The Americas The Tyranny of Trudeau's Canada
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mrttao
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The USA is currently waging a trade war against both russia and china, and losing.
Adding a trade with with canada as well at the same time will be truly catastrophic for the USA.
This is especially pertinent because china already has their claws deep in Canada a the moment.
The US is actually winning both of those.
China's economy is fucked and getting worse by the day, if the US really wanted to collapse it the US President could do so with the stroke of a pen.
Russia's economy is massively fucked and is likewise getting worse. And maintaining that "trade war" doesn't really cost the US any political capital considering that basically every other globally relevant economic player is on board with fucking up Russia at the moment.
Canada deciding that it is a good idea to go after major US corporations for BS reasons (and these are BS reasons) would see US retaliation and would cause the collapse of the Canadian government basically overnight with the replacement government throwing the current idiots under the bus and rapidly making peace.
It would be a fucking stupid idea, but then the News law in question was a fucking stupid idea that totally ignored the realities of the modern information space and marketplace. Frankly, it was positively European in how stupid it was.
mrttao
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The US economy is fucked and getting worse by the day.
Unprecedented amounts of Americans are now in poverty, living hand to mouth, and inflation is sky high.
Meanwhile the entire world is starting to align against the USA, aiming to dump the dollar. Which will be a massive blow to USA economy as it relies on using military might to force countries to trade using the petrodollar and then using dollar inflation to rob the entire world to fund welfare.
And in the midst of this, where we are barely hanging by a thread.
The notion that the USA is fit to go to a trade war with canada in this condition is ridiculous.
They are not BS reasons. The tech cartels are literally the greatest threat to every western nation. And are actively working against governments nonstop.
And Canada's recourse if the tech cartels play hardball with it are perfectly reasonable and legitimate to end the threat those tech cartels pose to the govt.
The US actually has the strongest economy in the world at the moment, at least of any of the major economic players.
US inflation is lower than it is in most of the world, and living in poverty in the US puts someone in the top five percent of the global population for standard of living.
The US also has an unemployment rate of less than five percent. Basically everyone who is actually willing to work has a job and there are plenty of jobs out there paying very well that are desperate for people.
Yeah, no. You plainly have zero understanding of how the global economy actually works or functions. As for getting off the dollar, it gets brought up every few years and remains just as stupid and impossible an idea every time it is brought up.
To be the global medium of exchange a currency needs to be 1) vast - it has to have enough liquidity to lubricate literally trillions of dollars worth of transactions every day, 2) be a reasonably durable, and convertable, store of value on a day to day basis - it has to preserve value at least long enough to be spent, and 3) it needs to be backed by strong and predictable rule of law - it has to behave in a predictable manner.
Any currency that is actively managed on a day to day basis for political ends is automatically out of the running. It fails 2 and 3. This is also why no one accepts the yuan.
The Euro had a chance at maybe dethroning the dollar under the EU seized insured bank deposits in the great financial crisis and proved that strong and predictable rule of law where not things that the EU was in favor of. The governance issues with the Euro more generally would have probably killed it anyways, but that act is what tanked the Euro as a world reserve currency or medium of exchange.
The Japanese tried with the Yen before and got burned hard, they are now firmly of the opinion that they don't really want the Yen being a major global currency.
The Swiss Franc, Australian Dollar, and Canadian Dollar are the next three contenders and none of them have the liquidity or capital market depth to be able to fill the role.
And all of this? It's before the US starts actively exerting itself to preserve the dollars status and crush any competitors.
The BRICS are a shit show. India's most potent enemy is China and India absolutely will not accept the existence of a currency that China controls (or even exerts substantial influence over). China will not support any replacement currency that it doesn't control (or at least exert very substantial influence over). Russia is reduced to literally flying gold, diamonds, and pallets of US dollars around because no one wants the pound. Brazil, Argentina, and South Africa are all a collection of fuckup nations that aren't in any position to push a new global reserve currency.
Saudi Arabia is the only nation that might be able to make a go at it, except trying would fuck them hard with the US and its entire alliance network.
The US isn't hanging on by a thread, it is hanging on by multiple, redundant, braided steel cables that aren't even really under significant strain.
mrttao
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... lolwot?
since when are you sucking biden's dick?
stop listening to corporate media where they tell us that "inflation is at all time low and the economy is doing fine" and talk to actual people.
or just look at the prices
I'm not sucking Biden's dick. His economic policies are generally very stupid. That does nothing to change the fact that the US economy is hands down the strongest, most diversified, most resilient, most advanced, best positioned in the world.
KilroywasNOTHere
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Just because we are making the least amount of mistakes doesn't mean we should be excusing the ones we are making, especially when it's so easy to correct. We have never had a natural famine in our history (The Dust Bowl was brought about by bad politics and mishandling of farming.) We have no excuse for our economy to ever be bad with the sheer amount of resources we have.
AMEN
Literally it's one thing to say we have a bunch of problems it's another to ignore the rest of the worlds and naively say they are overtaking the us.
There isn't a single country in the world that I can think of at the moment that's in a better position than the U.S. and those that are even remotely close have their own hurtles to even attempt to come close.
Unless a second global great depression type economic disaster happens, which sets us way back due to a lack of funds and a bunch of cuts the U.S. isn't going to be overtaken for the foreseeable future and probably will somewhat even amid its stagnation maintain that lead.
(Thats also ignoring the fact that if any major shock happens which is big enough to threaten the U.S. position it won't just be putting them back but their adversaries as well.)
I don't think that is what Tippy is remotely arguing here though @mrttao is making a bad argument here based on conjecture, Tippy isn't arguing that we ignore our problems, he is arguing that despite our problems the rest of the world has its own and we shouldn't ignore them in analysis of global events due to our over fixation on our own in relation.
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LordsFire
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Yeah, things are noticeably worse in the US than they used to be.
I was just noticing yesterday that my preferred cheese costs almost twice what it did a decade ago. Gas is still up ~75% from when Trump was in office, interest rates are lousy, and all kinds of other shit is going wrong.
None of this changes the fact that anything and everything that is worse in the USA, is much worse in almost all other countries.
You do not understand the sheer, crushing, comprehensive, economic and strategic advantages the USA has over other nations. You do not understand how everything that is pushing us into decline, every other western nation suffers from, usually worse.
And that's the West. China and most non-western nations are even worse.
The only possible rival/future surpasser for the USA on the horizon at this point is India, and that's still decades away at the earliest. Four times the population helps, not being completely overrun by post-modernists helps, but they have their own massive problems that the US doesn't, like toxic religious ethics entrenched in caste culture, and two hostile nuclear powers who've attacked them with conventional forces directly on their borders.
The US should be in much better shape than it is. If Biden hadn't been cheated into office, we would have had another 3 years of growth under Trump, rather than of stagnation.
Compared to other nations, we at least have a chance at growth and economic revival. The political scene for almost all other nations is completely screwed.
49ersfootball
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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meeting with Philippine President Ferdinand Romualdez Marcos, Jr., during their PH-Canada Bilateral Meeting at the ASEAN Indonesia 2023 Summit.
*Laughs at the retard*
Sixth in his defense the american media has been utter garbage for 30 years for the most part people don't realize that all of these problems affecting america are global problems or if they do they don't realize the degree or that in many cases that many other countries have it worse.
Its natural for people to know alot about their own countries problems and not know as much about other countries issues, and when you put the entire global picture together and see everyones some kind of fucked....thats a hard truth to swallow.
mrttao
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The main advantage the USA still has (and hasn't pissed away or ruined with bad policies) is the petrodollar. which means americas inflation is everyone's inflation.
When america prints money, america uses inflation to steal money from every single person in the world.
I am pretty sure I already mentioned it. But foreign countries are aligning against america, this is specifically in order to dump the petrodollar. Which will cause a drastic shift worldwide.
Also. I am well aware that every country has its share of problems.
I don't think it is all roses elsewhere.
I think you missed the context of my post.
> me: usa is losing its 2 way trade war with china and russia. and can ill afford to make it a 3 way trade war by adding canada too
> marduk: lol USA numbah 1, we dah strongest, "USA president can destroy canada with a single stroke of a pen". daddy biden told me that the USA economy is the strongest it has ever been.
> me: stop sucking biden's dick. here is how the USA economy is fucked right now.
With that context, that post of mine was not "russia is richer than USA", nor "china is richer than USA".
What I was saying is:
1. here is how the trade war has been collapsing the USA economy.
2. only biden and those sucking his zombie cock are saying the USA economy is doing great right now. it is the worst it has ever been. some aspects of it have already gotten worse than the great depression
3. no we can't destroy canada with a single stroke of biden's pen right now
4. no we can't afford to make that 2 front ecowar into a 3 front one.
And to clarify on that further.
I stated USA is losing the trade war with russia and china, losing the trade war does not mean "russia, and/or china, and/or canada have better/richer economy than USA" nor does it mean "they are unharmed by the trade war".
it means that the trade war is harming the USA more than it is harming the other countries, and at the rate all the involved economies are collapsing it looks like the first to collapse would be the USA's.
I am actually very well aware of the problems other countries are facing.
Ya'll are misinterpreting my previous post.
LordsFire
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And here's the key place you're wrong.
America is not losing trade war with Russia, with China, or with both.
Russia and China are both in the process of long-term bad decisions tantamount to economic suicide catching up with them.
The US is dealing with a number of long-term drags on its economy, combined with short-term attempts to kill it by the Biden administration.
Neither China nor Russia have anything going for them that suggests a positive economic future. They're in demographic collapse, they have no friends, few allies of convenience, have actively pissed off their most important trading partners, lack the fundamental capacity to be self-sufficient at anything approaching a modern economic level, and most importantly, nothing they provide to the rest of the world cannot be gathered from somewhere else. All of this is before getting into the fact that they are some of the most corrupt nations in the world, actively deterring attempts to fix their entrenched cultural and institutional problems, and also stifling innovation.
China's economic growth for the last 40 years was built on the back of cheap labor. It is now outcompeted for this by many other nations, which also do not come with the massive negative side-effects to dealing with the Chinese. Russia's economy is based on resource extraction, their capacity for advanced manufacturing is pathetic, and degrading, not improving, as their old talent dies off and their young talent flees the country to avoid being drafted, both of these in increasing numbers.
The USA has a superior resource extraction economy to the Russians, and once we stop having a Dem in the white house shoot us in the foot regularly, Russia getting booted out of the energy market will make us shit-tons of cash money as we export to Europe.
There is nothing China does for the USA that the USA cannot do itself, the only thing they had was that they'd do the same things cheaper, albeit also generally at lower quality. Now they don't even have that going compared to other options.
The USA is suffering weak growth compared to what it's used to right now. If you correct for funny numbers games and inflation, we may arguably be stagnant or slightly contracting economically. China and Russia are barreling towards economic implosion.
To claim they're 'beating us in a trade war' is to show you have no idea what you're talking about.
DarthOne
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You say this like the USA doesn’t have its own demographic collapse going on, or that we haven’t made a mess of our own system of alliance. Or that our own economic growth isn’t going to continue to collapse thanks to importing Third World South America and the Middle East, along with the collapse of the Middle Class.
LordsFire
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I have at no point said we do not have problems. We certainly do.
However.
1. Our demographic collapse is nowhere near as bad as almost anywhere else in the first world. The Millennial generation in the USA is proportionately larger than basically anywhere else, and while our birth rates are continuing to decline, they have not declined anywhere near as far or fast yet as the rest of the modern world's.
2. Excess immigration is a problem, but it is not the same kind of existential threat it is in Europe. Europe is largely being inundated by military-age islamists who want to destroy western civilization, and get a free ride off of European welfare states as part of doing so. America is largely being inundated with Latin American catholics who actually are coming here to work, even if they're doing so illegally.
Do not misunderstand my statement on this. We should absolutely close the borders. We should absolutely cut legal migration down to a trickle, and stop illegal migration cold and hard. A lot of cartel members are coming in to the US to smuggle drugs, expand their criminal network, and more. All of this is bad, and one of the largest issues that our nation faces. It's still not a patch on the shit that Europe is dealing with.
3. The sheer size of the USA means that there is little to nothing in the way of natural resources that we cannot provide ourselves, and provide abundantly. This is a powerful advantage.
4. The USA's history as and continuing status as the world center of technological innovation is an enormous advantage, and conditions in the rest of the developed world are generally getting worse for such things, not better, meaning innovators and entrepreneurs are likely to continue 'brain draining' into the US. Even if/as things get worse here, they're still better than elsewhere, and getting worse faster in other places, which is to the US's advantage, even if it's still a bleak story.
5. Having been the world's economic superpower for most of the last 100 years, including comprising more than a quarter of the total economic output for decades, means there's already a level of wealth and prosperity entrenchment here that gives another advantage.
6. Christianity is more or less a dead cultural force in Europe, Canada, and Russia. It's still alive in the USA, even if it is troubled. Ironically, in the long run China has a more alive faith community than Europe, they're just completely locked out of political power by the CCP, for now. Once that shackle eventually shatters, it will be interesting seeing what changes there.
In summation, are things worse than they should be? Absolutely.
Are they still so much better here than almost anywhere else? Also Absolutely.
DarthOne
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Fair points, more or less.