Wow...both of those ideas really suck.My guess they want to rotate it out to introduce a new series. From what I hear it's either the Section 31 series or the Star Fleet Academy one.
Not to mention the implication is that we're supposed to see Section 31 as the good guys.Their writers seem to have some very stupid ideas of what Section 31 is, first and foremost that everyone knows they exist, they have a badge to identify themselves, and that they operate openly.
The problem is that both pre and post Kurtzman canon has shown Federation/Starfleet leadership to be massive morons, so there's no valid counterargument that they aren't necessary or justified in their existence.Not to mention the implication is that we're supposed to see Section 31 as the good guys.
I assume competent CIA means RL CIA?The problem is that both pre and post Kurtzman canon has shown Federation/Starfleet leadership to be massive morons, so there's no valid counterargument that they aren't necessary or justified in their existence.
The problem with Section 31 outside of DS9 and Enterprise is that they're written by ideological hacks who are totally disconnected from the reality of the setting, so Section 31 is basically dumbass space CIA, instead of competent space CIA.
(Star Trek into Darkness is kind of weird in that the writers' intended reading of the film is Section 31 is the bad guys... but when you break down the timeline of events, everything Section 31 does post-Khan shooting up the meeting makes more sense as a reaction to some dumb decision Kirk makes. Kirk gives orders to go to Qo'nos, instead of stopping at the border and shooting the torpedoes? Cripple the ship so there's time to scramble the Vengeance. Kirk lies to Marcus and runs away, apparently in kahoots with Khan? Pursue and blow up the ship.)
No, RL CIA is on par with or far worse than even Kurtzman Section 31.I assume competent CIA means RL CIA?
The problem is we only ever hear about the CIAs screw ups.No, RL CIA is on par with or far worse than even Kurtzman Section 31.
Competent CIA refers to a hypothetical CIA that actually does their job with minimal collateral damage and actually effectively deals with threats to their country.
Also... WHERE WAS SECTION 31?!?!?!
There's probably an answer for that as well.
Roddenberry was literally dead at that point. Like, he died in 1991 or so, like 6-7 years before DS9 even introduced Section 31.Section 31 was first introduced in DS9, well after Rodenberry was relegated to a consultation role after Star Trek The Motion Picture (and TNG seasons 1 and 2).
Roddenberry was literally dead at that point. Like, he died in 1991 or so, like 6-7 years before DS9 even introduced Section 31.
TBH Rodenberry was too sugary where utopian ideals were concerned.Section 31 was first introduced in DS9, well after Rodenberry was relegated to a consultation role after Star Trek The Motion Picture (and TNG seasons 1 and 2). And even then, they were shown to be very morally grey at best, and outright antagonistic at worst, more often than leaning towards the latter too. They were very much...alien? Antithetical, to his idealized vision of the future as embodied by Star Trek.
The increasingly central and even necessarily evil role Section 31 has played in recent Star Trek media would have Rodenberry throwing a fit worse than his outrage over Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country. And I agree. I'll gladly admit I'm not the biggest fan of Roddenberry's idealized setting as realized in the first three seasons of TNG, but it's easily more palatable than the tripe that's Nu Trek and other recent Star Trek media.
TBH Rodenberry was too sugary where utopian ideals were concerned.
While it worked fine in TOS the early seasons of TNag were meh because of excessive preachyness.
DS9 made Trek more realistic and human.
Although it copied from B5, so obviously it would be darker than your normal trek.
Intolerance for genetic engineering goes back to TOS and "Space Seed", but the ridiculous punishments does go to Berman Trek and DS9.intolerance for genetic engineering