The War in Afghanistan

Question for yall, if these people are Biden voters that are in A-stan, would you want them to come back or stay?
Give them a taste of their own medicine and leave them with their new "friends".

I would be completely okay with it if we were getting women and children like we claimed, but that one photo only proves to me we are not. Likewise, I could be convinced to grant safe haven to many former members of ANSDF, especially the Commandos and the like; they fought hard and were generally good men. We don't need much of the Officer Corps, which was very corrupt generally, and I sure as shit don't want any of them who engaged in child rape.
Commandos are dead or about to be dead.
There was a video by the Taliban where they executed Commandos that surrendered after running out of ammo and grenades.
They're all going to be executed by the Talibs.

On the other hand, what the possibility of Talib sleeper agents mixing themselves into the evac flights?
I suspect they're planning something for 9/11.



Like many they hate the lugenpresse and showing their opinion very clearly when they have the power.


Go fuck yourself and turn in all your unit honours. You're not fit to wear them.

Hope the Brit told him to fuck off before going back to doing whatever they were doing.

Ugly how? What are we going to do, bomb them? Oh wait....

U.S. Airstrikes in Afghanistan Could Be a Sign of What Comes Next - August 3rd
US unleashes B-52s in bid to stem Taliban advance - August 7th
US B-52 bombers and gunships sent into action in Afghanistan in attempt to stop Taliban advance on key cities - August 7th
B-52s Airstrikes Against Taliban - August 10th

The Taliban still achieved decisive victory in 11 days despite this all out effort. Nevermind the last month or even this year, how exactly is bombing now supposed to achieve anything when it categorically failed to achieve decisive results in the past 20 years? To be blunt, they have us by the balls here; if we upset them, they use small arms, mortar fire and MANPADS to shut down the airport. Once the water, food and ammunition runs out the Taliban kill or capture everyone there or still trapped in Afghanistan.

This "America Fuck Yeah" outlook is going to get a lot of people killed in the immediate term and in the long term if people fallback on it instead of actually realizing it has no basis in reality and we need to learn from Afghanistan.
Vietnam got B-52ed and Gunshiped thrice over and still the NVA and VC won the war.

Air support is useless if the ground forces are made of glass.
 
On the other hand, what the possibility of Talib sleeper agents mixing themselves into the evac flights?
I suspect they're planning something for 9/11.
Unlikely, they never seemed interested in taking things that far.
The whole business with their support of terrorism was that they hosted and protected a certain loaded Gulf businessman with similar outlook on the world despite his international activities because he chucked some of his big millions their way and even though he had most of assets frozen they were counting on getting some more when he makes his fortunes better. Shows you what's the most likely form of a bad scenario with the Taliban too, just repeat that.
Now AQ and ISIL, who do have a presence in Afghanistan, are a completely different matter.
If anyone is trying something in the west it is them.
 
Give them a taste of their own medicine and leave them with their new "friends".


Commandos are dead or about to be dead.
There was a video by the Taliban where they executed Commandos that surrendered after running out of ammo and grenades.
They're all going to be executed by the Talibs.

On the other hand, what the possibility of Talib sleeper agents mixing themselves into the evac flights?
I suspect they're planning something for 9/11.
Yes, but they will most likely be caught during the strict screening when they reach the US. They aren't flying to civilian airports.
And Marduk made a point
Hope the Brit told him to fuck off before going back to doing whatever they were doing.


Vietnam got B-52ed and Gunshiped thrice over and still the NVA and VC won the war.

Air support is useless if the ground forces are made of glass.
The B-52s would destroy al the fancy new toys.
 
Yes, but they will most likely be caught during the strict screening when they reach the US. They aren't flying to civilian airports.
And Marduk made a point
Honestly, I suspect they would be let through on purpose. I also can't help but notice something about where all these "refuges" are being shipped to, much like these illegal migrants coming through the southern border.
 
Driving myself crazy trying to find the source of the second quote.

But yeah, he's right. The war in afghanistan was fought to make money for military-industry complex megacorps and justify stealing more civil rights in the name of security, not to be won. The taliban never posed an actual threat to the american leadership and the only lives those leaders care about are their own. Compare the cold war, when the soviets openly wanted to kill all the american leaders and had weapons capable of carrying out said threat, meaning the leaders faced an actual threat to themselves, not merely the lives of their pawns and their rules of engagement they okayed then, specifically, 'we are only being prevented from outright genociding you with nuclear weapons because you also have nuclear weapons so if we tried it, we'd both die.'
 
Huh. Interesting and telling if it should be real...

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On a lighter note:

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Seems like doing that earlier would've been better.
I have the terrible suspicion it wasn't because it makes the 'optics' even worse.

Bright side to all the dead people this has resulted in--all this makes very clear that high-level civil and military authorities in the US are a cluster of incompetence, blame-shifting, and PR-obsession.

I don't think it's incompetence on part of the Biden Administration. This sort of thing could just of easily have happened under Trump. If I had to make a guess as to what happened, it is this; Biden had hoped to extend the time that America was in the region WITHOUT becoming more committed, but the Taliban, who felt they had negotiated in good faith under Trump, were intent on launching an attack earlier. That left Biden with two choices; either send in more troops to repel them (thus ruining the peace negotiations and further committing the troops) or withdraw.

In the end, Biden was forced to withdraw and had to hope that the ANA could hold the Taliban off for at least a few months. He was probably warned that the ANA would fold like a house of cards, but I don't think he believed it. ANA had allegedly superior numbers and weaponry. That would be enough time to convince Americans to leave and process the Afghans they wanted to get out. Of course, he put his hopes in the ANA, which any military vet apparently knows is a practice in futility and self-delusion.

The result was Biden getting trapped. There was still a chance that the ANA's more competent elements might be able to rally and fight the Taliban off--or at least hold out for a few months. Hitting the panic button MIGHT get the message to Americans to get out, but it also had the high chance of collapsing what remained of the ANA. So Biden's administration continued urging Americans to leave, while keeping the embassy open. When all the other major cities fell, Biden and his team must have realized that Kabul would not last long. Talking heads speaking on their behalf said that analysts expected an attack within weeks--Biden's admin must have thought sooner, because he sent troops to secure the airport and began to close the embassy (though again, not entirely).

And yet it seems that even Kabul fell faster than Biden and his team imagined when they realized the assault was coming, because he's still seeming to try and play catch-up. He can't abandon the airport now without being sure that every American is out of the country, because it would be damning in the eyes of his own party. He can't send troops back in either, because other countries are already agitating the Taliban with their rescue and convoy missions. 70% of Americans want out of the are, not going back in for round two. So now he's having to process all these Afghans and shipping them out, because he still needs to get the rest of our people out and they're both in the way and politically damaging.

There is no clean way out of this. That died a week ago. Biden's best hope is that the media loses interest in the story. Then he can make the unpopular decisions and hope that the media doesn't beat him too hard on it. I don't think it will matter though. His image as the sane, safe choice as president has been horribly tarnished. Possibly beyond repair. The news coverage has been going for about two weeks now, which is never good. Voters will remember this come midterms and even for the next presidential run.

The downside with this waiting game I think Biden is trying to play is that it also bears the risk of something else going wrong. It's one thing if he got every American out and left the Afghans to fend for themselves, he'd get a bad week of press, but he could shrug that off, because we would already be gone. Now he's in danger of the disaster getting more and more coverage, because the US hasn't gotten all of its people out. And the longer we're there, the more Afghans will show up, the angrier the Taliban will get, and the greater chance this destroys his presidency (if it already hasn't).

He's getting the same sort of bad press as Trump did when COVID-19 came out.

EDIT -- It just occurred to me that Biden may have been trying to stall the Taliban until the fall season. Lots of people would need to finish the harvest around that time and the Taliban would have to worry about their offensive running into winter. Especially if Biden and his administration thought the ANA could hold out 3-6 months. Get to October and the Taliban offensive would have grounded to a halt in the central and northern regions, as temperatures average around 47 with a low of around 32. And gets colder from there. That squares with what the admin had been saying; 3-6 months. I don't think that was a lie. If we had left May 1st, that would give the Taliban May, June, July, August, September, and October. So a victory between July and October was likely.

That explains the deadline idea that I'm sure was driven by a committee that had a strong disconnect with society; if we leave in September, the Taliban couldn't possibly (lol) have gotten very far by October and by November, they'd have to wait out the winter. The Taliban wouldn't be able to start a new offensive until May of 2022. By that time, about a year would have passed and Biden could lay the blame entirely on ANA's shoulders. He'd be in the clear.

My guess is that the Taliban were thinking along the same lines. They didn't want to run a risk about a winter offensive and they didn't want to wait till next year to begin a spring offensive. Instead, I suspect they pushed forward with the invasion on their terms, putting Biden into a double-bind he can't escape. The best that Biden could hope for was the longer estimate (ie, six months), which again might have kept at least some of Afghan's government intact until next May.
 
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Honestly, I suspect they would be let through on purpose. I also can't help but notice something about where all these "refuges" are being shipped to, much like these illegal migrants coming through the southern border.
Uh...no because they are being sent to mikitary bases that are capable to hold them. You have absolutely no idea what is going on if you think the US military will let unverified Afghan refugees in without checking about them
I don't think it's incompetence on part of the Biden Administration. This sort of thing could just of easily have happened under Trump. If I had to make a guess as to what happened, it is this; Biden had hoped to extend the time that America was in the region WITHOUT becoming more committed, but the Taliban, who felt they had negotiated in good faith under Trump, were intent on launching an attack earlier. That left Biden with two choices; either send in more troops to repel them (thus ruining the peace negotiations and further committing the troops) or withdraw.

In the end, Biden was forced to withdraw and had to hope that the ANA could hold the Taliban off for at least a few months. He was probably warned that the ANA would fold like a house of cards, but I don't think he believed it. ANA had allegedly superior numbers and weaponry. That would be enough time to convince Americans to leave and process the Afghans they wanted to get out. Of course, he put his hopes in the ANA, which any military vet apparently knows is a practice in futility and self-delusion.

The result was Biden getting trapped. There was still a chance that the ANA's more competent elements might be able to rally and fight the Taliban off--or at least hold out for a few months. Hitting the panic button MIGHT get the message to Americans to get out, but it also had the high chance of collapsing what remained of the ANA. So Biden's administration continued urging Americans to leave, while keeping the embassy open. When all the other major cities fell, Biden and his team must have realized that Kabul would not last long. Talking heads speaking on their behalf said that analysts expected an attack within weeks--Biden's admin must have thought sooner, because he sent troops to secure the airport and began to close the embassy (though again, not entirely).

And yet it seems that even Kabul fell faster than Biden and his team imagined when they realized the assault was coming, because he's still seeming to try and play catch-up. He can't abandon the airport now without being sure that every American is out of the country, because it would be damning in the eyes of his own party. He can't send troops back in either, because other countries are already agitating the Taliban with their rescue and convoy missions. 70% of Americans want out of the are, not going back in for round two. So now he's having to process all these Afghans and shipping them out, because he still needs to get the rest of our people out and they're both in the way and politically damaging.

There is no clean way out of this. That died a week ago. Biden's best hope is that the media loses interest in the story. Then he can make the unpopular decisions and hope that the media doesn't beat him too hard on it. I don't think it will matter though. His image as the sane, safe choice as president has been horribly tarnished. Possibly beyond repair. The news coverage has been going for about two weeks now, which is never good. Voters will remember this come midterms and even for the next presidential run.

The downside with this waiting game I think Biden is trying to play is that it also bears the risk of something else going wrong. It's one thing if he got every American out and left the Afghans to fend for themselves, he'd get a bad week of press, but he could shrug that off, because we would already be gone. Now he's in danger of the disaster getting more and more coverage, because the US hasn't gotten all of its people out. And the longer we're there, the more Afghans will show up, the angrier the Taliban will get, and the greater chance this destroys his presidency (if it already hasn't).

He's getting the same sort of bad press as Trump did when COVID-19 came out.

EDIT -- It just occurred to me that Biden may have been trying to stall the Taliban until the fall season. Lots of people would need to finish the harvest around that time and the Taliban would have to worry about their offensive running into winter. Especially if Biden and his administration thought the ANA could hold out 3-6 months. Get to October and the Taliban offensive would have grounded to a halt in the central and northern regions, as temperatures average around 47 with a low of around 32. And gets colder from there. That squares with what the admin had been saying; 3-6 months. I don't think that was a lie. If we had left May 1st, that would give the Taliban May, June, July, August, September, and October. So a victory between July and October was likely.

That explains the deadline idea that I'm sure was driven by a committee that had a strong disconnect with society; if we leave in September, the Taliban couldn't possibly (lol) have gotten very far by October and by November, they'd have to wait out the winter. The Taliban wouldn't be able to start a new offensive until May of 2022. By that time, about a year would have passed and Biden could lay the blame entirely on ANA's shoulders. He'd be in the clear.

My guess is that the Taliban were thinking along the same lines. They didn't want to run a risk about a winter offensive and they didn't want to wait till next year to begin a spring offensive. Instead, I suspect they pushed forward with the invasion on their terms, putting Biden into a double-bind he can't escape. The best that Biden could hope for was the longer estimate (ie, six months), which again might have kept at least some of Afghan's government intact until next May.
The military said it wouldn't Ling before taliban took over.
It has come out. Iirc seeing it on Twitter
 
Uh...no because they are being sent to mikitary bases that are capable to hold them. You have absolutely no idea what is going on if you think the US military will let unverified Afghan refugees in without checking about them
Yes, few people realize it yet, but it is an incoming secondary crisis by all chance.
Imagine this - with the sheer number of people involved, some of these people by all chance will fail verification for various reasons.
What is the woke US government going to do with them?
Send them back to Afghanistan? Ask the nearest journo to explain how illegal and inhumane that would be.
I don't imagine places like Qatar or Uzbekistan being too eager to keep them themselves long term either.
 
Yes, few people realize it yet, but it is an incoming secondary crisis by all chance.
Imagine this - with the sheer number of people involved, some of these people by all chance will fail verification for various reasons.
What is the woke US government going to do with them?
Send them back to Afghanistan? Ask the nearest journo to explain how illegal and inhumane that would be.
I don't imagine places like Qatar or Uzbekistan being too eager to keep them themselves long term either.
If they fail verification, arrested and detained.
Meaning they are an issue
 

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