Iran? Syria? Iraq I'm less sure about because they already have a lot of problems with unemployment, electricity outages, and whatnot.
The War in Afghanistan
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Iran? Syria? Iraq I'm less sure about because they already have a lot of problems with unemployment, electricity outages, and whatnot.
Exactly, one already has plenty Afghan refugees and if they wanted more they could just ask (hint: they don't), the other is a place people try to run away from as much as Afghanistan.
AFAIK, the main people who are trying to run away from Syria are those who are hostile towards Assad, which are generally Sunnis to my knowledge. In contrast, the Hazara are Shi'ites.
Really, I wouldn't mind having the US accept some of them:
‘It Doesn’t Matter If We Get Killed,’ Afghanistan’s Hazaras Speak Out…
archived 30 May 2022 05:03:39 UTC
AFAIK, Hazaras are some of the more moderate Afghans out there. I would prefer Hazara refugees to Pashtun refugees, all else being equal.
Those are certainly more motivated. Doesn't change the fact that even for Shiites Syria can only offer dysfunctional, dictatorial government and poverty.
That's some textbook damning faint praise.Really, I wouldn't mind having the US accept some of them:
‘It Doesn’t Matter If We Get Killed,’ Afghanistan’s Hazaras Speak Out…
archived 30 May 2022 05:03:39 UTCarchive.ph
AFAIK, Hazaras are some of the more moderate Afghans out there. I would prefer Hazara refugees to Pashtun refugees, all else being equal.
At least they won't have to worry about persecution, though.
Well, Hazaras are more committed to things such as women's rights, human rights, democracy, freedom of speech, free expression/free press, et cetera than other Afghans are. Though it's all relative, of course. Even Hazaras need to learn to accept Charlie Hebdo cartoons as opposed to rioting over them, for instance.
Some Hazara refugee success stories from Canada:
www.unhcr.ca
Persecution and perseverance: Survival stories from the Hazara community
For over a century, the Hazara community has suffered from targeted discrimination, persecution, and massacres because of their ethnicity and Shi’ite faith.
www.unhcr.ca
It's Syria, yes, they do have to worry about that. One wrong word and Assad's goons will be very unhappy with anyone.
Exactly, "More than other Afghans" still can mean "less than most of the world".
Well, Yeah, they can get persecuted for their political opinions, albeit not so much for their religion or ethnicity.
Yeah. And this is why one wants to ensure successful assimilation. Take a look at my Canada Hazaras link right above.
That's the thing, in western ideological bullshitry, that's a totally important difference and near sacrosanct status is given to the latter, even though especially in ME politics, the line between religion, ethnicity and politics is blurry at best, for many people in some factions there these 3 are one and indivisible.
On more practical level, persecution is persecution, people don't care much which they are being persecuted for specifically, they care that they are being persecuted.
Well those are handpicked success stories... But what are the statistics?
Hazaras?Some Hazara refugee success stories from Canada:
Persecution and perseverance: Survival stories from the Hazara community
For over a century, the Hazara community has suffered from targeted discrimination, persecution, and massacres because of their ethnicity and Shi’ite faith.
Last time I heard a Hazara open her mouth, she called the Taliban "our brothers"
and unhchr
really?
do you not know the true purpose of the UN?
Yeah, she fucked up in regards to this. A little too friendly with the Talibs, if you ask me! And ironically sucking up to them hasn't made them any friendlier in regards to women's rights either!
Also, the Hazaras' plight is mentioned elsewhere as well:
‘It Doesn’t Matter If We Get Killed,’ Afghanistan’s Hazaras Speak Out
Hazaras targeted in repeated attacks in Taliban-led Afghanistan share their deep concerns and dreams of a better future.
thediplomat.com
Remember Afghanistan’s Hazaras
Can anything be done to help the Hazaras in Afghanistan?
thediplomat.com
Yeah, fair points.
Yeah, I'd like to see the statistics as well. That said, though, what I do know is that Afghans in Canada have an average IQ of around 95:
Test Scores By Ethnicity In Canada | Blog Posts
@HumanVarieties presents some preliminary data o...
vdare.com
But they don't only include Hazaras!
But Yeah, basically, Afghans are a Muslim version of Latin Americans for Canada!
Washington Let the Taliban Take Over Afghanistan, New SIGAR Report Sa…
archived 18 May 2022 16:43:50 UTC
Nothing new, with a hint of self-interest bias from the bureaucracy and contractor side who would have preferred the status quo to go on, with all the spending and positions that it implied.Washington Let the Taliban Take Over Afghanistan, New SIGAR Report Sa…
archived 18 May 2022 16:43:50 UTCarchive.ph
The conclusion is that the existence of Afghan government was based on US air support, flow of US money, and a hope that the former two will continue, giving some shade of stability.
Which is something, but if that is all there is to show after 20 years in terms of "nation building", that's a level of achievement to be expected after 2 years, not 20.
What is lacking there is an argument that it was within US interest to continue floating up the minimal stability of the notably useless Afghan government. Sure, things may go to shit, but whose problem is that? After all, none of US allies neighbor Afghanistan, its a gallery of enemies and frenemies instead.
Agreed with your analysis here, unfortunately.
Afghanistan’s Sufis Are Under Attack
Attempts are underway to ignite a sectarian war in Afghanistan. History suggests this will not work
newlinesmag.com
Ex-Afghan Leaders Made Off With Less Than $1 Million While Fleeing Taliban Advance
Millions more are missing but a U.S. watchdog finds little evidence to support Russian-backed claims that Afghanistan’s former leaders stole massive hauls of cash as they fled
www.voanews.com
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
''Russian-backed claims''
Everything that is bad has Russian appended these days. It was western media that started the tons of cash hauled out of Afghanistan story, now they hide behind claims of Russian disinformation.
Everything that is bad has Russian appended these days. It was western media that started the tons of cash hauled out of Afghanistan story, now they hide behind claims of Russian disinformation.
Blasterbot
Well-known member
rember russia bought the 2016 election for a low 5 digit number. rubles are super powerful.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
They're forming a partnership with the Russians to carve some part of the pie for themselves?
"Partnership". There was a story on that. Its the same kind of "partnership" Danes had with the English during early medieval era
"Gib money or else your vassals will get hurt while you are busy" kind of partnership.