The War in Afghanistan

Husky_Khan

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Ultimately it's "only" a seven percent increase over last year at the same time it should be noted.
 

Zachowon

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This is deiciving.
The way it is worded makes it seem that was all spent because of A-stan, which isn't true. Every single one of those have had contracts since Before 01, and have been supplying and building new equipment to this day for the military.
not just for the war in A-stan
 

The Original Sixth

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ISI is more or less rogue at this point. Pakistan's government is probably terrified of ISI. If they have any sense.

Also, if their president knew this was a problem, you'd have thought he'd have tried to whip his army into shape. Basic training is what, 3-6 months or something like that? Instead he ran.



Wait, what the hell is the military thinking, leaving dogs behind? I expect it's because they wouldn't be able to take them with. Good to know that the Taliban won't kill dogs.
 

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ISI is more or less rogue at this point. Pakistan's government is probably terrified of ISI. If they have any sense.

Also, if their president knew this was a problem, you'd have thought he'd have tried to whip his army into shape. Basic training is what, 3-6 months or something like that? Instead he ran.



Wait, what the hell is the military thinking, leaving dogs behind? I expect it's because they wouldn't be able to take them with. Good to know that the Taliban won't kill dogs.
They were 'contractor' dogs, not part of the military directly, and State would not let them be brought out for some reason.
 

The Original Sixth

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This shit is why you are getting B. This is the only option that doesn't contain wishful thinking or contradiction with most of the population's shown preferences, so by elimination, the influential and the rich default to that.

a) A lot of you Americans want a "multipolar world", but few both know and are willing to take the consequences of a multipolar world.

I understand the consequences of a multi-polar world. And I want it.

Think major trade disruptions cutting 20-50% of your GDP, and actual large scale conflicts happening over the world. How many would be totally ok with that? 20%? 30%? Perhaps 40% if you really get sick with stupid wars. Good luck winning elections with these numbers.

Lol, 20-50%? By 2019, less than 12% of economy was based off trade. And half of that was in Nafta. Which we renegotiated. That's a whopping 6%. And with COVID, the US is already reworking its industrial base for PPE (well, already HAS, I should say, we did it about a year ago I think) and Trump spent most of his term locking in as many states with economic interests into bilateral trade deals. Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Biden should finish up the UK. These aren't accidents.

Once those are locked in, the rest of the world could go to shit and it's not our problem. Especially AFTER this pandemic.


As things stand, the opinion makers and their target audience struggle to not DO SOMETHING about "women's rights in Afghanistan". Imagine what they would do if a proper war broke out, with millions dead in months, and somewhere more relevant.

Nothing? People don't care so much about women's rights in Afghanistan. Those that do are Liberal. Their own party leader just set those Afghani women adrift. What do you think a Republican, who is less compassionate, is going to do?


b) Are you running for a UN post or what? Countries are not moral actors, cannot be, much like corporations. And it is unwise for them to try. Because, among other reasons, there is no universally accepted moral standard for countries to act according to. The international arena is, in the end, mostly anarchy with dozens of separate moral systems and some actors who consider murdering you for your shoes a fine deal, with some slivers of order brought in with international laws, which in turn matter only due to backing through threat of economic and military force. A lot of both provided by USA. Allow yourself to get roped into stupid moralistic games, and you will end up doing ridiculous stuff one way (Libya intervention) or another (humanitarian superpower Sweden).

The US's major flaw as a superpower is that it has developed this dual approach of liberalism and realism. The liberals are really for the former, whereas the moderates lose interest after the cost and bodies begin to pile up.


c) One side of the divorce, consciously or not, downright cannot accept a peaceful divorce with all its implications. They are pretty clear about that. The much of the other side will struggle with such conditions too.

There will not be any divorce. The US is a civilization-state, not a nation-state. We aren't all going to get along like the French and British do within their own nation. We have about a dozen different set of moral values. Few of which can agree on what freedom is or means. Rather, the US is probably going to face an era of making the Federal level more effective at addressing local problems--or more likely, power will move from the federal to the state level. So closer to how we were around after or before the Civil War, just with (hopefully) less animosity.
 

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I understand the consequences of a multi-polar world. And I want it.



Lol, 20-50%? By 2019, less than 12% of economy was based off trade. And half of that was in Nafta. Which we renegotiated. That's a whopping 6%. And with COVID, the US is already reworking its industrial base for PPE (well, already HAS, I should say, we did it about a year ago I think) and Trump spent most of his term locking in as many states with economic interests into bilateral trade deals. Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Biden should finish up the UK. These aren't accidents.
On the other hand, Biden is fucking up the domestic oil industry, China gonna China. and your corporations will never say no to semi-slave sweatshop labor in Bangladesh and such.



Nothing? People don't care so much about women's rights in Afghanistan. Those that do are Liberal. Their own party leader just set those Afghani women adrift. What do you think a Republican, who is less compassionate, is going to do?
Exactly. You have too many of such "liberals" for your own good.


There will not be any divorce. The US is a civilization-state, not a nation-state. We aren't all going to get along like the French and British do within their own nation. We have about a dozen different set of moral values. Few of which can agree on what freedom is or means. Rather, the US is probably going to face an era of making the Federal level more effective at addressing local problems--or more likely, power will move from the federal to the state level. So closer to how we were around after or before the Civil War, just with (hopefully) less animosity.
My point is that only a section of the right is even remotely interested in a "live and let live". The left, the corporate technocrat elites, the RINOs, they all want there to be a massive federal bureaucracy they control and has power over as many aspects of life as imaginable. They want a "live exactly as i'm telling you to live" solution.
 

The Original Sixth

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On the other hand, Biden is fucking up the domestic oil industry,

Biden didn't fuck over the domestic oil industry. He mostly fucked over Canada's oil industry. The oil issue is mostly short term. Unless Biden is crazy enough to go after fracking, this pipeline deal was more for the Canadians than it was for us.

China gonna China.

And do what?


and your corporations will never say no to semi-slave sweatshop labor in Bangladesh and such.

Actually, we seem to be heading that way. The left and the right are not happy with how corporate America conducted itself. All the people in my generation who didn't have any jobs in 08'-10', who got crappy jobs, and were paid absolute crap--so companies could skim off billions? They're about to become the dominate voter once the Boomers die.


Exactly. You have too many of such "liberals" for your own good.

Too many in the media, Hollywood, entertainment, and education.

My point is that only a section of the right is even remotely interested in a "live and let live". The left, the corporate technocrat elites, the RINOs, they all want there to be a massive federal bureaucracy they control and has power over as many aspects of life as imaginable. They want a "live exactly as i'm telling you to live" solution.

RINOs aside, the liberal issue at hand is how they see the world and people. They believe that people are basically good. That it is society or some other great evil or group that is preventing them from reaching their potential. I expect this belief will be subject to some cruel realities in the next few years.
 

Sobek

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Why do you believe that Republicans are less compassionate than Liberals (do you mean Democrats or classic definition Liberal?)?

I think he means Democrats, and more of a matter of idealism vs. cynism. Democrats are holding these really lofty pie in the sky progressive ideals and downright communist thinking and lamenting it. "Oh no the gender studies is gone! Those poor LGBTQIA+ of Afghanistan!" and such from the very loud woke minority that show a complete lack of understanding of culture and life outside progressive west.
 

The Original Sixth

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Why do you believe that Republicans are less compassionate than Liberals (do you mean Democrats or classic definition Liberal?)?

It's scientifically proven, actually.

Liberals test very high (on average) in compassion, they test okay in liberty (as in, your freedom to do what you want), but they test low in all the other areas of morality (purity, loyalty, authority, karma). Conservatives are more balanced; they are more or less equal (on average) across all six areas of morality. Libertarians, in comparison, are super high in liberty, but tend to register very low in all other areas.

And that's where you get the social disconnect between liberals and conservatives. Liberals start crying about people who want to get through our borders--because sending them home makes those people miserable and sad. Whereas conservatives think they've lost their God damn minds, because those same immigrants have violated their concept of authority (breaking the law) and karma (trying to get in without earning it), with in some cases, purity (they're not white)--conservatives are then further agitated, because liberals further anger them by showing no loyalty to their people.

Liberals are almost completely incapable of understanding this mindset. The only way they can make it fit into their narrow-view of morality, is that conservatives lack ANY compassion and therefore accuse them of being things like cold hearted or even racist (which is them sort of latching onto the purity-angle of conservative morality, though often not true). Meanwhile, conservatives are dumbfounded that liberals don't seem to care about their fellow countrymen, the law, or punishing those who had to earn the right to live here.
 

Sobek

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Also, might have been posted already, but rumour is Joe had a chance to drone strike the Kabul Suicide Bomber but he denied letting them fire. If it turns out to be true...


 

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