CarlManvers2019
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Like the Qunari from Dragon Age, the ideal socialist society without an upper class and requires people to actually work and be fit for the job?
The Consoomer Menace
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Like the Qunari from Dragon Age, the ideal socialist society without an upper class and requires people to actually work and be fit for the job?
CarlManvers2019
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I think you guys already had people sorta averting the whole being a “consoomer” thing and ironically they’re the SJW types who don’t consume the products they make and push and also have an obsession with looking like revolutionaries
Thing is, deep down they probably don’t truly enjoy or believe in it and aren’t really planning on actually devoting themselves to righting any actual wrongs
Thing is, deep down they probably don’t truly enjoy or believe in it and aren’t really planning on actually devoting themselves to righting any actual wrongs
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More than that-you have to get them to want to do that job and contribute to the greater society.
Why do people engage in debasing hedonism?
Because believe it or not-work sucks. Going to work in a 9-5 cubical so your boss and his boss and the CEO can make a grand amount of money, is crushing by itself. People wouldn’t indulge in hedonistic distractions and consumerism if their day to day lives meaningfully affected or benefited them beyond a pay check.
Community does that-but we run into the fact that people don’t even really conceive the world in communal terms anymore. But in terms of I. Not we, I.
Everyone wishes to lead their own lives, ironically a society that promotes individualism as the highest virtue and desire leads to society fragmenting and collapsing.
And if you ask most people, really truly want their response-they won’t wish to go to an era where their lives, behavior, and future was dictated by either their parents, church or the state.
Why do people engage in debasing hedonism?
Because believe it or not-work sucks. Going to work in a 9-5 cubical so your boss and his boss and the CEO can make a grand amount of money, is crushing by itself. People wouldn’t indulge in hedonistic distractions and consumerism if their day to day lives meaningfully affected or benefited them beyond a pay check.
Community does that-but we run into the fact that people don’t even really conceive the world in communal terms anymore. But in terms of I. Not we, I.
Everyone wishes to lead their own lives, ironically a society that promotes individualism as the highest virtue and desire leads to society fragmenting and collapsing.
And if you ask most people, really truly want their response-they won’t wish to go to an era where their lives, behavior, and future was dictated by either their parents, church or the state.
CarlManvers2019
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Family can also be something that sucks to be around too
That said, you got guys already sorta deciding not to engage in the same hedonisms....because they’re too busy being a bunch of “compassionate” narcissists(the SJW types)
If you’re gonna turn away from hedonism, do NOT simply to devote yourself to some cult, one of religion and one of ideology
Actually look for problems that you know are real and try fixing those in smart ways, like doing charity
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Aleister Crowley-occultist and fiend that he was-summed up the ethos of modern society much better than just about anyone else.
“Do as thou wilt, that be shall be the whole of the law”.
If given the choice-people will choose their own wants and desires over submission to something larger than themselves, even if it leads eventually to their own destruction.
Of course this isn’t everybody, and people’s lives can be transformed from this mindset-but most everybody will prefer me, over we, or you.
“Do as thou wilt, that be shall be the whole of the law”.
If given the choice-people will choose their own wants and desires over submission to something larger than themselves, even if it leads eventually to their own destruction.
Of course this isn’t everybody, and people’s lives can be transformed from this mindset-but most everybody will prefer me, over we, or you.
Certified_Heterosexual
The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
Or just find a hobby that requires you to work with your hands and build something in the real world.
This isn't groundbreaking stuff. Or it shouldn't be. I don't want to create a Department of Otaku Affairs where jackbooted thugs break down nerds' doors and force them to lift weights. I just want people to do something with their lives other than endlessly feed from the trough filled by companies who literally hate them and want them to be as helpless and compliant as possible.
This isn't groundbreaking stuff. Or it shouldn't be. I don't want to create a Department of Otaku Affairs where jackbooted thugs break down nerds' doors and force them to lift weights. I just want people to do something with their lives other than endlessly feed from the trough filled by companies who literally hate them and want them to be as helpless and compliant as possible.
CarlManvers2019
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Really? I think people over time are guys who want to engage in “collectivist” cults and follow a sort of constant feeling of righteousness of the majority
They want some “greater good” and some leader
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What is real my friend? What is the world? For most people, the real world is miserable, disappointing and perennially unsatisfying. Perhaps even outright torturous.
A hobby won’t change that fundamental problem.
CarlManvers2019
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Joining a bunch of dumb terrorists in the desert seens to be the solution apparently
Or becoming a socialist
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Or praying fervently that Jesus Christ will come soon. The trumpet will sound, the dead shall rise, the last judgment be summoned.
The blessed go to eternal life and the
wicked to everlasting hellfire.
The earth will burn with fervent heat, and the heavens be rolled up as a scroll.
That’s about the only hope we got now.
The blessed go to eternal life and the
wicked to everlasting hellfire.
The earth will burn with fervent heat, and the heavens be rolled up as a scroll.
That’s about the only hope we got now.
CarlManvers2019
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Christianity or Catholicism? Nah, too “conservative” and “old”
Go be a Muslim instead, more “exotic” and “diverse” and you get told what to do by your abusive husbands and are restricted from eating pork and drinking wine and get brutally punished for it and you listen to crazy old men who believe that cars affect ovaries
In short they probably want someone to be more controlling and repressive over them. Maybe because they don’t have much hobbies or stuff they enjoy or goals in life to begin with, so they just want to be a follower, followers to those most likely to give the most orders
Certified_Heterosexual
The Falklands are Serbian, you cowards.
something something strong horse weak horse
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I was speaking absolutely literally.
Islam will undoubtedly prevail over hedonistic empty Europe.
CarlManvers2019
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Yup, there’s a lack of fanatacism and overt devoteness to modern followers of Christ
And when it comes to even hedonism, people aren’t so devoted even to that, they won’t fight for it
Then, perhaps it is better to have a richer concept of individualism? Not just doing as one wants, but tying to it, concepts such as self-improvement, self-mastery, self-sufficiency, proper balance of love for self and love for the other, and the understanding the man is a political animal. I think it is not a problem with individualism itself, but that our understanding of it has become debased.
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All fair and good.
But how do you plan about enriching individualism and ingraining in people’s world views at a subconscious and civilizational level?
CarlManvers2019
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“True, but the difference is that we do not fear you because we know how far we can push you. You love your quiet and your vacations to Mykonos and your pornography and your pils, but you won’t fight for them, not if we don’t push you too far. Not even those revanchists out in the countryside that you cannot control. They only fight when we go to them. You Germans fear us. That’s why I am here. You fear me and mine and wish to continue our truce, our hudna.”
This quote from a book I read sums it up
If you won’t fight for your hedonism, then you can’t even keep that
Decadence isn’t just hedonism, it’s losing that will and thought that keeps a person on his feet and willing to fight or correct problems instead of just letting them lie around
God, even Conan drinks alcohol and enjoys women and still has more brains than the average decadent civilized person who enjoys that stuff
Now, that is a problem. I would wager teaching civics in school again might help some with that to one degree or another. I'd also say popularizing that message in the media. Find a way to make the classics more accessible. Though, I'd wager that fixing some of the problems demoralizing people would help too, if people can take ownership and pride in their work it might help.
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These fine warriors of the crescent would passionately disagree.
Islam is indeed a false view of God, and offers a salvation based on works. But no one can deny, it inspires greater devotion and passion, than modern Christianity and certainly more than the spiritual void that encompasses modern Europe.
CarlManvers2019
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These fine warriors of the crescent would passionately disagree.
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Islam is indeed a false view of God, and offers a salvation based on works. But no one can deny, it inspires greater devotion and passion, than modern Christianity and certainly more than the spiritual void that encompasses modern Europe.
Whether atheistic or religious, you need people devoted to righting wrongs
BUT being smart and introspective about it