Um most people on this planet follow one religion or another. Atheism is basically fringe in the grand scheme of things planet wide.Actually the main reason atheism isn't fun is thanks to religious people not leaving well enough alone.
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No I am just stating the obvious.
Don't put words in my mouth. I said I was just stating the obvious. Your group is a small group on a planet that does not share that view. It is what it is.
Dude the world is what is. Life is not fair to anyone. People have to live with the hand they are dealt. That applies to everyone.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
True, but reality often fails to live up to the ideal; oftentimes, you just have to learn to live with things as they are, rather than how they ought to be. Atheists do tend to get the short end of the stick from religious types (same goes for Agnostics like myself), but that's just par for the course in how we humans deal with outgroups.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
The main problem with atheism is that all too many atheists are taking it like a religion, agressivly proselytising to heathens and acting holiher than thou. That's why I don't want to have anything to do with any atheist organisation. I respect the religious feelings of other people as long as they respect the lack of mine. When they don't, I'm an asshole. Especially to vegans.
Oh yes them.................. I really really don't like Vegans. They can't shut up about the fact they are a Vegan and must remind you every damn hour sometimes less. They think if you eat some Fried Chicken you are a murderer. And they keep praddling on about Veganism even when you have said you are not interested. I love eating meat please go away. I once threatened to eat one of them if they didn't leave me alone. I can be scary when I want to.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
My mom started entertaining thoughts about veganism for me and her to lose weight, sure I eat lots of carbs and junkfood, but I lose a LOT of energy if I don’t eat carbs and meat and can barely stay up without both at the same time for breakfast and lunch
Yes, I still eat fruits and vegetables, but mainly at dinner(plants are the lightest meal, therefore reserved usually last)
Also, in-regards to atheism, I think its better to only be an atheist if simply put you really are rather apathetic or uncaring when it comes to faith and would rather use that time at church to play videogames
Rather than do it to stick it to your parents or local figures or “The Man”
If you don’t believe or care, then you just don’t
I certainly don’t, plus I am a rather lazy piece of shit who doesn’t feel guilty at liking fanservice and cursing and have questionable levels of empathy for others...don’t want to fake it by forcing it
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Your "truth" is nothing more than slanderous propaganda. If all you can do is repeat it mindlessly, then I hate to break it to you, but you're just the right wing version of an NPC.
It's pretty simple actually - it's based mainly in the golden rule. This is also why libertarianism has such a draw to atheists, too, because it's essentially based on the same principles. Meanwhile, plenty of atrocities have been committed by people belonging to your "moral" religion. For example, the institution of slavery in the American south, which was justified by its proponents by passages in the Bible which pertain to slavery. And again, I'd invite everyone to look up the Sand Creek massacre and the atrocities committed there, and keep in mind that it was led by a preacher.
And you see that as a bad thing? Personally I should think you'd be glad that we clearly aren't the amoral monsters you claimed us to be.
So let me get this straight. Your counter-argument to my assertion that atheism has no coherent moral framework, and that what moral framework it has, is most often simply inherited from Christianity...
Is to quote half of Jesus Christ's summation of moral law back at me.
And you didn't even support that position, you just asserted it!
Sir, I cannot say that your argument is wrong, because it in truth does not actually even rise to the level of being an argument.
Your assertion actually reinforces my own position; if you want to convince someone, you'll have to do much better than this.
ShadowsOfParadox
Well-known member
...I feel the need to point out that Christianity itself inherits much of it's moral framework. As does Judaism and Buddhism and Hinduism and on and on and on and on and on.
It takes a long ass time to develop a coherent moral framework. Atheism hasn't been around all that long to actually figure out how morals work without the baseline assumption of "There's Gods and Souls and shit". But then, it took thousands of years for Christianity to happen to.
It takes a long ass time to develop a coherent moral framework. Atheism hasn't been around all that long to actually figure out how morals work without the baseline assumption of "There's Gods and Souls and shit". But then, it took thousands of years for Christianity to happen to.
I think we can all come together on our hatred of vegans.
as some one who lives in cali even vegans are not fond of vegans.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
That's an interesting claim. It seems to be operating on the assumption that Judaism and Christianity are not actually the result of direct divine revelation.
ShadowsOfParadox
Well-known member
Even assuming divine revelation, how long was history pre revelation and how many steps did God take leading up to it? A lot.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Which is an easy assumption to make, for anyone who isn't burdened by the prejudices inherent in being a Jew or a Christian. I mean look at the Golden Rule for example; the Jewish “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole of the Torah, while the rest is commentary thereon; go and learn it.” and the Christian "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.", are both basically plagiarisms of the ancient Mesopotamian "Son, that which seems evil to thee, do not to thy companion."