The War in Afghanistan

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LindyAF said:
IMO the angle isn’t really to using Biden as a scapegoat (although I’m sure there’s a fair bit of not wanting to eat the blame). Rather, it’s to paint withdrawing from pointless foreign wars and anti-interventionism in general as irresponsible, reckless, and risky.

Just wait- in a few years we’re going to be hearing “you want to leave [sandbox X]? Do you want another Afghanistan?!” Hell, US Troops are supposed to be leaving Iraq this year - we might not even have to wait a year.
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I think they just legit fucked up on this one.

Just because these guys have power, and money it doesn't mean they cant get blind sided by bullshit or that they cant just legit fuck up.
 
Cherico said:
I think they just legit fucked up on this one.

Just because these guys have power, and money it doesn't mean they cant get blind sided by bullshit or that they cant just legit fuck up.
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Oh, I think they fucked up in that they didn’t expect the Afghanistan puppet government to fall this quickly - the globohomo empire is based on all sorts of beliefs that are just laughably false, and the elite have long ago started drinking their own Kool-Aid.

But the mainstream media (and the people they take orders from, CIA etc.) are spinning this the way they are for this reason. Up until this attack they could have been writing articles like “Biden troop withdrawal without a single loss of American life!” Even now they could be saying the death toll is small compared to the 2,500 US servicemembers killed over 20 years of conflict- 125/year.

It’s also likely that there are government people phoning it in right now as far as prepping people like Biden for the press, because they were not in favor of withdrawal. Additionally, by the same token I think it’s pretty likely that there some US military brass, US state department people, etc. who did not agree with or believe in withdrawal, who phoned it in terms of preparing for withdrawal, because they didn’t agree with it.
 
New York Post article detailing the lives of eleven of the US military fatalities.

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These are the US service members killed in the Kabul airport attack

The identities of the 13 US service members who were killed by an ISIS-K suicide bomber outside the Kabul airport while helping to oversee the evacuation of thousands of Americans and Afghan allies…
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Also Sergeant Nicole Gee, Marines

 
Random Username said:

Afghan Resistance leader: Biden's crisis cost US its dignity; Stranded Americans welcome in Panjshir Valley | Fox News

Afghan Resistance leader Amrullah Saleh – formerly the Vice President of Afghanistan until President Ashraf Ghani fled to the UAE and the Taliban took power – joined “Hannity” on Friday to call for the return of American leadership.
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Hmmm, maybe the government he was part of putting together should have used the millions of dollars in equipment and training to last a fucking week without American support.
 
@LindyAF
The govt we sponsored was horribly corrupt and not motivated to fight for something besides their individual survival. That's why many have run or capitulated w/out a shot.

Who knows how many of their soldiers were actually Taliban fighters.

They were extremely lacking in supply and logistical capability. They had been facing horrible casulaties for years. Despite that, there were a number of units (surprising there were ANY) that have continued to fight. They are part of a small minority.

The fact that our admin was 'surprised' by this result is the abhorent part.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
@LindyAF
The govt we sponsored was horribly corrupt and not motivated to fight for something besides their individual survival. That's why many have run or capitulated w/out a shot.

Who knows how many of their soldiers were actually Taliban fighters.

They were extremely lacking in supply and logistical capability. They had been facing horrible casulaties for years. Despite that, there were a number of units (surprising there were ANY) that have continued to fight. They are part of a small minority.

The fact that our admin was 'surprised' by this result is the abhorent part.
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The only surprised ones were those that hadn't paid attention
 
The Whispering Monk said:
@LindyAF
The govt we sponsored was horribly corrupt and not motivated to fight for something besides their individual survival. That's why many have run or capitulated w/out a shot.

Who knows how many of their soldiers were actually Taliban fighters.
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Exactly. That's why the "oh no we can't leave Our Allies (tm)" and the "look at these Moderate Rebel anti-Taliban Resistance Fighters!" etc. stuff is frustrating to me.

These people were corrupt garbage. That's why the situation is what it is right now. The "afghanistan government" and the "afghanistan government forces" were essentially the warlords that were more prone to taking bribes, hungry for cash, and prone to pedophilia. From what I've read, that's also why their logistics were shit, despite getting boatloads of American cash and weapons and having the most powerful empire in the world on their side. They were corrupt garbage, they had some officers who could read, write, or even count, and they didn't give a shit unless someone was sticking a gun in their face. There might be some exceptions to the rule, but if they weren't rotten on average this wouldn't be happening.

They probably could have estimated how many were Taliban pretty easily - how many seem at least moderate competent and motivated? That's how many are Taliban.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
@LindyAF
The govt we sponsored was horribly corrupt and not motivated to fight for something besides their individual survival. That's why many have run or capitulated w/out a shot.

Who knows how many of their soldiers were actually Taliban fighters.

They were extremely lacking in supply and logistical capability. They had been facing horrible casulaties for years. Despite that, there were a number of units (surprising there were ANY) that have continued to fight. They are part of a small minority.

The fact that our admin was 'surprised' by this result is the abhorent part.
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Reminds me of the Chinese Civil War.

Shitty KMT army that was supplied with US weaponry and with some divisions trained by US forces was routed by a bunch of ChiComs that up till 1945 had been hiding out in the mountains, waiting for the KMT to soak up all the casualties in the war against the Japanese.

When the collapse happened, it was almost instantaneous. Entire KMT divisions defected to the ChiComs, taking all their weapons and gear with them.

Only a minority of KMT units and only the best ones were able to be evaced to Taiwan.

Seems like the Yanks have learned 0 lessons over the past 70 years.
 
Bacle said:
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So, to make a point. What the later did the former didn't,is one was in uniform. Speaking from his position as a BC, while the former was in civies etc.
That actually matters, as one is against UCMJ policy.... almost like the latter had said. He knew what the risk was doing it in that manner
 
LindyAF said:
Exactly. That's why the "oh no we can't leave Our Allies (tm)" and the "look at these Moderate Rebel anti-Taliban Resistance Fighters!" etc. stuff is frustrating to me.
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Does anyone remember those Syrian rebels the Obama admin funded, trained and supplied that ended up joining ISIS almost instantly after the Battle of Mosul in 2014?

We, the western world, have NO allies in the Middle East, except Israel maybe. Everyone there is only looking out for themselves or their co-religionists (Sunni, Shia, etc.).
 

From the words of the secret visit by your reps.

www.theblaze.com

Mutilated body of Pulitzer Prize-winning photojournalist Danish Siddiqui discovered in Afghanistan after being left behind; Afghan general says Taliban likely culprit | Blaze Media

Pulitzer Prize-winning photojournalist Danish Siddiqui is dead after having inadvertently been left behind in Afghanistan in July during an Afghan military retreat. Reuters reports that Major-General Haibatullah Alizai and other soldiers say that Siddiqui was likely discovered and ultimately...
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Dead journo.
 
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