United States The United States and Immigration Policy

[Arch Dornan]

Man gets away with offering a bounty on ICE agents.

Now the door can be opened to allow bounties to be posted on twitter.

 

[Bigking321]

That seems like a bad ruling on so many levels.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I'm assuming the defense was something along the lines of it being a joke or a hyperbolic expression of whatever, which I guess could in theory fly in court.

I'm more interested in how many similar cases there have been, there's no way this was the only guy talking about wanting to murder ICE agents and the like.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

..well... if he ever actually pays it out that would DEFINITELY be incitement and I'm assuming this is getting appealed.

Bounties not being direct incitement is a VERY strange interpretation of "bounty"

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I bet that judge would change his tune real quick if someone puts out a bounty on his head on twitter.

EDIT: I'm not advocating that, only stating that people like this one are hypocrites.

 

[Floridaman]

..well... if he ever actually pays it out that would DEFINITELY be incitement and I'm assuming this is getting appealed.

This was a criminal trial, the prosecution does not get to appeal otherwise it would violate the Double-Jeopardy rule.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

...appeals aren’t a second accusation. That makes no sense.

 

[Big Steve]

...appeals aren’t a second accusation. That makes no sense.

You can't appeal an acquittal is what they're saying. One someone's acquitted of a charge, they can't be tried on it again, and the acquittal can't be appealed.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

But still, I want to know: Is it now acceptable to post bounties on people on twitter? Are you covered by the law? What would happen if someone did kill the mark of the bounty?

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

One someone's acquitted of a charge, they can't be tried on it again, and the acquittal can't be appealed.

...except an appeal isn't a trial of the accused. It's effectively a trial of the judgement/court.

EDIT: I mean, the justice system is weird enough in some places that I'm not saying that's not how it works... just that it's not how I'd intuit to work.

 

[Deleted member]

...except an appeal isn't a trial of the accused. It's effectively a trial of the judgement/court.

EDIT: I mean, the justice system is weird enough in some places that I'm not saying that's not how it works... just that it's not how I'd intuit to work.

The United States' Common Law considers an acquittal to be un-appealable. I am not sure about the detailed jurisprudence of whether or not a second trial can be ordered in certain very limited circumstances of profound malfeasance, or if the prohibition is absolutely universal everywhere in the US because of the principle of "Double jeopardy".

 

[LordSunhawk]

An acquittal can be changed to a mistrial in the event of either jury tampering or extreme misconduct by the judge and thus a new trial could take place

 

[Deleted member]

An acquittal can be changed to a mistrial in the event of either jury tampering or extreme misconduct by the judge and thus a new trial could take place

I thought that was about it. Thank you very much.

 

[LordSunhawk]

I will note that I've never heard of it actually happening in the US, at least in the last few decades. Judges are incredibly loathe to overturn acquittals on the grounds of double jeopardy, even in cases where there was jury tampering by the defense (see John Gotti). It has happened in the UK, with a recent murder case which had serious jury tampering issues being retried without a jury by the bench.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

had serious jury tampering issues being retried without a jury

...ok, I'd rather have acquittal's, even as insane as this one looks, be un-appealable than THAT.

My god UK, how do you ALWAYS make things worse?

 

[Floridaman]

...ok, I'd rather have acquittal's, even as insane as this one looks, be un-appealable than THAT.

My god UK, how do you ALWAYS make things worse?

To be fair the American system was designed by looking at the British system and seeing what changes were needed, so it makes sense they do worse than we do.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

To be fair the American system was designed by looking at the British system and seeing what changes were needed, so it makes sense they do worse than we do.

you'd think they'd have fixed some stuff by now though.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

you'd think they'd have fixed some stuff by now though.

And let elite have less power over the peons? Never!

 

[Arch Dornan]

Illegal immigrants rescued at border wall in California after 'precarious situation'

Three people were rescued over the weekend after they were found in "a precarious situation" on a new section of border wall in San Diego, according to officials.

www.foxnews.com

Wall is working. People got stuck climbing it and the border protection agents arrived to take care of them.

 

[LordsFire]

Those numbers certainly line up with it being 40-50% effective. That's a solid start; now let's get more manpower protecting it.

Maybe ship soldiers down to the border as they return from the sandbox.