The War in Afghanistan
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Dig deeper and ask them maybe you'll get a reply.
King Arts
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What? Anyone that tries to rest will learn the hard way?
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Uh, you obviously haven't been watching foreign news outlets, and how they are viewing Biden and the US, US military included.
Even places like Australia, as much of a hellhole as it's become, are wondering if they can actually trust DC or the US anymore after this A-stan fuck up. Particularly after we gave that list to the Taliban, closed Bagram earlier than we should have, and now they see Biden openly checking his watch at the dignified transfer.
Changing leadership in DC and the Pentagon will no longer be enough to convince many countries and people that the US is a dependable or trustworthy partner anymore.
The US and US military are not coming out of this with it's rep intact, even if it's not the fault of the rank and file.
Edit: This is what is happening to the allies we left hanging in the wind in order to meet Biden's deadline.
And every country that thinks otherwise, will learn first hand.
Media is also heavily biased. Ask people in other country militaries how they feel about it. A US soldier is more trustworthy watching you back then damn near any other
They won't call on US soldiers to defend them if they do not think they can trust the people in DC.
No.
They still will. Because it is better to have a US Soldier then any other, because we will get the job done.
Our government is the issue. Yes, doesn't mean we will always listen
Fucking...do you really not get it, or are you just saying that line as cope?
Dependability and trust in the politicians in DC, not US soldiers courage, is what nations make geopolitical calcs based off of.
If a country trusts another's mikitaru over thir government. They will till request from those military, even if the government says no.
Off the book teams exist for a reason
LindyAF
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IMO military as an institution reputation is basically invulnerable with Americans. It's a Support Our Troops thing. Any downturn in popular opinion is going to be on "the Pentagon" or on "the top brass" or on "the military-industrial complex" or some other category where you can say "oh, well I'm not talking about Our Troops." IDK if that's a good thing or a bad thing but it is a thing.
"International stage" might be different but it's fake and gay and doesn't matter.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
Nah son that is just a cope. The fact is the USA just destroyed it's own reputation for being trustworthy. Say what you will about Trump he was brash and full of himself but he got results, he spoke to enemies and friends and he had things being done.
Biden and his new, re-aligned towards a global and "liberal" order DoD and Pentagon and Military, just failed on every level over and over for near a month straight. They left our allies to dry completly ignored and they treated those who cooperated with little more than barely a thought, they failed to understand how the Taliban works and thinks despite over 20 years of documentation and common sense on it.
Face it: The upper echelons of your army are a joke, clubs for elites who view you as a exchangeable cog on the machine who should do as he is told and who refuse reality to instead insist on what they think things should be as we have seen with how often they ignore their own spooks and grunts on the ground reporting that the evacuation was gonna be a disaster.
We are seeing that right now. Soldiers and operatives went around having to bypass the brass and pretty much go AWOL to rescue americans and allies in Afghanistan because the tabletop generals in D.C. refused to let them do it. It is already happening. The people blame the deaths of the 13 service members as much on D.C. as they do on the Taliban, if not more. If anything I have seen more hatred thrown towards D.C. than the Taliban on social media, because in a way they expected the Taliban to do what they have done but what the government has done is unexcusable and unbelievable.
EDIT: A further show of how disconnected the higher ups are to reality and even basic optics
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If the only way we can help an ally is with off-the-books units, instead of through normal channels in DC and the Pentagon because said ally no longer trusts DC/the Pentagon, that does not make the situation any better.
Rogue/self-directed black ops units are not the same as a CVBG, and guess which one has more use in reassuring allies that they can still trust the US to help defend them.
It actually shows just how bad things are actually getting when you have to cite off-the-books units/black ops as your defense of the status quo and why our allies should still trust us.
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King Arts
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Umm dude. No the US reputation is going to take a big hit for a while. For your next invasion you won’t have as many people willing to be collaborators and act as your interpreters when they saw how you abandoned them to get their tongues cut out by the Taliban. Now the thing that makes it look bad is that you said you’d take them in for betraying their home for America. If you pulled an Alexander and from the very start said that they were contemptible because they were betrayers and not worthy of respect since they were just willing to submit instead of having the self respect to not bow before invaders, yes you would have fewer interpreters, but the world would at least say well there is some honor there. But when you try to have your cake and eat it too it by making a promise for someone to defect but then don’t accept them in because you are worried by the risks or something that makes you untrustworthy.
Third option - they were paid very good by Afghan standards money (from what i've found at least several times the average salary in Afghanistan) for being interpreters, for services rendered. Anything beyond that US provides is a bonus which they shouldn't count on or feel entitled to. Once the news of US started withdrawing, which wasn't a surprise, it was known for months, they should have used some of that money to make safe arrangements for themselves.
Circle of Willis
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At least one more soldier shares Scheller's sentiments and is willing to voice them openly.
Also, the great President Biden has finally condescended to meeting at least one of the families of the dead servicemen. As with everything else he's been up to, it went poorly and him referencing his son Beau (who, remember, was a JAG and died of cancer long after the end of his service - he didn't have that much in common with Rylee McCollum, the front-line soldier killed by enemy action whose pregnant widow Biden was meeting, besides both men having worn a uniform at one point) has only added insult on top of injury in the family's view.
Also, the great President Biden has finally condescended to meeting at least one of the families of the dead servicemen. As with everything else he's been up to, it went poorly and him referencing his son Beau (who, remember, was a JAG and died of cancer long after the end of his service - he didn't have that much in common with Rylee McCollum, the front-line soldier killed by enemy action whose pregnant widow Biden was meeting, besides both men having worn a uniform at one point) has only added insult on top of injury in the family's view.
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King Arts
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That would work if that is all that was promised. But what people fail to get is that, if you promise to give or do something, then fail to do it. It makes your credibility look bad. If the occupation of Afghanistan was run competently then besides many other things being differently, one other big difference would be only promising the collaborators money and maybe a higher position in the puppet government of Afghanistan and nothing else. But when people from other 3rd parties see you promise someone else the moon and the stars, and then you fall short, it makes them far less likely to trust you or actually decide they want to make an agreement with you unless it is absolutely necessary.