The War in Afghanistan

[King Arts]

We already know Milley is lying to brown nose to his boss.
Been confirmed. Planefag needs to catch up

Wait what? Are you seriously calling out General Milley? I’m not dreaming am I? Are you really Zach or did someone replace you. No I’m joking. But yeah he’s probably saying that to cover for the other elites because if he and the rest of Army high command seriously thought the Afghans could hold out then he should not be a general hell not even dumb privates who were over there were that guillable.

 

[Zachowon]

Wait what? Are you seriously calling out General Milley? I’m not dreaming am I? Are you really Zach or did someone replace you. No I’m joking. But yeah he’s probably saying that to cover for the other elites because if he and the rest of Army high command seriously thought the Afghans could hold out then he should not be a general hell not even dumb privates who were over there were that guillable.

I highly doubt they thought the Afghans could. They actually listen to the Intel

 

[Arch Dornan]

Lol.

 

[Tiamat]

I didn’t like the Orange Man, but I still voted for him regardless. Not that it made any difference, but at least my conscience is clear.

I doubt he and Pence would have screwed it up as badly as this steaming turd.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I have a question. Why is it that it's all men in the pics and videos of people trying to flee Afghanistan? Where are the women and children?

Probably because men are far, far more likely to be killed than women and children. Men of age are resources to be conscripted and ordered around by the Taliban. If you're a man and hesitate to do something, or do something that suggests dissent against their orders, you will be killed. Whereas it is easier for women and children to keep their heads down and not get noticed.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I saw a Twitter account that maybe an actual Taliban account before it's banned that says they'd only consider negotiating with Trump who they consider to be the real president. My sides will be through the roof if that's true.

https://ifunny.co/picture/real-taliban-news-realtalibannews-breaking-taliban-sources-claim-joe-biden-K0FlgBpq8

Stiff upper lippers vs the yanks.

EXC: Joe Biden's State Dept Halted a Trump-Era 'Crisis Response' Plan Aimed at Avoiding Benghazi-Style Evacuations Just MONTHS Before Taliban Takeover. - The National Pulse

Joe Biden’s State Department moved to cancel a critical State Department program aimed at providing swift and safe evacuations of Americans out of crisis zones just months before the fall of Kabul, The National Pulse can exclusively reveal.The “Contingency and Crisis Response Bureau” – which was...

thenationalpulse.com

Is this impeachable?

 

[History Learner]

My post morten so far is that there was two main mistakes on the part of ANSDF specific to this campaign season that, had they been avoided, would've delayed the end and probably would've allowed the Northern Alliance 2.0 to consist of more than just Panjshir in the aftermath.

1. In May they didn’t pull back around the cities like we suggested in favor of trying to defend everything. Large numbers of ANA and ANP were destroyed in the opening phases in rural areas or small towns/cities because of this. This was a political decision because Kabul didn’t want to be seen as surrendering ground without a fight.

2. They were obsessed with trying for a “Jalalabad moment”, which is a reference to the 1988 battle where the DRA effectively smashed the Muj and allowed for the DRA to outlive the collapse of the USSR. They tried to turn Lashkar Gah into this and thus over-committed Commandos and air assets here which the Taliban used to keep them fixed in place while using their own resources to target other areas; Kandahar City, the Northern Offensive and maybe even Herat all fell as a result. Lashkar Gah had no strategic value because the Taliban literally controlled everything else in Helmand and the city had been in danger of falling since 2017; Trump did a mini surge back then to stave off the inevitable. The resources would’ve been better used if Lashkar Gah had been abandoned (and KC too after Spin Boldak fell).

With all the resources used elsewhere, it's likely Dostum and Atta could've won the fight around Mazar and thus enabled GIRoA to clear out the Taliban in the Northeast before the pitched fight for Kabul began. After that, the lines probably would've looked like a replay of the 1990s:

 

[Husky_Khan]

Nah here's the main mistake.

I mean they couldn't help it but... that's what makes break ups so tough.

 

[History Learner]

Nah here's the main mistake.

I mean they couldn't help it but... that's what makes break ups so tough.

ANSDF has been fighting on its own since 2014, and each year since then it has taken more casualties-in any given year-then NATO took the entire 20 years it was in there. They didn't just melt away because the U.S. pulled out, they collapsed because they've been subjected to six years of brutal attrition warfare and because corruption resulted in many of them not having pay or basic supplies such as food. Under those conditions, no army could be expected to survive.

Don't get me wrong, the upper echelons of the ANSDF sucked, but the rank and file fought and often died hard. The Commandos were still launching counter-attacks 12 hours before Kabul fell if that tells you anything about their dedication.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Some more stories coming out of Kabul.



Reportedly the British Paras are poking about Kabul and the US is annoyed because it's violating their agreements with the Taliban supposedly.

And something more heartwarming...

ANSDF has been fighting on its own since 2014, and each year since then it has taken more casualties-in any given year-then NATO took the entire 20 years it was in there. They didn't just melt away because the U.S. pulled out, they collapsed because they've been subjected to six years of brutal attrition warfare and because corruption resulted in many of them not having pay or basic supplies such as food. Under those conditions, no army could be expected to survive.

Yes and the lack of United States and Coalition support. There's a reason they stated back in 2019 well before the Doha Accords how they were pointing out they suffered 45,000 combat dead and the international partners less then a hundred. It can almost be called "pulling out." Sometimes the pullout takes a little longer then expected.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The rest of the military is doing this. Explains where their famous logistics is missing.

Carlson: Laughlin AFB being used to fly illegal immigrants into U.S. interior

Reports have surfaced that Laughlin Air Force Base is being used to transport illegal immigrants further into the country's interior.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

Turkey apparently recently clarified it's Afghanistan/Taliban policy.



Keep in mind, Turkey currently "hosts" over a hundred thousand Afghan refugees which they could attempt to unload upon Europe, though recently Greece stated they will not take in any Afghan refugees. Also Turkey was in talks with the prior Afghan government over handling Kabul's Airport security and related operations even after the US/ISAF withdrawal. Managing an international airport ain't cheap after all and it won't be for the Taliban either if and when this current situation is over.

Also in the city of Jalalabad, two Afghans were reportedly killed and twelve wounded during a protest in response where a group of civilians apparently removed an Afghan Taliban flag at a roundabout, replacing it with the flag of the previous government of Afghanistan.

Shots fired at Afghan protest against Taliban, 2 reported dead

At least two reportedly killed after shots fired at protest against removal of Afghan flag in Jalalabad.

www.aljazeera.com

Also your daily dose of Trump...

Pithy but amazingly, his statement on Afghanistan today was still longer then Bidens today.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-wzkgduag680

 

[BlackDragon98]

He's going to put that education to good use oppressing and killing people enforcing the new government in power.

I wager that this one will become the Minister of Justice pretty soon. Or maybe one of the judges in their version of the Supreme Court.

I didn’t like the Orange Man, but I still voted for him regardless. Not that it made any difference, but at least my conscience is clear.

I doubt he and Pence would have screwed it up as badly as this steaming turd.

DO NOT SAY THE NAME OF THAT SHITTY LITTLE JUDAS!

 

[Jormungandr]

Reportedly the British Paras are poking about Kabul and the US is annoyed because it's violating their agreements with the Taliban supposedly.

It's because we've basically had enough of the US political/military leadership being incompetent to the point of being a hindrance, so we're getting people out ourselves. We don't give a fuck about "respecting the Taliban" or having our arms tied behind our backs like those poor bastards (Americans) have been ordered to.

When one of your key and closest allies is basically saying "fuck it, if you're too useless to do it, we'll do it ourselves", you know you've done fucked up somewhere.

Biden, his administration, and his cronies in the military's upper echelons are a goddamn disaster for America.

 

[Zachowon]

It's because we've basically had enough of the US political/military leadership being incompetent to the point of being a hindrance, so we're getting people out ourselves. We don't give a fuck about "respecting the Taliban" or having our arms tied behind our backs like those poor bastards (Americans) have been ordered to.

When one of your key and closest allies is basically saying "fuck it, if you're too useless to do it, we'll do it ourselves", you know you've done fucked up somewhere.

Biden, his administration, and his cronies in the military's upper echelons are a goddamn disaster for America.

Our leadership is trying to go ahead and NOT get unfiltered Arabs here. Unlike yours

 

[Husky_Khan]

Our leadership is trying to go ahead and NOT get unfiltered Arabs here. Unlike yours

Afghans aren't Arabs.

I think it's more of a case of the Paras never really signing the Doha Agreement and figuring they can get away with poking about to find people, which might be true since Britain stated they are willing to keep giving the Taliban foreign aid (non-military of course). Plus I mean fighting the Brits probably means the Americans get dragged in as well due to general proximity of everything.

 

[Jormungandr]

Our leadership is trying to go ahead and NOT get unfiltered Arabs here. Unlike yours

Yeah, that decision is pretty idiotic, and the public backlash has been pretty harsh: People don't want Afghan refugees coming over to the UK.

But I was talking about British, Irish, and even Americans citizens still stranded in the City, mostly. We're the ones poking around trying to get them out while the buffoons at your top have ordered your troops to play nice with the Taliban.

 

[Zachowon]

Afghans aren't Arabs.

I think it's more of a case of the Paras never really signing the Doha Agreement and figuring they can get away with poking about to find people, which might be true since Britain stated they are willing to keep giving the Taliban foreign aid (non-military of course).

Ahhhhhh.
Makes sense.

Yeah, that decision is pretty idiotic, and the public backlash has been pretty harsh: People don't want Afghan refugees coming over to the UK.

But I was talking about British, Irish, and even Americans citizens still stranded in the City, mostly. We're the ones poking around trying to get them out while the buffoons at your top have ordered your troops to play nice with the Taliban.

We have rules, and we probably have people who arnt supposed to be known about in there as well. Just ya know.. hush hush

 

[Arch Dornan]

CNN Producer Narrowly Survives After "Friendly" Taliban Tried to "Pistol Whip" Them

The CNN reporter who called the Taliban "friendly" as they chanted "Death to America" now claims two Taliban fighters tried to "pistol whip" CNN's producer who was recording video footage. “Two Taliban fighters just came up with their pistols, and they were ready to pistol whip [the producer],”...

trendingpolitics.com

A friendly bunch they said.

 

[Husky_Khan]

According to Sky News, this is happening on a British section of the razorwire... showing the desperation of some of the Afghan women and their desire to get their very young children out of the country.

Afghanistan: Desperate women throw babies over razor wire at compound, asking British soldiers to take them

As every day passes, the relief operation gets more and more urgent and desperate, as the British military tries to move thousands of people out of Afghanistan in just days.

news.sky.com

Also an update on Hamid Karzai, the President of Afghanistan from 2001 through 2014 and Muhammad Muhammad, the Vice President (and runner up in the 2014 election) of the previous Afghan government. Apparently they held a meeting with Anas Haqqani, a senior level Taliban leader of the Haqqani Network of which many of the Taliban who captured Kabul are members of. Details are slim but apparently they are discussing setting up the new Taliban government.

Former Afghan President Karzai meets with Taliban

Taliban commander Anas Haqqani, a senior leader of the Haqqani Network sat down with former Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

nypost.com

CNN Producer Narrowly Survives After "Friendly" Taliban Tried to "Pistol Whip" Them

The CNN reporter who called the Taliban "friendly" as they chanted "Death to America" now claims two Taliban fighters tried to "pistol whip" CNN's producer who was recording video footage. “Two Taliban fighters just came up with their pistols, and they were ready to pistol whip [the producer],”...

trendingpolitics.com

A friendly bunch they said.

Clarissa Ward and her team work for a pretty crappy network but she's certainly got a set of balls on her for engaging in the coverage she is. Watching the clips she's sending out is always a good watch even if the CNN talking heads she has to gab to dumb everything down.