The shelves are getting empty

LordsFire

Internet Wizard


The way that he treats ongoing nigh-continuous inflation as a foregone conclusion is annoying. It's possible, but that would require a complete lack of self-correction by a lot of parties involved in all of this.

Given that Italy is now reporting actual Covid death numbers, the elections in Virginia, the ongoing mass-protests against lockdowns and vaccine passports, and a variety of economic factors, that's highly unlikely.

Not out of the question; I'd give it maybe a 20% chance of happening, but these things usually come and go in cycles for reasons, and the US (and most of the rest of the world) doesn't have war reparation payments or similar hanging over their head like Weimar Germany did.
 

Simonbob

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Interesting.

I've heard similar things on the 'ship' side, and I can tell you that it's not going to last, because when you run out of workers, you collect zero dollars. Also, if you're running such a company, you can't get stuff you want, either.

The biggest problem isn't the law not forcing these groups to do certain things, it's the law stopping people fixing it. There's a number of places where a existing port could be expanded, or a new one could be made, but you need permission, and that's harder than just building what you need.

And, the parts for maintaining both the trucks and the ports? Well, they're in a container too. Not that we can reach said container. That's already adding to the mess, and that's not getting better quickly, either. (Now, if they could only be made in the same nation....)


Where I work, we've been using the same courier company for years. 3-5 ton trucks, good guys. Over perhaps 10 years, there was about one time a year when they couldn't pick up a package.

There's been at least one each month, for the past 6 months.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
Here's a decent article that breaks down what the price increase is (inflation) for individual product types.

Prices Continue to Surge

If you run into a paywall, here's the brief:
"Americans pay for goods and services, rose 0.9 percent over the month in October and 6.2 percent over the year, with the annual figure reflecting the highest pace of price hikes in nearly 31 years."

Gasoline: 49.6 percent year-over-year and 3.7 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 6.1 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Fuel oil: 59.1 percent year-over-year and 12.3 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 12.3 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted


Electricity: 6.5 percent year-over-year and minus 0.1 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.8 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Utility (piped) gas service: 28.1 percent year-over-year and 6.5 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 6.6 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Propane, kerosene, and firewood: 34.7 percent year-over-year and 7.9 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 6.2 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Food: 5.3 percent year-over-year and 1.0 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 0.9 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Meats, poultry, fish, and eggs: 11.9 percent year-over-year and 1.4 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.7 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Bacon and similar products: 20.2 percent year-over-year and 2.1 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 2.0 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Pork chops: 15.9 percent year-over-year and 5.0 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 5.0 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Uncooked beef steaks: 24.2 percent year-over-year and 1.9 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.7 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Peanut butter: 6.0 percent year-over-year and 3.3 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 3.3 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Coffee: 4.7 percent year-over-year and 1.7 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 2.8 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Restaurant prices: 5.3 percent year-over-year and 0.8 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 0.8 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Furniture and bedding: 12.0 percent year-over-year and 0.3 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 0.3 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Sporting goods: 8.7 percent year-over-year and 1.6 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.6 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Appliances: 6.6 percent year-over-year and minus 0.2 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; minus 0.1 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Used cars and trucks: 26.4 percent year-over-year and 1.4 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 2.5 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

New cars and trucks: 9.8 percent year-over-year and 2.6 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.4 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Motor vehicle maintenance and repair: 5.4 percent year-over-year and 1.5 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.5 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Delivery services: 7.5 percent year-over-year and 0.4 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 0.7 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Rent: 2.7 percent year-over-year and 0.5 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 0.4 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted

Lodging away from home: 22.3 percent year-over-year and minus 3.2 percent month-over-month seasonally unadjusted; 1.4 percent month-over-month, seasonally adjusted
 

DarthOne

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Disclaimer: take this with a grain of salt or two; I’m not sure how accurate this all is and the guy is a prepper, which tends to result in a certain mindset of seeing government collapse in every shadow.

 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
In Italy shelves are not yet empty, they did for a while during the lockdowns but maybe it's because we border more than 1 country.

I have heard similar and conflicting messages about Brazil too.

Only European country with shortages seems the UK so far.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
In Italy shelves are not yet empty, they did for a while during the lockdowns but maybe it's because we border more than 1 country.

I have heard similar and conflicting messages about Brazil too.

Only European country with shortages seems the UK so far.

Reports from people actually in England say those shortages are along the lines of 'this one brand of product has been arriving late,' meaning that a few shelves here and there are empty, not mass shortages of everything, or even everything within one product category.

Edited in mentioning which country.
 
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TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
Reports from people actually in the country say those shortages are along the lines of 'this one brand of product has been arriving late,' meaning that a few shelves here and there are empty, not mass shortages of everything, or even everything within one product category.

Which of the three places are you talking about?
 

TheRejectionist

TheRejectionist
Reports from people actually in England say those shortages are along the lines of 'this one brand of product has been arriving late,' meaning that a few shelves here and there are empty, not mass shortages of everything, or even everything within one product category.

Edited in mentioning which country.

Thanks for the clarification lad. Well it's a shitty situation but it doesn't sound a catastrophe . Though it will not get better I presume?
 

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