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Morphic Tide

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The problem, of course, is that the instant they make the misstep of putting it into law to "permanently" deal with all the alternatives that keep popping up, it's the court that is the arbiter of what is true and what is false, and thus Austin will be rapidly purged of all Leftoid leadership under seer mass of lawsuits. Possibly even California!

Like, seriously, if they try and weaponize libel and slander standards against right-wing political movements, they will have owned themselves. Because all their tools back bullshit readily disproven in court on a damned near religious basis.
 

S'task

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They'll say that lies don't fall under the first amendment, like how suing someone for libel doesn't restrict their free speech. After all, you don't need to protect speech that is a lie.
They'll say that, but the courts have already made the determination that lies are protected speech, see, for instance US v Alvarez where the Stolen Valor act was deemed unconstitutional on those grounds.

Yeah, forcing the Federal government to pass laws governing speech on the internet in the end means that we go back to the wild west days of the Internet, as the 1st Amendment is broad and gives no fucks about corporate woke culture. It will just take a while for the Court cases to get hammered out.

And I do mean wild west days, bear in mind that the Supreme Court has already ruled that activities that many would consider "threats" online, fall under protected speech (see: Elonis v US. And when it comes to political speech, getting the Federal government directly involved is only going to backfire dramatically...

In other words, Facebook may well be trying a long play here that simultaneously gets the censors off its back while effectively killing the censors.
 

Husky_Khan

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I would like to reiterate what I said earlier this thread: they are just as bad as the others

I'd just like to iterate that's a POWERFUL counterargument. Its been extremely worthwhile exchanging ideas with you here. Thanks :poop:. 😛
 

Sobek

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Such a fucking obvious astroturfed push. Zucc has outlived his usefulness and now they wanna play the "we are the honest and pure media unlike evil right wing terrorist hotspot facebook".

It'd disgusting.
 

Rocinante

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Such a fucking obvious astroturfed push. Zucc has outlived his usefulness and now they wanna play the "we are the honest and pure media unlike evil right wing terrorist hotspot facebook".

It'd disgusting.
No, Facebook is behind this. They probably arranged for the whistleblower and everything.

That's why they are now using this to call for the government to regulate social media.

Do you know what a burden it would be for websites to have to moderate EVERYTHING?

Only behemoths like Facebook could afford this. This would put any new startups or smaller alternatives out of the question. Even twitter, who are big but much smaller than FB might not be able to keep up.

It might be costly short term but it would grant them a monopoly.

This is all part of the plan.
 

Battlegrinder

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No, Facebook is behind this. They probably arranged for the whistleblower and everything.

That's why they are now using this to call for the government to regulate social media.

Do you know what a burden it would be for websites to have to moderate EVERYTHING?

Only behemoths like Facebook could afford this. This would put any new startups or smaller alternatives out of the question. Even twitter, who are big but much smaller than FB might not be able to keep up.

It might be costly short term but it would grant them a monopoly.

This is all part of the plan.

I don't think FB would try to induce regulation by setting up a fake whistle-blower that's an obvious partisan hack pushing an equally obvious false narrative, it's too easily seen through, and indeed has been seen through repeatedly.
 

Rocinante

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I don't think FB would try to induce regulation by setting up a fake whistle-blower that's an obvious partisan hack pushing an equally obvious false narrative, it's too easily seen through, and indeed has been seen through repeatedly.
Honestly I don't think "too easily seen through," is going to stop these people from doing anything, because they think they'll get away with it anyways. Even if everyone sees through it.

The left and corporations have got away with so much already. All they need is the thinnest cover story imaginable and they tend to get away with whatever they want.
 

Husky_Khan

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Do you know what a burden it would be for websites to have to moderate EVERYTHING?

Only behemoths like Facebook could afford this. This would put any new startups or smaller alternatives out of the question. Even twitter, who are big but much smaller than FB might not be able to keep up.

Yes we do because like... Battlegrinder literally posted as much in this very thread from Greenwald's Substack two days ago?

Glenn Greenwald said:
Far from threatening Facebook and Google, such a legal change could be the greatest gift one can give them, which is why their executives are often seen calling on Congress to regulate the social media industry. Any legal scheme that requires every post and comment to be moderated would demand enormous resources — gigantic teams of paid experts and consultants to assess "misinformation” and "hate speech” and veritable armies of employees to carry out their decrees. Only the established giants such as Facebook and Google would be able to comply with such a regimen, while other competitors — including large but still-smaller ones such as Twitter — would drown in those requirements. And still-smaller challengers to the hegemony of Facebook and Google, such as Substack and Rumble, could never survive. In other words, any attempt by Congress to impose greater content moderation obligations — which is exactly what they are threatening — would destroy whatever possibility remains for competitors to arise and would, in particular, destroy any platforms seeking to protect free discourse. That would be the consequence by design, which is why one should be very wary of any attempt to pretend that Facebook and Google fear such legislative adjustments.

At least ya know... credit the idea that you read.

No, Facebook is behind this. They probably arranged for the whistleblower and everything.

That's why they are now using this to call for the government to regulate social media.

It might be costly short term but it would grant them a monopoly.

This is all part of the plan.

Facebook doesn't need to fake a whistleblower to get Congress to push regulations. Imagine how fucking (more) stupid Facebook would look by planting their own Whistleblower and elevating them up to the National News circuit and Congressional Hearings and it comes out she's a plant.

Unless of course... lemme guess... Congress and the National News Media are in on it.... except for Apple of course since they loathe Facebook. And Twitter since they're smaller and the presumed target. And the Republicans I suppose. And any right leaning media because they might run with the story. And anything smaller then Facebook that's a potential competitor... keep it secret from them as well. :unsure:

Obviously Facebook wants to secure as much of a market share as it can like every other Big Tech (or not Big Tech) company wants to. But Facebook has been vapidly calling for the government to regulate social media for literal years now to the point it's formulaically generic. That doesn't make them the same as the other companies filled with progressive libtards that want to enact sweeping left wing social change in this country... like every other f'ing Big Tech company out there, that just makes them another asshole liberal company as I literally stated originally and which you ignored so you could mindlessly reiterate nothingness.

Like just last Monday the deduction was that this whistleblower and the Facebook crash were linked (which actually seemed like a pretty glowie possibility to me) but now we're going with the new conspiracy of it's a fake whistleblower whose going to give that extra push of Facebook into monopolistic glory? Shudder to think what the new twist on this saga will be in another four or five days! Maybe by next week the hypothesis is that Facebook hacked itself AND faked the whistleblower to maximize the impact of the latter for this juicy long term gain. Maybe they'll get a too big to fail bailout loan as well.

I actually think it's more along Sobek's line of reasoning. It's astroturf to cut Facebook down and amplify more cooperative and progressive Big Tech companies like Google/YouTube, Twitter, Apple and Scamazon. Facebook has been babbling about making rules for the internet for years, not because I feel they actually give a fuck about internet freedom or lack thereof but because they are interested in crony capitalism bucks like a good money making company should be. But Zuckerberg has been far too foot dragging in spite of this, which is why the Libtards in the newsmedia and Congress constantly hangarangue Facebook for having the gall of allowing political ads, boomercons, and allowing more right wing users to exist and operate on their platform then equivalent platforms like Twitter even if they do engage in similar prohibitive practices (though again to a lesser degree and with less zeal I feel). The Libs wanna boot out the intransient leadership in Facebook and make it a nice solidly left leaning platform, fully regulated and with views matching the D+40 user content that Twitter already exhibits.
 

Rocinante

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Yes we do because like... Battlegrinder literally posted as much in this very thread from Greenwald's Substack two days ago?



At least ya know... credit the idea that you read.



Facebook doesn't need to fake a whistleblower to get Congress to push regulations. Imagine how fucking (more) stupid Facebook would look by planting their own Whistleblower and elevating them up to the National News circuit and Congressional Hearings and it comes out she's a plant.

Unless of course... lemme guess... Congress and the National News Media are in on it.... except for Apple of course since they loathe Facebook. And Twitter since they're smaller and the presumed target. And the Republicans I suppose. And any right leaning media because they might run with the story. And anything smaller then Facebook that's a potential competitor... keep it secret from them as well. :unsure:

Obviously Facebook wants to secure as much of a market share as it can like every other Big Tech (or not Big Tech) company wants to. But Facebook has been vapidly calling for the government to regulate social media for literal years now to the point it's formulaically generic. That doesn't make them the same as the other companies filled with progressive libtards that want to enact sweeping left wing social change in this country... like every other f'ing Big Tech company out there, that just makes them another asshole liberal company as I literally stated originally and which you ignored so you could mindlessly reiterate nothingness.

Like just last Monday the deduction was that this whistleblower and the Facebook crash were linked (which actually seemed like a pretty glowie possibility to me) but now we're going with the new conspiracy of it's a fake whistleblower whose going to give that extra push of Facebook into monopolistic glory? Shudder to think what the new twist on this saga will be in another four or five days! Maybe by next week the hypothesis is that Facebook hacked itself AND faked the whistleblower to maximize the impact of the latter for this juicy long term gain. Maybe they'll get a too big to fail bailout loan as well.

I actually think it's more along Sobek's line of reasoning. It's astroturf to cut Facebook down and amplify more cooperative and progressive Big Tech companies like Google/YouTube, Twitter, Apple and Scamazon. Facebook has been babbling about making rules for the internet for years, not because I feel they actually give a fuck about internet freedom or lack thereof but because they are interested in crony capitalism bucks like a good money making company should be. But Zuckerberg has been far too foot dragging in spite of this, which is why the Libtards in the newsmedia and Congress constantly hangarangue Facebook for having the gall of allowing political ads, boomercons, and allowing more right wing users to exist and operate on their platform then equivalent platforms like Twitter even if they do engage in similar prohibitive practices (though again to a lesser degree and with less zeal I feel). The Libs wanna boot out the intransient leadership in Facebook and make it a nice solidly left leaning platform, fully regulated and with views matching the D+40 user content that Twitter already exhibits.
For the record, I ignored you because even though you bring up good points that I don't think are unreasonable, that are at least worth discussing, you're being kind of a douchebag about it, so I didn't really feel like engaging with you.

Now if I was a douchebag too, then I'll take the first step and apologize. I'm sorry.

You willing to do so as well? Because we could be having a worthwhile discussion, if we weren't acting like assholes to each other.
 
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