The War in Afghanistan

[History Learner]

Taliban leadership is meeting with Western leaders and 'Afghan Civil society leaders' in Oslo, Norway.

The basic topic of discussion is apparently on pushing for Human Rights in return for increased access to billions of dollars worth of frozen humanitarian aid that is predominantly held in accounts within the United States.



Unemployment has skyrocketed, civil servants have gone unpaid for months and famine/hunger threatens over half of the country. The Taliban government has as of yet been unrecognized by any foreign power as well.

Taliban delegation begins talks in Oslo

Al Jazeera has learned that the Afghan group will be pushed on women’s rights in return for access to frozen funds.

www.aljazeera.com

Russia and the EU basically have defacto; the latter just re-opened its Embassy.

 

[WolfBear]

Russia and the EU basically have defacto; the latter just re-opened its Embassy.

There could be pragmatic reasons for doing this, though, such an ensuring that the Afghan people won't starve en masse.

Threatened and Beaten, Afghan Women Defy Taliban With Protests (Published 2022)

The Taliban have begun cracking down harder as women insist on their rights and as Western governments call for reforms.

www.nytimes.com

‘I’ve already sold my daughters; now, my kidney’: winter in Afghanistan’s slums

Crushing poverty is forcing starving displaced people to make desperate choices

www.theguardian.com

Afghanistan’s Most Dangerous Threat

Why America Can't Take on the Haqqani Network Alone

www.foreignaffairs.com

Impoverished Afghan women are receiving emergency aid in crypto as the Taliban limits cash withdrawals and millions go hungry

The founder of a coding school for women in Herat is sending Binance payments to her neediest students amid a cash crunch and collapsing economy.

www.businessinsider.com

Why effort to help Afghanistan is falling short

As winter deepens, a grim situation in Afghanistan is getting worse. Freezing temperatures are compounding misery from the downward spiral that has come with the fall of the U.S.-backed government …

www.denverpost.com

 

[Marduk]

There could be pragmatic reasons for doing this, though, such an ensuring that the Afghan people won't starve en masse.

Threatened and Beaten, Afghan Women Defy Taliban With Protests (Published 2022)

The Taliban have begun cracking down harder as women insist on their rights and as Western governments call for reforms.

www.nytimes.com

‘I’ve already sold my daughters; now, my kidney’: winter in Afghanistan’s slums

Crushing poverty is forcing starving displaced people to make desperate choices

www.theguardian.com

Afghanistan’s Most Dangerous Threat

Why America Can't Take on the Haqqani Network Alone

www.foreignaffairs.com

Impoverished Afghan women are receiving emergency aid in crypto as the Taliban limits cash withdrawals and millions go hungry

The founder of a coding school for women in Herat is sending Binance payments to her neediest students amid a cash crunch and collapsing economy.

www.businessinsider.com

Why effort to help Afghanistan is falling short

As winter deepens, a grim situation in Afghanistan is getting worse. Freezing temperatures are compounding misery from the downward spiral that has come with the fall of the U.S.-backed government …

www.denverpost.com

That sounds more like humanitarian reasons than pragmatic reasons.On pragmatic grounds this is Pakistan's and Iran's problem mostly, as those are the easiest places for refugees to head to, and those countries also are naturally most interested in what happens in Afghanistan.

 

[WolfBear]

That sounds more like humanitarian reasons than pragmatic reasons.On pragmatic grounds this is Pakistan's and Iran's problem mostly, as those are the easiest places for refugees to head to, and those countries also are naturally most interested in what happens in Afghanistan.

Interestingly enough, both Pakistan and Iran don't appear to have much sympathy for their Afghan brethren.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Taliban leadership is meeting with Western leaders and 'Afghan Civil society leaders' in Oslo, Norway.

The basic topic of discussion is apparently on pushing for Human Rights in return for increased access to billions of dollars worth of frozen humanitarian aid that is predominantly held in accounts within the United States.



Unemployment has skyrocketed, civil servants have gone unpaid for months and famine/hunger threatens over half of the country. The Taliban government has as of yet been unrecognized by any foreign power as well.

Taliban delegation begins talks in Oslo

Al Jazeera has learned that the Afghan group will be pushed on women’s rights in return for access to frozen funds.

www.aljazeera.com

After all that's said and done with the blood letting, looks like even warlords need money and food aid they're back to groveling before the West they want out.

 

[WolfBear]

Afghanistan’s last Sikhs in a dilemma: To stay or leave

Community leaders estimate just 140 Sikhs remain in the Taliban-ruled country, mostly in Jalalabad and capital Kabul.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[WolfBear]

Let's hope that they will get asylum in the West or at least in other decent countries, such as Latin America, which might be very homicidal but also much more LGBTQ+ friendly than the Muslim world is:

LGBTQ Afghans face surge of rape, torture after Taliban takeover, report says

“The level of fear of being targeted is so great that they feel like they’re risking their lives to go buy food,” a co-author of the report told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Marduk]

Let's hope that they will get asylum in the West or at least in other decent countries, such as Latin America, which might be very homicidal but also much more LGBTQ+ friendly than the Muslim world is:

LGBTQ Afghans face surge of rape, torture after Taliban takeover, report says

“The level of fear of being targeted is so great that they feel like they’re risking their lives to go buy food,” a co-author of the report told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

Only if the plentiful LGBTQ+ NGOs of the west offer to take lifetime financial responsibility for them. They want to call themselves a community after all.

 

[WolfBear]

Only if the plentiful LGBTQ+ NGOs of the west offer to take lifetime financial responsibility for them. They want to call themselves a community after all.

The Woke Left should have enough money for this. I hope so, at least.

 

[WolfBear]

Boris Johnson authorised Afghan animal evacuation, leaked email suggests

Boris Johnson has previously dismissed as "nonsense" claims he intervened to help an animal charity.

www.bbc.com

 

[History Learner]

After all that's said and done with the blood letting, looks like even warlords need money and food aid they're back to groveling before the West they want out.

Or, you know, we could release the billions we seized of Afghan money that would be more than sufficient to end this crisis? We essentially emptied their bank account and are now acting like they are parasites for asking us to help them not to starve to death.

 

[Marduk]

Or, you know, we could release the billions we seized of Afghan money that would be more than sufficient to end this crisis? We essentially emptied their bank account and are now acting like they are parasites for asking us to help them not to starve to death.

Their bank account. 😀
Where did the money on it come from, who put it there, what for, and who was using it before?

 

[PsihoKekec]

And honestly, since 2002 entire Afghan economy, including the Talibans, substituted on mooching off US money. The entire nation is like a terminal junkie going on a really bad withdrawal crisis.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Or, you know, we could release the billions we seized of Afghan money that would be more than sufficient to end this crisis? We essentially emptied their bank account and are now acting like they are parasites for asking us to help them not to starve to death.

Ok, and? That money was first in the hands of dictators the USA propped up, and then would've fallen into the hands of the Taliban.

 

[History Learner]

Their bank account. 😀
Where did the money on it come from, who put it there, what for, and who was using it before?

Yes their bank account, $9.5 Billion was frozen in August of 2021 which was in DAB’s account in the United States.

 

[History Learner]

Ok, and? That money was first in the hands of dictators the USA propped up, and then would've fallen into the hands of the Taliban.

Yes, for the nefarious purpose of feeding their own people.

 

[Marduk]

Yes their bank account, $9.5 Billion was frozen in August of 2021 which was in DAB’s account in the United States.

Since when the Taliban are the DAB, or own it?
Or perhaps they put the money into it in the first place?
I need to remind you that they are not recognized as Afghanistan's legitimate government by anyone. Not even their buddies in Pakistan.
How can they be recognized as the owners of the central bank when they are not recognized as the government?

Yes, for the nefarious purpose of feeding their own people.

They can say they will use it to find new homes for stray puppies of the world for all anyone cares. What they say now has no binding power on them once they get control of the money.

 

[History Learner]

Since when the Taliban are the DAB, or own it?
Or perhaps they put the money into it in the first place?
I need to remind you that they are not recognized as Afghanistan's legitimate government by anyone. Not even their buddies in Pakistan.
How can they be recognized as the owners of the central bank when they are not recognized as the government?

Since when was the GIRoA the DAB lol? Or, better yet, when is the Federal Reserve the United States Government? Regardless, however, I didn’t ask and I don’t care lol.

They can say they will use it to find new homes for stray puppies of the world for all anyone cares.

You’re a bloodthirsty psychopath wanting millions to starve to death, got it, but I don’t care. Give them their money back and it seems like political trends are moving in favor of my position.

 

[Marduk]

Since when was the GIRoA the DAB lol?

Since DAB has 100% state ownership and it was the state in question.

You’re a bloodthirsty psychopath wanting millions to starve to death, got it, but I don’t care. Give them their money back and it seems like political trends are moving in favor of my position.

I ask again, how is it their money?
It's DAB's money. DAB is not theirs. Most of it given to the now no longer existent recognized government by western countries. Hence the most reasonable option would be to proportionally distribute the money left to those who provided it, and if they want to, they can send the returned money to the Taliban directly.

 

[History Learner]

Since DAB has 100% state ownership and it was the state in question.

Would come as a hell of a shock to all involved that the DAB was a State.

I ask again, how is it their money?
It's DAB's money. DAB is not theirs. Most of it given to the now no longer existent recognized government by western countries. Hence the most reasonable option would be to proportionally distribute the money left to those who provided it, and if they want to, they can send the returned money to the Taliban directly.

You’ve already answered that when you conceded the DAB was a nationalized entity; the money belongs to the Afghan people as I’ve said repeatedly now.