ori were vanquished as a military threat..Things grew dire, the Asgard possess a type of Faster than Light travel that allows for almost instant travel between any two points in space.”
“Impossible!” Samuels growled, sneering at Sandra O’Neill who straightened her uniform out and tried to hide the fact that she was glaring at the man. “Instant FTL violates everything we know about physics.”
“Jaffa children in their first year of education are more well educated in what you call physics than your worlds foremost expert. I was a terrible student when it came to how our technology works, and I am quite certain I have forgotten more than your entire planet has discovered. I have witnessed firsthand Vanir science vessels bend the very fabric of reality to repair a dying star. I have seen Asgardian ambassadors exist in two places at once, I’ve seen the ruins of Chulak’s ninth moon where Asgardians deployed temporal weaponry in a desperate attempt to stop Apophis and I’ve seen the devastation that responded from our counterattack. Do not tell me that which is possible, and which is not Earth man. You know nothing!” Teal’cs tone was iron, and Samuels was quickly silenced.
The silence caused O’Neill to laugh. “Nice one big guy! Though really more than we know.”
“The Demoness impresses me” Teal’c conceded, the demoness being Doctor Samantha Carter.
“Doc Carter’ll do that…HEY WAIT A MINUTE!” O’Neill paused, his brain finally catching up on what Teal’c had said and why everyone stopped talking. “Temporal weapons?! As in..you fuckers weaponized time?!”
“The technology to create and defend against such attacks exists, but no civilized race in their right mind would ever willingly utilize time travel in a tactical or strategic manner in war. It is banned by cosmic treaty all of the great powers of the universe have signed. It is why the Jotunns gradually faded into extinction, or obscurity. When they crossed that line against my former Lord…Even their own people withdrew aid.”
“What about time travel for educational purposes?” Jackson asked, trying to contain his excitement. The potential of going back in time and observing Caesar or the building of the pyramids, or the aqueducts or even seeing dinosaurs.
“Punishable by death and very often the planet who engages in the deed is bombarded back to a primitive state. Since all the advanced races can defend against temporal incursion and it is a technology we give freely to a race once it reaches a certain threshold even if it is potentially hostile.” Teal’c spoke his tone of voice on edge. As with O’Neill the Jaffa warrior detested time travel of time foolishness or any sort.
“Then everyone has counter measures and there’s no real advantage to it, unless you were using to destabilize more primitive species.” Hayes continued for Teal’c.
“And you never know what the collateral from that could be. Sort of like what happened with the herbicides in Vietnam” an air force General who’d arrived after lunch muttered bitterly.
Teal’c nodded, enthusiastically “Or the fallout damage from Chernobyl from what I have read of your world. Whether done deliberately or by accident the damage done and the effort to repair it after the fact make it an unwanted affair.”
“So, we don’t have to worry about that then?” Maybourne asked.
Teal’c flashed him a look that seemed to suggest Maybourne needed to be reassess the threat his own species posed. “No.”
“Is there a state of active hostility in existence between your kind now?” Hayes asked bringing this back on topic for the fiftieth time.
“The Vanir are known to do business with Ba’al and it is not uncommon for Heimdal to appear at grand banquets at Dakkara. There was never any formal peace treaty, nor armistice. Hostilities merely deescalated and we seem to be more at what your kind would call a cold war.” Teal’c leaned back again and took a breath, the smells and tastes on this world were amazing. -The Tau’Ri sit upon the means to make themselves as wealthy Ba’al himself and they do not realize it yet. What a marvelous world our ancestral home is.-
“But apart from diplomatic appearances, the Aesir do not involve themselves much in our affairs except to enforce the protected planets zones and to guard their interests in the Andromeda Galaxy. They have a dozen colonies there which are close to the stellar systems Lord Apophis rules.” A cold war that Apophis wanton violence could spark hot at any moment, another reason he had to defect. “It is my belief that no one has seen anything of the Jotunns in twelve thousand years.”
“Do you think the Empire could defeat them in a protracted war? And do you think they would be willing to make an alliance with us?” Hayes moved, delicately with these questions. What he’d heard about these guys interested him, Teal’c spoke of them honestly and there was an undercurrent of honor and respect that he appreciated. -Funny how I’ve come to trust his assessment more than I trust a room full of intelligence officers and we’ve only known each other for a few weeks.- Good men were hard to find, trustworthy ones even harder to come by.
“With the Vanir, yes, with the Aesir no. I believe we would lose that war, but I would imagine the cost of the war may be more then the Aesir could bear. Neither of us wish for conflict, in truth I suspect many of the older System Lords hold a great deal of respect for Prince Thor and Yarl Heimdal, perhaps fondness even. A war with a detestable enemy is far easier is it not? As for alliances? It would depend on the manner in which you approach them, they are a very sophisticated people, but they are at their heart warriors, not soldiers. Honor and reputation are of immense value in their society. I would not come to them as beggars for you are not as primitive as to warrant their charity, nor advanced enough to merit their attention or accord without first earning both.”
“Well, that sounds like the ideal ally!” Hayes grinned optimistically.
“Indeed” Teal’c said, not failing to notice what Jack and Shepherd pointed out earlier. That Director Statterfield, like Doctor Carter was oddly silent during any discussion of the Asgard.
Teal'c sheds some light on them and the technology they possess...Everyone has gotten their party on and we inch to a conclusion to this episode.
Next up Yu the Golden and Teal'c profiling the Gods!
July 16th: Cheyenne Mountain Complex
“Tell us about the Asgard, you’ve alluded to them before but haven’t gone into detail?” Hammond asked the question, the hours were wearing thin now and everyone was ready to complete the briefing, wrapping it up for the day. Others seemed rivetted to everything Teal’c was saying, either way Federal Law and even formalities had eroded by this point and Teal’c the SEAL from Texas had fostered a far more relaxed atmosphere. Perhaps it was just that he and Ellis were two cold war relics who invoke “old school rules” or the fact that the subject of their briefing was a nearly two-hundred-year-old soldier who had been doing his people’s version of their job as a one man show for longer than any of them had been alive. It was easy to revert back to being just boys in uniform when face to face with the kind of men whose characters drove them to enlist in the first place.
Hayes and O’Neill didn’t make it any easier either, both were basically delinquents who drew Federal Paychecks, but it was hard not to let oneself go. The four cases of Blanton’s Bourbon and two cases of Dalmore (and Cigars) Hayes revealed that he had the Secret Service detail assigned to him mule in was also probably why everyone was currently jackets off, sleeves rolled up, speech slurred and the room looked like the interior of a well-used chimney. It might also have been why everyone wanted to wrap up, most of the Generals and Admirals present wanted to at least retain the dignity of not being carried out by their men when the affair was over.
“The Asgard” Teal’c began, his features obscured by smoke and lighting, casting the visage of a campfire storyteller rather than an intelligence source giving a clinical summation. “Are a very ancient race, one of the four oldest in the known universe if I am recalling correctly my schooling.” And he didn’t have to struggle much, in his youth Teal’c had loved attending classes with Prime Husnok, the old master of the Dakkara academy’s “History and lore” school. Husnok was one of the oldest Jaffa Teal’c had ever seen, some said he was over five hundred years old, Teal’c never asked. But he was indeed ancient, so ancient he was the only Jaffa Teal’c had ever seen with a slightly bent back. He was bald, with scars on his head (and most of his body) and an immense snow colored beard that was immaculately groomed and plated. He also had more abdominal muscles than Teal’c and even after old age had atrophied them biceps that were as large as his were now.
One did not speak out of term in Husnok’s class, if one did not wish to have to spend the weekend regenerating a pulverized jaw. But his lecture style was fascinating, and he knew a great deal about the Asgard.
“One of these four great races?” Ellis asked, gently nudging Doctor Fraser awake beside him.
“Indeed, they were older than the great division of the Ancients into Ori, Lanteans and Alterans. But not older than the Nox. Though I do not know if they were three distinct sentient species that evolved on the same planet or had formed a united culture after encountering each other. Or if they were offshoots of a parent race. The distinction seems to have been lost over the millions of years.”
“At that length of time does the distinction even matter?” Someone slurred out, probably one of Kensey’s cronies and Maybourne wanted to throttle them. Distinctions always mattered in diplomacy, even when they didn’t, especially when they didn’t.
Continuing Teal’c begged pardon because the sheer immensity of the timescale of their civilization meant he was likely going to be repeating Asgardian myth or assumptions and fairy tales made by their enemies or subjects and couldn’t be sure even from an academic stand point.
Jackson immediately sobered up and his eyes were locked on Teal’c. “The Asgard were once humanoid, massive in size and pale gray and blue skinned. They were mighty warrior poets who brought civilization to their far-off corner of the universe. We are unsure of why they became diminutive grey skinned creatures, but they have engineered themselves greatly over the eons. Set and Amaterasu believe they degenerated genetically due to mongrelizing with different species, but it is hard to tell if that is prejudice or not. They were divided into three Kingdoms as I have said. The Empire of the Aesir, the Kingdom of the Vanir and Confederacy of the Jotunn. Though all acknowledged Odin, the lord of the Aesir as their high King..As Ra was acknowledged as such by most of the known universe.”
“Fascinating.” Jackson muttered
“Doctor Jackson do you think the Viking culture is evidence of your “cultural copycat theory?” This from the Vice President.
“Or outright contact, I mean, Egyptian mythology and the imperial Religion are similar on the surface but incredibly disparate below that surface to where its clear the Ancient Egyptians were just copying scrolls they could barely understand and replicating engineering they didn’t quite know and then their adaptations took on a life of their own. But Jotunn’s and Vanir? That seems far closer to the source than with Egypt.” Taking off his glasses Jackson turned and offered an apologetic smile to Teal’c. “Sorry, it’s just..There are several cultures in our past that believed in a version of these Asgardians as gods. The two most prominent being warrior societies, the Saxons and the Norsemen…umm Vikings.”
Teal’c hadn’t been given much literature on them, but he nodded not wanting to risk Jackson derailing the entire briefing with one of his admittedly amusing sidetracks on history and language. “It would not surprise me, in the early days of the conquest of your kind it wasn’t uncommon for Lotar to escape and congregate on worlds outside imperial borders. The Asgardians established a zone of protected planets that the Empire is prohibited from penetrating under pain of all-out war.” War with an enemy that could appear and disappear at will and was the only one out of the four ancients that had the sheer will to try and fight the Gods to the bitter end. In imperial mythology the Asgard were portrayed as incredibly formidable, good natured warriors that would fight until their very being shattered if the cause was just. The narrative had always been that Ra sought to make with them a great friendship, yet they stubbornly continued to fight. In the fables, there was none of the hatred for the Ori or contempt for the Fyryns or outright weariness of the Nox. The Asgard were to be respected, lamented and opposed, fought but always respected.
-A worthy enemy, one that we could not ever truly defeat, nor could they defeat us- Teal’c recalled what Prince Horus once said at a banquet.
“So, the Empire and the Asgardians are enemies?”
“Indeed, the Asgard intervened militarily in the early days of the rebellion against the Ori. Apophis went behind enemy lines and destroyed an Ori hermitage that had massacred all of its Goa’uld rather than face the potential for rebellion.” He paused to take a sip of alcohol then continued, correcting himself in that the Goa’uld had no intention of rebelling. So moved were they by the Ori’s fate that they sought communion, but the Ori massacred them any way or, so it was believed. That had been the turning point in the war, when it became a holy crusade and a war of vengeance as much as liberation, that and the murder of Ra’s parents ensured there was never going to be peace with the Ori and their allies. Not then any way.
“Freya the wife of their High King Odin was on that world, attempting to prevent the massacre of the Goa’uld. Apophis killed everyone without any discrimination, not realizing that she had been present until well after the deed was done. The Asgard, who had no love for the Ori but were allies due to ancient cause. They swore revenge and involved themselves fully in the war. A war that then lasted almost seventy thousand years.”
The table grew quiet at that, everyone knew the sheer size of the Empire and knew they were a powerful military but to be building your civilization and fighting for your life and to flourish after?
“I see, are they allies to the Empire now?” Admiral Ellis asked, his voice a smooth cascade through the room.
“Not allies, the Asgard are incredibly advanced. In the darkest part of the war with the Asgard, after the Ori were vanquished as a military threat..Things grew dire, the Asgard possess a type of Faster than Light travel that allows for almost instant travel between any two points in space.”
“Impossible!” Samuels growled, sneering at Sandra O’Neill who straightened her uniform out and tried to hide the fact that she was glaring at the man. “Instant FTL violates everything we know about physics.”
“Jaffa children in their first year of education are more well educated in what you call physics than your worlds foremost expert. I was a terrible student when it came to how our technology works, and I am quite certain I have forgotten more than your entire planet has discovered. I have witnessed firsthand Vanir science vessels bend the very fabric of reality to repair a dying star. I have seen Asgardian ambassadors exist in two places at once, I’ve seen the ruins of Chulak’s ninth moon where Asgardians deployed temporal weaponry in a desperate attempt to stop Apophis and I’ve seen the devastation that responded from our counterattack. Do not tell me that which is possible, and which is not Earth man. You know nothing!” Teal’cs tone was iron, and Samuels was quickly silenced.
The silence caused O’Neill to laugh. “Nice one big guy! Though really more than we know.”
“The Demoness impresses me” Teal’c conceded, the demoness being Doctor Samantha Carter.
“Doc Carter’ll do that…HEY WAIT A MINUTE!” O’Neill paused, his brain finally catching up on what Teal’c had said and why everyone stopped talking. “Temporal weapons?! As in..you fuckers weaponized time?!”
“The technology to create and defend against such attacks exists, but no civilized race in their right mind would ever willingly utilize time travel in a tactical or strategic manner in war. It is banned by cosmic treaty all of the great powers of the universe have signed. It is why the Jotunns gradually faded into extinction, or obscurity. When they crossed that line against my former Lord…Even their own people withdrew aid.”
“What about time travel for educational purposes?” Jackson asked, trying to contain his excitement. The potential of going back in time and observing Caesar or the building of the pyramids, or the aqueducts or even seeing dinosaurs.
“Punishable by death and very often the planet who engages in the deed is bombarded back to a primitive state. Since all the advanced races can defend against temporal incursion and it is a technology we give freely to a race once it reaches a certain threshold even if it is potentially hostile.” Teal’c spoke his tone of voice on edge. As with O’Neill the Jaffa warrior detested time travel of time foolishness or any sort.
“Then everyone has counter measures and there’s no real advantage to it, unless you were using to destabilize more primitive species.” Hayes continued for Teal’c.
“And you never know what the collateral from that could be. Sort of like what happened with the herbicides in Vietnam” an air force General who’d arrived after lunch muttered bitterly.
Teal’c nodded, enthusiastically “Or the fallout damage from Chernobyl from what I have read of your world. Whether done deliberately or by accident the damage done and the effort to repair it after the fact make it an unwanted affair.”
“So, we don’t have to worry about that then?” Maybourne asked.
Teal’c flashed him a look that seemed to suggest Maybourne needed to be reassess the threat his own species posed. “No.”
“Is there a state of active hostility in existence between your kind now?” Hayes asked bringing this back on topic for the fiftieth time.
“The Vanir are known to do business with Ba’al and it is not uncommon for Heimdal to appear at grand banquets at Dakkara. There was never any formal peace treaty, nor armistice. Hostilities merely deescalated and we seem to be more at what your kind would call a cold war.” Teal’c leaned back again and took a breath, the smells and tastes on this world were amazing. -The Tau’Ri sit upon the means to make themselves as wealthy Ba’al himself and they do not realize it yet. What a marvelous world our ancestral home is.-
“But apart from diplomatic appearances, the Aesir do not involve themselves much in our affairs except to enforce the protected planets zones and to guard their interests in the Andromeda Galaxy. They have a dozen colonies there which are close to the stellar systems Lord Apophis rules.” A cold war that Apophis wanton violence could spark hot at any moment, another reason he had to defect. “It is my belief that no one has seen anything of the Jotunns in twelve thousand years.”
“Do you think the Empire could defeat them in a protracted war? And do you think they would be willing to make an alliance with us?” Hayes moved, delicately with these questions. What he’d heard about these guys interested him, Teal’c spoke of them honestly and there was an undercurrent of honor and respect that he appreciated. -Funny how I’ve come to trust his assessment more than I trust a room full of intelligence officers and we’ve only known each other for a few weeks.- Good men were hard to find, trustworthy ones even harder to come by.
“With the Vanir, yes, with the Aesir no. I believe we would lose that war, but I would imagine the cost of the war may be more then the Aesir could bear. Neither of us wish for conflict, in truth I suspect many of the older System Lords hold a great deal of respect for Prince Thor and Yarl Heimdal, perhaps fondness even. A war with a detestable enemy is far easier is it not? As for alliances? It would depend on the manner in which you approach them, they are a very sophisticated people, but they are at their heart warriors, not soldiers. Honor and reputation are of immense value in their society. I would not come to them as beggars for you are not as primitive as to warrant their charity, nor advanced enough to merit their attention or accord without first earning both.”
“Well, that sounds like the ideal ally!” Hayes grinned optimistically.
“Indeed” Teal’c said, not failing to notice what Jack and Shepherd pointed out earlier. That Director Statterfield, like Doctor Carter was oddly silent during any discussion of the Asgard.
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Of course it does!
Ra was a prick after all..A brilliant statesmen and visionary civilization builder, but still one of the biggest divas and jackasses of all creation.
Edit- worst part is that a lot of the System Lords will look at Klorell and argue Ra was justified for his whack ass priorities.
@Bear Ribs. And @StormEagle. Action is coming up in the next two weeks. In case you've been bored by the world bundling and the intrigue.
Ep 3 is gonna be a brawl! And an acid trip.
Ep 3 is gonna be a brawl! And an acid trip.
VicSage
Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
No! No fighting! Only world building!
I'll admit to being surprised that no one allows for looking at their own past for historical purposes. If relations had cooled maybe they'd have a temporal council with observers from each race to ensure no one did anything untowards, but I guess the changes that can occur from a slightly moved hydrogen atom a few million years ago would stack quickly.
This is the kind of Chekov's gun that I have zero clue what it is pointed at. Doctor Carter of all people should be extremely interested in a people who casually topple any notions she has of physics.
Apophis is a pro Smash player isn't he?
I've seen this episode before.
I'll admit to being surprised that no one allows for looking at their own past for historical purposes. If relations had cooled maybe they'd have a temporal council with observers from each race to ensure no one did anything untowards, but I guess the changes that can occur from a slightly moved hydrogen atom a few million years ago would stack quickly.
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
So I guess the canon operation to steal a ZPM from the past is a no go then. Well unless the canon team's actions has created a paradox where a SG-1 always went back.
The Moebius episodes won't take place.
As for ZPMs, Atlantis is a fusion of all the tech of the four great races and their offshoots. It'll need a great deal more than three ZPMs to power that gas dragon.
It do be kinda weird that she and the NID leader get all shifty eyed whenever the Asgardians come up.
Yes!
I've seen this episode before.
Oh this is amazing!
It's a mix of shame and fear that one group or another would be far too tempted to "correct" prior mistakes.
In the case of the Goa'uld they have living fossils with primitive cultures they can study. They mercilessly oppress them as Teal'c noted
Theyre still being ruled by the second generation of peers by and large. So examining their past is a bit of a moot point.
They know how they got there and that is also a sore spot.
Note too that Teal'c doesn't compare what the Asgars do to the Stargate.
Otherwise he would just call it a wormhole drive or something.
Otherwise he would just call it a wormhole drive or something.
VicSage
Carpenter, Cobbler, Chirugeon, Dataminer.
9001 hours in MS paint.
And that is why you ask the girl you wanted to take to the malt shop out the first time. The 50's only happens once, make the most of it.
fascinating to learn more on the Asgard. I like the idea the old Asgard were striding around like legends downing ale and punching each other
Makes the sci fi version of this believable
There's that living mural on Chulak that depicts Apophis in an Unas getting into a sword fight with Thor who wasn't a grey yet.
It's not all that inaccurate. Before they had to regress into yet another form to survive the Asgard were the toughest bastards in the cosmos.
"Lo they do call to me! In Valhalla where the brave may live forever!" Was probably something Odin chanted as he charged Ra on the burning bridge of the mesektet.
And ten thousand years later the Tau'ri lit one hell of a funeral pyre!
One of your possible arcs should be Jack & Co. (tm) 😛 helping the Asgard get their 'muscle shirts' on!
Side Note: my auto correct wants to keep turning Asgard into "As hard." It makes me laugh every time, but I'm not quite sure what that says.
Side Note: my auto correct wants to keep turning Asgard into "As hard." It makes me laugh every time, but I'm not quite sure what that says.
Oh the SGC will certainly help them get their MOJO back!
Unending ain't gonna end with the Asgard committing suicide to take out flying toilets.
Well, I was gonna conclude this episode tonight but my stomach decided to larp like it had dysentery.
So when I'm a not a feverish ruin I'll try and type again!
So when I'm a not a feverish ruin I'll try and type again!