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Husky_Khan

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No, I mean Gideon was supposedly *already* executed. Din mentions it in Season 1, saying it should have been impossible for it to be Gideon.

No it was Cara who mentioned that he was executed for his war crimes and surprised he was still alive. It's part of the whole fan theory that Moff Gideon is involving in cloning/strandcasting whatever in that he could've faked his own death with those means.
 

Sailor.X

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I heard a rumor that Moff Gideon is a Mandalorian. Which if true means Bo-Katan lost the Darksaber to another Mando. And more importantly A Mandalorian glassed his home planet.
 

ShadowArxxy

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On this side note, dialogue in Season 3 Episode 1 states that Cara Dune is no longer Marshall on Navarro because New Republic Special Forces recruited her after she brought in Moff Gideon., i.e. while the Cara Dune spinoff series has been cancelled, the plot hook not only still exists but has been reiterated in canon. As to Gideon, he's pending trial by a New Republic War Crimes Tribunal; given the way both Greef Karga and the Mando scoff at this, neither one expects any actual justice to result.

(Greef's ambitions are interesting: he wants to turn Nevarro into a truly independent trade hub that is peaceful and prosperous, but *not* under New Republic authority. It's a logical extension of what was established in Season 2, and the city seen in this episode is visibly cleaned up quite a bit from what was previously seen, although it's still visibly the same place.)
 

Husky_Khan

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Sounds more like they just gave her an "I must go, my planet needs me" type of exit.

Yeah it sounded more like she could come back because for some reason I thought they wouldn't mention her after her not being mentioned for an entire season unless they wanted to bring her back.

But then I realized there was no season between Cara's latest appearance and the current Season Three opening. I was thinking of how The Book of Boba Fett was basically Mandalorian Season 2.5.
 

Bacle

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Well, they aren't wasting time this season.

Somethings are not as dead as we had been led to believe.
 

Sailor.X

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My jaw literally dropped. HOLY SHIT. (I'm laughing a little bit at Din though. "You CAN'T SWIM IN YOUR ARMOR, MORON!" )
I think this episode is fore shadowing Bo Katan becoming Mandalore.
1: Din was so focused on atoning for Non existent sins that he let his religion overide his common sense.
2: Din still can't wield the Darksaber worth a damned
3: Even though Bo has issues with Dinn she still cares enough for a Mandalorian in danger to jump into action
4: When she gets to the planet she makes short work of the Not Neaderthals and Great Value General Greivous.
5: She wielded the Darksaber like a boss
6: She translated the Mando Language. You would think Din could read it
7: She saved Din from drowning.

Din is a very good guy. He has done heroic deeds. But being a good guy and doing Heroic deeds does not a Leader of Nations make. His over devotion to the creed caused him to make foolish decisions. And had he not violated it a few times in Season 2 Grogu would have never been rescued. The Creed is an ideology that hamstrings his faction of Mandalorians. And limits him for being the leader his people needs. Bo does not have such a limitation and was not distracted and mission focused on rescuing Din. Din would make a valuable Ally and good General of the Army but not the Mandalore.

That and after this episode I am officially thirsty for Bo. She has one banging body for sure. :sneaky::sneaky::p
 
Tbf, people have been thirsty for Katie Sackhoff since nBSG days, and she hasn't lost any of what made people like her.

it was kind of freaky how she was so effortlessly able to reprise her role in a live action setting...and then you realize that TCW bo Katan Was literally a digitized version of the actress and then it makes perfect sense. What I'm trying to figure out is what makes the mandolorian such a fluke from all the other live action SW shows.
 

Sailor.X

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it was kind of freaky how she was so effortlessly able to reprise her role in a live action setting...and then you realize that TCW bo Katan Was literally a digitized version of the actress and then it makes perfect sense. What I'm trying to figure out is what makes the mandolorian such a fluke from all the other live action SW shows.
Simple just like the Clone Wars Cartoon and the Bad Batch. The Mandalorian is Dave Filoni's baby.
 

ShadowArxxy

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I think this episode is fore shadowing Bo Katan becoming Mandalore.
1: Din was so focused on atoning for Non existent sins that he let his religion overide his common sense.
2: Din still can't wield the Darksaber worth a damned
3: Even though Bo has issues with Dinn she still cares enough for a Mandalorian in danger to jump into action
4: When she gets to the planet she makes short work of the Not Neaderthals and Great Value General Greivous.
5: She wielded the Darksaber like a boss
6: She translated the Mando Language. You would think Din could read it
7: She saved Din from drowning.

Din is a very good guy. He has done heroic deeds. But being a good guy and doing Heroic deeds does not a Leader of Nations make. His over devotion to the creed caused him to make foolish decisions. And had he not violated it a few times in Season 2 Grogu would have never been rescued. The Creed is an ideology that hamstrings his faction of Mandalorians. And limits him for being the leader his people needs. Bo does not have such a limitation and was not distracted and mission focused on rescuing Din. Din would make a valuable Ally and good General of the Army but not the Mandalore.

That and after this episode I am officially thirsty for Bo. She has one banging body for sure. :sneaky::sneaky::p

1. Din's religion is a little bit silly, but the thing is, the Children of the Watch literally saved his life and raised him into the man he is today. He's absolutely and utterly sincere about his beliefs and he isn't giving them up at the drop of a plot convenience. That's something I think deserves a lot of respect. Bo-Katan doesn't believe in the "silly religion"; she's also literally a useless, depressed lump of sitting around basking in her self-loathing.

(Perhaps she, Obi-Wan, and Yoda should start a club.)

2. Lightsabers are harder to use than it looks due to the massless blade, and the Darksaber is said to be *especially* tricky, doubly so for a non-Force user.

3. Yeah, she can stop being a depressed lump of useless when there's an actual mission on the table. She *does* care, it's just...without a specific goal, all she had to do was wallow in her failure.

4. Like she told Grogu, "Did you think your dad was the only Mandalorian?" She's very, VERY experienced and has top-of-the-line Mando gear.

5. Remember that Bo-Katan had it or the entire period of time between when she was given it in Rebels and when the Empire blew everything to hell. She's had a lot more time and opportunity to practice with it than Din has, *plus* more motive to actually do so, on top of being overall a much more experienced warrior than he is.

6. Bo was reading the plaque out loud while she was semi-sarcastically giving him the "grand tour", while Din was staring at the Living Waters. It's not that he couldn't read Mando'a, it's that he wasn't looking.

7. Because he was too busy having a sincere moment of awe to think through what he was doing, and he had NO idea the stairs dropped off so suddenly. (For that matter, Bo-Katan didn't seem to anticipate that being a thing, implying that the abrupt cut was due to collapse rather than it was always that way.)


And while your point about heroism doesn't necessarily make for good leadership, Bo-Katan has also made her own foolish decisions in plenty, including some that pretty much directly led to the most recent round of genocide against the Mandalorian people, and that's on top of her family's entire legitimacy as 'rulers of Mandalore' being extremely questionable in the first place.

House Kryze and the New Mandalorians were literally the puppet government put in place by the Republic specifically to finish the job of genocide that was kicked off by what even the Jedi euphemistically call 'the Excision'. The NMs were even the ones who set up the Jedi at Galidraan to murder off the True Mandalorians specifically because the TMs were starting to form a legitimate opposition, and at several points cooperated with Death Watch for the exact same reason.
 

ShadowArxxy

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The actress is in her 40s last I checked

Actress is in her early 40s, but given her presence in the Clone Wars, the character has to be substantially older.

The first time we see her is ~20 BBY, and at that point she's Vizla's right-hand woman in Death Watch, a role that wouldn't make sense for a freshly recruited teenager. So even assuming she's only in her twenties then, she can't be younger than fifty as of Mandalorian.

Moreover, Satine was already an adult political leader by 42 BBY, so she would be 70 if she hadn't died, and Bo-Katan doesn't appear to be THAT MUCH younger than her. From that, I'd argue that late fifties to early sixties is the most plausible age range for Bo-Katan here, she just wears it well and probably had access to the very best medical tech for her whole life.
 

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1. Din's religion is a little bit silly, but the thing is, the Children of the Watch literally saved his life and raised him into the man he is today. He's absolutely and utterly sincere about his beliefs and he isn't giving them up at the drop of a plot convenience. That's something I think deserves a lot of respect. Bo-Katan doesn't believe in the "silly religion"; she's also literally a useless, depressed lump of sitting around basking in her self-loathing.

(Perhaps she, Obi-Wan, and Yoda should start a club.)

2. Lightsabers are harder to use than it looks due to the massless blade, and the Darksaber is said to be *especially* tricky, doubly so for a non-Force user.

3. Yeah, she can stop being a depressed lump of useless when there's an actual mission on the table. She *does* care, it's just...without a specific goal, all she had to do was wallow in her failure.

4. Like she told Grogu, "Did you think your dad was the only Mandalorian?" She's very, VERY experienced and has top-of-the-line Mando gear.

5. Remember that Bo-Katan had it or the entire period of time between when she was given it in Rebels and when the Empire blew everything to hell. She's had a lot more time and opportunity to practice with it than Din has, *plus* more motive to actually do so, on top of being overall a much more experienced warrior than he is.

6. Bo was reading the plaque out loud while she was semi-sarcastically giving him the "grand tour", while Din was staring at the Living Waters. It's not that he couldn't read Mando'a, it's that he wasn't looking.

7. Because he was too busy having a sincere moment of awe to think through what he was doing, and he had NO idea the stairs dropped off so suddenly. (For that matter, Bo-Katan didn't seem to anticipate that being a thing, implying that the abrupt cut was due to collapse rather than it was always that way.)


And while your point about heroism doesn't necessarily make for good leadership, Bo-Katan has also made her own foolish decisions in plenty, including some that pretty much directly led to the most recent round of genocide against the Mandalorian people, and that's on top of her family's entire legitimacy as 'rulers of Mandalore' being extremely questionable in the first place.

House Kryze and the New Mandalorians were literally the puppet government put in place by the Republic specifically to finish the job of genocide that was kicked off by what even the Jedi euphemistically call 'the Excision'. The NMs were even the ones who set up the Jedi at Galidraan to murder off the True Mandalorians specifically because the TMs were starting to form a legitimate opposition, and at several points cooperated with Death Watch for the exact same reason.
The Watch are Maul Cultists. And the only one I trust is Dinn. They are also not very smart. Who has a Initiation Ceremony without checking out if it contains a smaller version of the Gators found in Bulls Swamp SC. These are not the people you want to rule all of Mandalore. And it is not Bo's Fault what happened to Mandalore. None other than Kreia predicted the Mandalorions would become a base nation. She saw what the Creed would eventually lead to. It is time for Mandlorians to chart a new path. Traditions are good but when traditons prevent you from adapting to a changing Galaxy. You have to rethink them.
 

Husky_Khan

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Second episode was okay. I was bored for the first half of it with the R5 antics and everything leading up to basically... Bo Katan rescuing Din Djarin and the very ending bit of course which itself seemed kinda odd. I was wondering if he was going to strip down or just douse himself full armor into the water. The fact that there's like a thousand foot dropoff a few steps into pool sounds like something worthy of a sign itself. Unless of course that feature wasn't a thing until recently.

I do dig Bo Katan in general and Katee Sackhoff's portrayal of her. Glad to see her doing something instead of moping on a Throne like in the last episode.

A lot of the Mandalorian Lore/Society bits seems pretty wonky overall. I'm kinda glad I didn't see a lot of it since I didn't watch the latter episodes of Clone Wars.
 

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The Watch are Maul Cultists. And the only one I trust is Dinn. They are also not very smart. Who has a Initiation Ceremony without checking out if it contains a smaller version of the Gators found in Bulls Swamp SC. These are not the people you want to rule all of Mandalore. And it is not Bo's Fault what happened to Mandalore. None other than Kreia predicted the Mandalorions would become a base nation. She saw what the Creed would eventually lead to. It is time for Mandlorians to chart a new path. Traditions are good but when traditons prevent you from adapting to a changing Galaxy. You have to rethink them.

No, the part where Bo-Katan was at fault was trusting the Rebel Alliance when the Republic and the Jedi have always been implacably hostile to Mandalore.

The last time Mandalore actually tried to focus on peace, the Republic came along after about 300 years of zero aggression from the Mandalorians and decided that Mandalore being prosperous constituted an inherent threat to the Republic and launched a preemptive genocide euphemistically referred to as "The Excision". The Jedi "protested" but ultimately fully participated in this genocide, which included large scale orbital bombardment of Mandalore.

Bo-Katan's family, Clan Kryze, subsequently rose to power as the leading collaborators with the puppet government the Republic placed over the survivors of the genocide, who sought to "finish the job" of wiping out their own people via cultural genocide and then joining the Republic. Bo-Katan herself was one of the ones who rebelled against this, but went to the other end of the crazy pendulum by joining the Death Watch terrorist movement
 

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The Watch are Maul Cultists.

That's a fanon theory at best, based on the horns on the Armorer's helmet. Nothing seen of the Children's actual theology shows any Sith influence. And Bo-Katan was literally the one who partnered Death Watch with Maul in the first place.
 

Zachowon

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That's a fanon theory at best, based on the horns on the Armorer's helmet. Nothing seen of the Children's actual theology shows any Sith influence. And Bo-Katan was literally the one who partnered Death Watch with Maul in the first place.
Uh what?
She was woth the Owls by that point
 

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