United States The United States and Immigration Policy

[FriedCFour]

I’m basically against immigration. While I would, in theory, want a system where worthy immigrants are allowed into the nation - what we have now is such an existential threat to the country and it’s citizens that I would favor a complete moratorium on all immigration until we can get things under better control. Along with this, I would favor deportation of all illegals in the nation currently, an end to birthright citizenship, and harsh penalties (big fines and real jail time) for employers who hire illegals.

So with regards to immigration, I make Trump look pretty moderate.

I would prefer to remain with my wife so I am definitely not for that.

 

[Deleted member 1]

I’m basically against immigration. While I would, in theory, want a system where worthy immigrants are allowed into the nation - what we have now is such an existential threat to the country and it’s citizens that I would favor a complete moratorium on all immigration until we can get things under better control. Along with this, I would favor deportation of all illegals in the nation currently, an end to birthright citizenship, and harsh penalties (big fines and real jail time) for employers who hire illegals.

So with regards to immigration, I make Trump look pretty moderate.

While I more or less agree with you completely, barring a few exceptions like treaties permitting indigenous migration, I am less supportive of ending birthright citizenship because of the complications of how citizenship would then be tracked. What do you then propose as an alternative?

 

[Deleted member 1]

I would prefer to remain with my wife so I am definitely not for that.

Surely your wife isn’t an illegal alien?

 

[Big Steve]

Surely your wife isn’t an illegal alien?

I think it was in reply to "complete moratorium on all immigration".

 

[Deleted member 1]

I think it was in reply to "complete moratorium on all immigration".

I just tend to assume such statements include an exemption for lawfully arranged family unification and suchlike, otherwise it would be a very odd policy.

 

[ShieldWife]

I would prefer to remain with my wife so I am definitely not for that.

My ideal immigration system would allow for immigration, especially if there is some extenuating circumstance like marriage.

While I more or less agree with you completely, barring a few exceptions like treaties permitting indigenous migration, I am less supportive of ending birthright citizenship because of the complications of how citizenship would then be tracked. What do you then propose as an alternative?

If both of your parents are citizens, then you are citizens as well. It makes a lot more sense that a pregnant American who gives birth abroad has a citizen baby than a non-American in the USA to give birth to an American baby.

 

[Deleted member 1]

My ideal immigration system would allow for immigration, especially if there is some extenuating circumstance like marriage.


If both of your parents are citizens, then you are citizens as well. It makes a lot more sense that a pregnant American who gives birth abroad has a citizen baby than a non-American in the USA to give birth to an American baby.

What about a single American parent?

 

[ShieldWife]

What about a single American parent?

With a foreign parent for the child? I think that in this case, there should be a easy process to apply for citizenship for this child.

Anything I say here is going to be an oversimplification, because real laws and regulations are complicated. I want some limited immigration into the nation, but the quality and quantity must be far more strictly controlled.

So my simple solution is to ban immigration, from there we can start adding laws to allow certain people in for certain reasons. Will some people fall through the cracks? Yes, but I would risk that to protect the future of my nation.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

My ideal immigration system would allow for immigration, especially if there is some extenuating circumstance like marriage

What about adoption of children from outside the USA?

 

[ShieldWife]

What about adoption of children from outside the USA?

Hmmm, I’m not sure. I might have to think about it or put some regulations on it. Adoption is better than other immigration if it involves very young children who won’t remember their native county.

 

[FriedCFour]

Surely your wife isn’t an illegal alien?

No. Depending on what a moratarium on all immigration means it would mean she would have to go back to Japan.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Hmmm, I’m not sure. I might have to think about it or put some regulations on it. Adoption is better than other immigration if it involves very young children who won’t remember their native county.

Okay, just wondering after having read this fic

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure there's nothing illegal about an American family willingly adopting a child from out the country, though the biological parents are American and even Mab would be able to point out how totally un-illegal it is

 

[Deleted member 1]

No. Depending on what a moratarium on all immigration means it would mean she would have to go back to Japan.

For what it is worth I think ShieldWife has made it clear she wasn’t envisioning such a thing...

 

[ShieldWife]

No. Depending on what a moratarium on all immigration means it would mean she would have to go back to Japan.

Under a ShieldWife regime, I will allow you to keep your wife

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Not American, but gotta ask, how big’s the divide between legal and illegal immigrants from South America(Plus Mexico)? Because I’ve heard before that they don’t like being lumped with one another or that others get it comparatively easier to become citizens or even like those statistics where the legal ones are used as justification to show there’s little crime or problems from the illegal ones

 

[PsychicWarrior]

Not American, but gotta ask, how big’s the divide between legal and illegal immigrants from South America(Plus Mexico)? Because I’ve heard before that they don’t like being lumped with one another or that others get it comparatively easier to become citizens or even like those statistics where the legal ones are used as justification to show there’s little crime or problems from the illegal ones

Even the Cato Institute says illegal immigrants commit less crimes than native-born Americans.

Cato scholars have since published numerous Immigration Research and Policy Briefs to shed light on this topic. Michelangelo Landgrave, a doctoral student in political science at the University of California, Riverside, and I released a paper today that estimates that illegal immigrant incarceration rates are about half those of native-born Americans in 2017. In the same year, legal immigrant incarceration rates are then again half those of illegal immigrants. Those results are similar to what Landgrave and I published for the years 2014 and 2016. We estimated illegal immigrant incarceration rates by using the same residual method that demographers use to estimate the number of illegal immigrants in the United States, only we also applied that method to the prison population. We used the same method to also find that the incarceration rate for young illegal immigrants brought here as children and theoretically eligible for deferred action is slightly below those of native-born Americans.

 

[Largo]

With a foreign parent for the child? I think that in this case, there should be a easy process to apply for citizenship for this child.

>Easy process
>Government bureaucracy

Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha that's a good one. And ending birthright citizenship is one of those tangents which I view with utter disgust, and a perfect example of how we're better than those stupid Europeans who all but segregate minorities into little ghettos while simpering about how much better they are at us in terms of race.

 

[Vaermina]

Even the Cato Institute says illegal immigrants commit less crimes than native-born Americans.

We have this bit from your own article.

Part of the reason why native-born Americans might not be concerned as much with illegal immigrant crime overall, but very concerned in some specific cases, is that most illegal immigrant criminals probably victimize other illegal immigrants. Of the homicides in 2015 where the relationship between the murderer and the victim is known, about 80 percent of murderers knew their victims. The relationship between victim and murderer could be even higher for illegal immigrants. Americans tend to care more when native-born Americans are murdered by illegal immigrants than when an illegal immigrant murders another illegal immigrant.

Which rather unfortunately combines with this.

New ACLU Report Shows Fear of Deportation is Deterring Immigrants from Reporting Crimes

WASHINGTON — The American Civil Liberties Union released a report today that shows fear of deportation is stopping immigrants from reporting crimes and participating in court proceedings.The report, “Freezing Out Justice: How Immigration Arrests at Courthouses Are Undermining the Justice...

www.aclu.org

WASHINGTON — The American Civil Liberties Union released a report today that shows fear of deportation is stopping immigrants from reporting crimes and participating in court proceedings.

And this.

Victims less likely to report violent crime in new immigrant communities

Victims are far less likely to report violent crimes to police if they live in new immigrant neighborhoods, forthcoming study shows.

journalistsresource.org

Dozens of studies over the years have found that immigration has little or no effect on crime in the U.S., on average. But research forthcoming in Criminology shows those studies offer an incomplete picture.

To paint a more comprehensive truth of the picture, which is that the incarnation rate is only lower because most of the crimes go unreported.

In addition to this we also have two very rarely prosecuted crimes that a good percentage of illegal immigrants are guilty of. Social Security fraud and driving without a valid drivers license.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Even the Cato Institute says illegal immigrants commit less crimes than native-born Americans.

Which is a lie, because it is tautological that the crime rate among illegal aliens is 100%.

 

[Big Steve]

Which is a lie, because it is tautological that the crime rate among illegal aliens is 100%.

IIRC Cato Institute is Libertarian, so they may oppose immigration laws anyway. It does seem like it's intended to be "crimes outside of illegally being in the country", but unspoken.