The War in Afghanistan
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PsihoKekec
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If you take a look at the Join Chiefs of Staff, you will find out that SJW Blue Falcons are already in the positions of responsibility, it's practically a requirement for getting stars.
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Yep, and now you can't criticize these people for lacking integrity or competence, and apparently @Zachowon is cool with that.
It doesn't, but hey, what do I know?
Out of everyone I am arguing with, not a single one of you serve. Not a single one if you have read the UCMJ laws. Read Army and DoD policies. Read the insurmountable documents and ruled we have to fucking follow.
Your solutions would not help it. It would allow for more of what we don't want to lead.
How about you read the fucking UCMJ, and all the DoD policies yall keep critiquing before fucking trying to seem like yall know fucking better
I'm done with yall.
Out of everyone I am arguing with, not a single one of you serve. Not a single one if you have read the UCMJ laws. Read Army and DoD policies. Read the insurmountable documents and ruled we have to fucking follow.
Your solutions would not help it. It would allow for more of what we don't want to lead.
Fuck you don't you fucking put words into my fucking mouth.
How about you read the fucking UCMJ, and all the DoD policies yall keep critiquing before fucking trying to seem like yall know fucking better
I'm done with yall.
You act like the Right Wingers in the military are having any sort of meaningful effect compared to how the Left operates and uses the military, or like the upper echelons aren't already Leftists now.
I'm saying maybe if fewer people feared the USMJ and valued the Constitution more than the feared what the LEFT IS ALREADY DOING, we would not be in this position.
The status quo you keep defending is the same status quo that would very much like to purge you from the military as soon as they get any excuse.
Keep thinking the Empire cares about you Crosshair; you're in for a rude awakening I expect.
I could point to Angry cops and the shit he gets away with.
Angry cops will never get anything above SSG.
I'm gonna jump in a bit here in defense of @Zachowon
The UCMJ is very specific about uniformed soldiers in any branch of any rank discussing politics. What gets wonky is the brass at the top who are in military positions, but politicking b/c they can based on position.
First and foremost, as a soldier, you give up some of your rights in order to join the military and be part of that which defends our freedoms. UCMJ is very clear on this.
Frankly, every TikTok, chat, what'not video of someone in uniform should be IMMEDIATELY removed from all sources. UNLESS explicitly allowed by Command.
The Marine BC knew full well what would happen when he made those comments, and he chose to do so. Figuratively falling on his sword so that he can try to make a change happen. If it has an actual effect won't be known for some time.
What you don't see and can't calculate is how much the Marines under his command and fellow officers are cheering him on in quiet conversations; you won't see how his actions will INSPIRE those under and around him to uphold the standards necessary.
The UCMJ is very specific about uniformed soldiers in any branch of any rank discussing politics. What gets wonky is the brass at the top who are in military positions, but politicking b/c they can based on position.
First and foremost, as a soldier, you give up some of your rights in order to join the military and be part of that which defends our freedoms. UCMJ is very clear on this.
Frankly, every TikTok, chat, what'not video of someone in uniform should be IMMEDIATELY removed from all sources. UNLESS explicitly allowed by Command.
The Marine BC knew full well what would happen when he made those comments, and he chose to do so. Figuratively falling on his sword so that he can try to make a change happen. If it has an actual effect won't be known for some time.
What you don't see and can't calculate is how much the Marines under his command and fellow officers are cheering him on in quiet conversations; you won't see how his actions will INSPIRE those under and around him to uphold the standards necessary.
Ideally yes, that is how it is supposed to work.
However, the USMJ DOES NOT EXIST IN A CULTURAL VACUUM, and how it is enforced is very political and 'once screw up means you're out or your career's is dead' mentality these days, once it goes above NJPs.
The Left is not going to wait for that 'Inspiration' to bear fruit before they make their moves, and unless more people actually are willing to sacrifice their careers for the Constitution and their own soldiers/allies safety, things will not change.
People in DC will just point fingers at each other while other people pick up their mess.
How exactly are people speaking out going to do anything?
Internally, more people are less likely to follow those orders. They are more likely to do what they do, for the brothers and sisters they lost over the ones in charge.
You are wanting people to ruin thier lives so you can get your Fewes to feel better.
If I told you, every life lost out there, would only increase if people were doing what you want, how would you feel then? Competent commanders getting relieved so you can feel better.
A competent leader doesn't have to speak out publically to make his point, in the military at least. He can do it with his actions against the enemy ir for his own troops.
But you are just an ignorant civie who knows nothing of how military works, just because it doesn't fit your political agenda.
That's the US. We get it done individually. We DON'T want the government to provide the solutions to your lives. That's pretty much the definition of conservative these days.
NOW, we just need to neuter our federal government and get them out of our daily lives....MUCH easier said than done.
I want people to put protecting the Constitution above obeying the USMJ; calling for accountability in public will move things faster and get things done faster than military channels. When it comes to politics and actually getting things done, mass civie pressure far more effective than trying to go by the book in the military/political/cultural realms.
The LEFT UNDERSTANDS THIS, IT'S WHY THEY'VE BEEN WINNING THE CULTURE WAR.
People are going to be dying either way now, and not just in the US forces; what I want is for those deaths not to be in vain by letting the status quo in DC remain as is.
For once, the media might be open being shift back to a neutral arbiter instead of in the Left's pocket, if that happens. That is not an opportunity that may come again for DECADES.
Mass resignations and calls for accountability by military personnel is not something the American media or Congress would be able to paper over in the news cycle, and it could very easily shift the Overton window on the Biden Admin into a very bad place for them politically. Enough to get them removed, and for the Dems to be crushed politically by the fallout from it; when the rot is removed, then you can start pardoning and reinstating those officers.
It might even be enough to breaks the elite's corrupt, graft filled, and lie driven grip on the US, and give us a chance to regain our national honor and Constitutional Rights after what the Wu Flu has done.
That's also why I think we need to have a conversation about...spreading out the functions of DC and breaking up the Beltway cliques by putting bureau/agency offices closer to where their area of responsibility actually are.
Like when Trump moved the Bureau of Land Management (the original BLM) to Grand Junction, because there isn't much BLM land east of the Mississippi, so no reason the HQ needs to be in DC.
BY bringing attention to it so it can't be just quietly swept under the rug.
Considering what's been going down, I question the competence of those commanders. The competent one is the one who fell on his sword so we can even know about this. Meanwhile, you're defending the incompetent ones, while they are free to do as they please without any consequences.
Apparently you don't seem to realize just how bad things have gotten.
You would do well to remember that not all of us are.
You think calling it out in public will do jack and shit?
What happend during Vietnam when those papers went live? What happend then hmm?
Mass resignations in the military (which isn't really possible, because you signed da contract, and few ways to get out of it, won't end well for you) would cause them to talk about reinstating the draft.
You know, the thing that would have every Bob dick and Joe now in the military.
You dint seem to understand, IT WONT DO JACK SHIT if we do it your way Bacle.
The military takes care of its fucking self, civilians just make things worse.
Damn near every PC thing in the mikitary was caused because some civie like you thought "Oh hey, this is a good idea that they should do!"
That is what it fucking is.
What you are asking for, is to make the military focus on political social issues. Instead of keeping things internal to focus in the fucking mission.
All those service members dying out there? You are asking for those numbers to go higher, ince the competent commanders decide to say "Fuck it, gonna call the higher ups out" ad someone a lot less skilled takes over, and more die.
You still know Jack and shit X.BY bringing attention to it so it can't be just quietly swept under the rug.
Considering what's been going down, I question the competence of those commanders. The competent one is the one who fell on his sword so we can even know about this. Meanwhile, you're defending the incompetent ones, while they are free to do as they please without any consequences.
Apparently you don't seem to realize just how bad things have gotten.
You would do well to remember that not all of us are.
You went through ROTC, ohhhh wow! Real military is a diffrent fuxking beast.
So getting rid of competent commanders who call out the bad higher ups, makes the ones who are less qualified take over.
Perhaps leading to more deaths.
Active duty military keeps things close, because every major change in the mikitary is done internally for the most part. Civilians like you and Bacle give ideas that would make things worse...
Do the Core values they drilled into my head repeatedly cease to matter in the "real" military?
So, ignoring the fact that a lot of what you're bitching about has already happened, are you now claiming that this LTC is incompetent and that the higher-ups he is calling out are, in fact, competent?
I hate to break it to you, but internal change has always been difficult for the military, and is basically impossible now. Putting it out there for the public to see is one of the only hopes one has for affecting change, and sadly even that doesn't seem to do much these days, which is why people like yourself are more mad at Snowden for exposing wrongdoing than you are at the actual wrongdoers, who have never suffered any consequences for their crimes. Instead, you laughably insist he could have somehow brought this up through his corrupt chain of command. See, all you advocate for is the status quo, and the thing about the status quo is that nothing ever changes for the better - they only ever get worse. You keep counting on the system to work, and the system has been broken for some time now. You keep counting on everyone to play by the rules in spite of the fact that the other side has demonstrated, repeatedly, that they do not play by the rules.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Mother of one of the fallen speaks out.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I doubt that not until it hits them right where it hurts.
It will come 2022 and 2024