The War in Afghanistan

[Arch Dornan]

"Partnership". There was a story on that. Its the same kind of "partnership" Danes had with the English during early medieval era
"Gib money or else your vassals will get hurt while you are busy" kind of partnership.

Alright the ruble money can go toward them for their extortion share.

 

[Marduk]

Alright the ruble money can go toward them for their extortion share.

The Taliban are not this stupid, that's why they asked for goods and USD

 

[Arch Dornan]

The Taliban are not this stupid, that's why they asked for goods and USD

Goods is good. USD I'm unsure of but everyone takes bets on the economy.

 

[WolfBear]

What does America want? The Taliban would like to know

Should the U.S. use regional economic projects as a way to start working with the Taliban?

thehill.com

Afghanistan’s Warlords Prepare Comeback to Challenge Taliban

archived 14 Jun 2022 19:13:31 UTC

archive.ph

 

[Marduk]

What does America want? The Taliban would like to know

Should the U.S. use regional economic projects as a way to start working with the Taliban?

thehill.com

Afghanistan’s Warlords Prepare Comeback to Challenge Taliban

archived 14 Jun 2022 19:13:31 UTC

archive.ph

Why rush to let a far away failed state be your burden, when it could be your enemy's burden?

Afghanistan’s Hungry Will Pay the Price for Putin’s War

The knock-on effects of Russia’s war on Ukraine are hammering wheat-dependent countries such as Afghanistan.

foreignpolicy.com

Hostilities Grow Between Taliban And Tajikistan Amid Border Closure, Truck Seizures

The already tense relations between Afghanistan's Taliban authorities and neighboring Tajikistan have worsened in recent weeks. In the latest incident to test the countries' relations, the Taliban closed the border with Tajikistan and seized dozens of Tajik trucks transporting goods to Afghanistan.

gandhara.rferl.org

 

[WolfBear]

Why rush to let a far away failed state be your burden, when it could be your enemy's burden?

Afghanistan’s Hungry Will Pay the Price for Putin’s War

The knock-on effects of Russia’s war on Ukraine are hammering wheat-dependent countries such as Afghanistan.

foreignpolicy.com

Hostilities Grow Between Taliban And Tajikistan Amid Border Closure, Truck Seizures

The already tense relations between Afghanistan's Taliban authorities and neighboring Tajikistan have worsened in recent weeks. In the latest incident to test the countries' relations, the Taliban closed the border with Tajikistan and seized dozens of Tajik trucks transporting goods to Afghanistan.

gandhara.rferl.org

Agreed. The one thing that I am potentially interested in, however, is helping Afghans settle in the West just so long as they are actually culturally compatible with the West. Joe Biden appears to have a similar approach:

Biden asks Congress to help provide Afghan refugees a pathway to become US residents | CNN Politics

President Joe Biden has asked Congress to provide tens of thousands of Afghan refugees with a pathway to become legal permanent residents of the United States, according to a proposal included in the supplemental budget request he sent to lawmakers last week.

www.cnn.com

What I don't want, however, are the Afghan bad apples that Europe has been getting:

I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.

Afghans stand out among the refugees committing crimes in Austria and elsewhere. Why?

nationalinterest.org

Not all European Afghans are rapists, of course, but enough of them are to severely ruin things. Afghan rapists should be resettled somewhere where they fit more at home, such as in Pakistan.

 

[Marduk]

Agreed. The one thing that I am potentially interested in, however, is helping Afghans settle in the West just so long as they are actually culturally compatible with the West. Joe Biden appears to have a similar approach:

Again, why Afghans, why in the west?
The west notably has, politically and legally, very little in terms of means of actually determining if someone is "culturally compatible with the west", and ability to act in ways unpleasant to the person in question if the answer seems less than positive.
Meanwhile there is a massive money&comfort incentive for Afghans to bullshit anyone trying to do that.
Volunteering for a job one can't do properly is never a good idea.

Biden asks Congress to help provide Afghan refugees a pathway to become US residents | CNN Politics

President Joe Biden has asked Congress to provide tens of thousands of Afghan refugees with a pathway to become legal permanent residents of the United States, according to a proposal included in the supplemental budget request he sent to lawmakers last week.

www.cnn.com

What I don't want, however, are the Afghan bad apples that Europe has been getting:

I've Worked with Refugees for Decades. Europe's Afghan Crime Wave Is Mind-Boggling.

Afghans stand out among the refugees committing crimes in Austria and elsewhere. Why?

nationalinterest.org

Not all European Afghans are rapists, of course, but enough of them are to severely ruin things. Afghan rapists should be resettled somewhere where they fit more at home, such as in Pakistan.

Or just stay put where they are. Their country sucks? Well, who's supposed to fix it, and why not them. After all, its not the land that's the most notably troublesome aspect of Afghanistan that makes it suck so much. Its the people and what they tend to busy themselves with.

 

[WolfBear]

Again, why Afghans, why in the west?
The west notably has, politically and legally, very little in terms of means of actually determining if someone is "culturally compatible with the west", and ability to act in ways unpleasant to the person in question if the answer seems less than positive.,
Meanwhile there is a massive money&comfort incentive for Afghans to bullshit anyone trying to do that.
Volunteering for a job one can't do properly is never a good idea.


Or just stay put where they are. Their country sucks? Well, who's supposed to fix it, and why not them. After all, its not the land that's the most notably troublesome aspect of Afghanistan that makes it suck so much. Its the people and what they tend to busy themselves with.

Canada seems to do a pretty good job with this, no? As does Australia and New Zealand.

As for fixing their own countries, that's easier said than done. An Afghan feminist or LGBTQ+ rights activist might get beaten, jailed, and/or murdered for attempting to fix their own country, for instance. Just like someone in Russia who openly challenges Putin's regime might get murdered (Nemtsov) or poisoned (Navalny). Fixing one's own country isn't always easy.

 

[Marduk]

Canada seems to do a pretty good job with this, no? As does Australia and New Zealand.

Not really.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2020.1724423

Even culturally similar Pakistanis have massive problems even though their home country is less messed up:

The harsh reality of Pakistanis living in Canada

With more than half of the women of Pakistani origin not working, the struggle for economic parity remains elusive.

www.dawn.com

As for fixing their own countries, that's easier said than done. An Afghan feminist or LGBTQ+ rights activist might get beaten, jailed, and/or murdered for attempting to fix their own country, for instance. Just like someone in Russia who openly challenges Putin's regime might get murdered (Nemtsov) or poisoned (Navalny). Fixing one's own country isn't always easy.

That's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, women and alphabet soup are more of the end, than the beginning of Afghanistan being fucked up.
Even if they were treated equally to the rest of the incredibly corrupt, dysfunctional, drug ridden country, it would still be one hell of a failed state.

 

[WolfBear]

Not really.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2020.1724423

Even culturally similar Pakistanis have massive problems even though their home country is less messed up:

The harsh reality of Pakistanis living in Canada

With more than half of the women of Pakistani origin not working, the struggle for economic parity remains elusive.

www.dawn.com

That's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, women and alphabet soup are more of the end, than the beginning of Afghanistan being fucked up.
Even if they were treated equally to the rest of the incredibly corrupt, dysfunctional, drug ridden country, it would still be one hell of a failed state.

I have to admit that I have just read that article and was surprised considering that Pakistani-Canadians don't appear to be that deficient in human capital:

Test Scores By Ethnicity In Canada | Blog Posts

@HumanVarieties presents some preliminary data o...

vdare.com

Their average IQ is 100 relative to white Canadians' 105 and to Afghan-Canadians' 95.

"Treated equally" in what sense?

 

[Marduk]

I have to admit that I have just read that article and was surprised considering that Pakistani-Canadians don't appear to be that deficient in human capital:

Test Scores By Ethnicity In Canada | Blog Posts

@HumanVarieties presents some preliminary data o...

vdare.com

Their average IQ is 100 relative to white Canadians' 105 and to Afghan-Canadians' 95.

Statistics and averages.
You have some merit based immigrants who raise the statistic and come from upper classes of Pakistan, so they have no shortage of education or money, and then you have charity cases with all the problems, and they average out to 100.

"Treated equally" in what sense?

The same sense as the large numbers of perfectly straight young men who are so common among refugees from Afghanistan.

 

[WolfBear]

Statistics and averages.
You have some merit based immigrants who raise the statistic and come from upper classes of Pakistan, so they have no shortage of education or money, and then you have charity cases with all the problems, and they average out to 100.

The same sense as the large numbers of perfectly straight young men who are so common among refugees from Afghanistan.

There's still regression towards the mean to possibly take into account of. The fact that their children perform at 100 rather than only the parents is still rather impressive, TBH.

As for straight Afghan men, they might also dislike the Taliban's excessive puritanism, but even so, I agree that the best relocation place for them would probably be Pakistan, Iran, or even Central Asia rather than Europe. Unless perhaps they previously worked for the West. Then I would probably be willing to support entry for them into the West if they are not a security threat.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Again, why Afghans, why in the west?

Because some people can't help but try to throw feces into the pools that are western societies in the name of "diversity".

 

[WolfBear]

U.S. is rejecting over 90% of Afghans seeking to enter the country on humanitarian grounds

The U.S. last year resettled tens of thousands of Afghans following the Taliban takeover. But it left behind many at-risk Afghans, including family members of U.S. military translators.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

Some random developments as of the past few days.

The Islamic State in Afghanistan Apparently Launched a Rocket Attack on Neighboring Tajikistan Border Forces.



And a few days ago the Resistance in the Panjshir Valley apparently shot down a Taliban operated Mi-17 Helicopter.

 

[WolfBear]

Some random developments as of the past few days.

The Islamic State in Afghanistan Apparently Launched a Rocket Attack on Neighboring Tajikistan Border Forces.



And a few days ago the Resistance in the Panjshir Valley apparently shot down a Taliban operated Mi-17 Helicopter.

Makes one wonder if Afghanistan should be put out of its misery by being partitioned by its neighbors. I mean, if Russia feels that it's fair game to do this in Ukraine, why can't Afghanistan's neighbors feel the same way about Afghanistan? Let's face it, Afghanistan is much more of a joke country than Ukraine is. Afghanistan's glory days are long behind it, after all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Panipat

 

[WolfBear]

Afghanistan's GDP PPP per capita was less than $2,500 even when the US was still there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Even Bangladesh, Pakistan, and India are all over two times wealthier per capita. Ditto for Kyrgyzstan and almost for Tajikistan as well. Certainly true for all of the other Central Asian countries as well.

Why exactly do we even need an Afghanistan right now when its main exports are religious fundamentalists, horny rapists, and human misery? Serious question, BTW. Afghanistan's only export of value is burka fetishism lol :

 

[Blasterbot]

Afghanistan's GDP PPP per capita was less than $2,500 even when the US was still there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

Even Bangladesh, Pakistan, and India are all over two times wealthier per capita. Ditto for Kyrgyzstan and almost for Tajikistan as well. Certainly true for all of the other Central Asian countries as well.

Why exactly do we even need an Afghanistan right now when its main exports are religious fundamentalists, horny rapists, and human misery? Serious question, BTW. Afghanistan's only export of value is burka fetishism lol :

there are a fuck ton of rare earth minerals there in the mountains. since NIMBYists in america refuse to let us mine our own we spent some time building infrastructure to mine there. also a lot of poppy fields.

 

[BlackDragon98]

there are a fuck ton of rare earth minerals there in the mountains. since NIMBYists in america refuse to let us mine our own we spent some time building infrastructure to mine there. also a lot of poppy fields.

Taliban has banned drugs again.

Sometimes, I wonder if we fought the wrong enemy for 20 years . . .

 

[Blasterbot]

Taliban has banned drugs again.

Sometimes, I wonder if we fought the wrong enemy for 20 years . . .

i imagine they are using it as a cash crop now and selling it outside the country. but if they convert those fields to growing food good on them.