United States Texas shooting: Fifteen killed in attack on US Elementary School


And here's some official receipts:

Granted the amounts aren't amazingly high there. At least one was earmarked "Impeach" and another "For Beto."
we need to publicize this all over the internet

and start a rebellion if we can
 
the fact that the left jumped at it and the fact that the police specifically waited for the shooter to do his work is proof that the operation was planned, at from the police side.
Never underestimate government incompetence. This isn't new, it's just the first time you are hearing about it.

For example, there was a crazed person stabbing people in subways in NYC. Cops were put (hidden) in the subway's control cabin specifically to find and arrest him. He shows up in the subway, and starts stabbing people. The cops see this, and watch a guy have to fight him off with his bare hands right outside the door. They stay behind the locked door and watch, doing nothing. The guy gets massively injured, subdues the suspect without the cops help. He loses his lawsuit, and nothing happens to the cops.
 
Why are they so negligent? Don't they know what could happen to them if caught?
They know exactly what will happen to them: nothing. They can't be sued because of qualified immunity. If they got a union contract (likely), they likely can't even be fired. They likely can't even be suspended without pay. They are right now probably prevented from even releasing the names of the cops, so even if they do clean house, they'll just move and get rehired.
 
They know exactly what will happen to them: nothing. They can't be sued because of qualified immunity. If they got a union contract (likely), they likely can't even be fired. They likely can't even be suspended without pay. They are right now probably prevented from even releasing the names of the cops, so even if they do clean house, they'll just move and get rehired.
The chief is the biggest problem. DHS and BP did more
 
They know exactly what will happen to them: nothing. They can't be sued because of qualified immunity. If they got a union contract (likely), they likely can't even be fired. They likely can't even be suspended without pay. They are right now probably prevented from even releasing the names of the cops, so even if they do clean house, they'll just move and get rehired.
Just like Lincoln's bodyguard then.
 
Wow...that's just...geeze.

Stupidity in action. May be the greatest guy in the world, but it now looks like he's just getting there under cover of darkness.

No good will come of that decision tree.
The UCISD Police Chief (who's currently a member of the Uvalde City Council) has been put on leave of absence I think.
 
The chief is the biggest problem. DHS and BP did more
No, each and every cop who obeyed orders to keep out parents would be convicted for aiding and abetting in a perfectly just world. In a functioning world, they would have been fired already.

Just like Lincoln's bodyguard then.
Just like every cop for at least 50 or so years. Other than the number of dead children, what's happening in Uvalde isn't special, it's normal. This is 100% what I expected to happen, because this is what happens 100% of the time.
 
No, each and every cop who obeyed orders to keep out parents would be convicted for aiding and abetting in a perfectly just world. In a functioning world, they would have been fired already.


Just like every cop for at least 50 or so years. Other than the number of dead children, what's happening in Uvalde isn't special, it's normal. This is 100% what I expected to happen, because this is what happens 100% of the time.
They still can be.
Because the certifying agency for state Law Enforcement can revoke them as cops....
 
Just like every cop for at least 50 or so years. Other than the number of dead children, what's happening in Uvalde isn't special, it's normal. This is 100% what I expected to happen, because this is what happens 100% of the time.
Is that because they didn't get shown in public to shock them into action?
 
They still can be.
Because the certifying agency for state Law Enforcement can revoke them as cops....
They won't be though. I'll bet you any amount of money they keep their jobs unless an election overthrows the Uvalde county everything.

Is that because they didn't get shown in public to shock them into action?
Shock who, the public or the cops? The public is shown their horrors, and is sometimes called to action, but the left race baits them into making it racial in an attempt to turn justified anger towards blowing up society. The right sees this, and decides that since the left hates them, all cops are good, even the shitty ones, and make all manner of apologia for them. And thus a movement about reforming police again becomes a racebaiting stupidity war, time and again. But usually some small progress is made.


That progress is then destroyed by the cancer that is a police union. It will always advocate for cops (fair enough). But the issue is the people they are arguing with: local bureaucrats who can change the law far easier than the state house or feds. The bureaucrats don't have proper skin in the game, cause the cops will never come down on them. Second, they aren't negotiating against the police unions, but with them against the taxpayer, as the union vote is strong.

So they'll promise pay raises with other peoples money, just like teacher's unions. But then, if that gets too expensive, they also negotiate with new laws to benefit police, including use of force guidelines, paying for lawyers for cops, paying cops salaries even after they are convicted for killing a man, ways to not release names to the public to shield bad cops from embarrassment, bullshit review boards that always find in cops favor or are hamstrung by impossible odds, etc.


And on top of this is the problem with qualified immunity. If you've watched Tucker on this, Tucker lied to you. Yes, shocker, the media lies. Qualified immunity doesn't just shield cops acting in good faith. It shields every cop, even those who know what they are doing is wrong, if a near exact match for the case hasn't been seen yet.

Okay, beating a prisoner to death is established as wrong in this jurisdiction, but what if he appears to resist? New fact pattern, qualified immunity, and the judge doesn't even have to rule whether it violated the constitution for future crimes. So knowing leaving a person in a sewage swamped jail for days? Not established as cruel and unusual, so no ruling. There are countless cases like this. Each one it's own mini horror. And judges do nothing despite a law specifically saying state agents are liable for doing this. Instead, SCOTUS made up an exception from whole cloth for them.

And even once we get past qualified immunity, a cop has no duty to save you or help you if it involves putting his life at risk. IMO that is bullshit. Yes, a person has no such duty, but when taking a government job, one frequently signs over rights and accepts a duty as part and parcel of taking the job. Taking some jobs means that you can't share government secrets, which willingly signs away your first amendment rights. You waive them in order to take the job. Why not do the same with cops?
 
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They won't be though. I'll bet you any amount of money they keep their jobs unless an election overthrows the Uvalde county everything.

This is shit that the death penalty ought to be on the table over, for everyone involved even the public relations officers who carried water for them.

Government employees and public servants ought to live with an eternal sword of damocles over their heads, Hayek and Rand were absolutely right about that, whatever you wanna criticize them over. This level of..naked criminal negligence (and that's assuming they weren't acting under orders from the FBI.) should be met with an extreme response.

Just like every cop for at least 50 or so years. Other than the number of dead children, what's happening in Uvalde isn't special, it's normal. This is 100% what I expected to happen, because this is what happens 100% of the time.

And even the, this body count is nothing compared to the FBI's HRT who famously incinerated the wrong Compton crackhouse and torched a bunch of kids to say nothing of theirs and the ATF's baby killing at Waco.
 
This is shit that the death penalty ought to be on the table over, for everyone involved even the public relations officers who carried water for them.

Government employees and public servants ought to live with an eternal sword of damocles over their heads, Hayek and Rand were absolutely right about that, whatever you wanna criticize them over. This level of..naked criminal negligence (and that's assuming they weren't acting under orders from the FBI.) should be met with an extreme response.
It's not the negligence that deserves death. Sadly, they didn't sign a document or swear a binding oath that they would protect people on pain of death. So I can't see a moral way to punish them for this, because the police oaths are so weak (which is it's own problem, that should be a thing). What they should be executed for is what they did do: prevent people from helping. That's aiding and abetting murder if I ever saw it.

Basically, it's not fair to hide the sword of Damocles from the person. It needs to be visible, predictable, and consented to for its falling to be just. But what they did goes far beyond negligence.
 
Shock who, the public or the cops? The public is shown their horrors, and is sometimes called to action, but the left race baits them into making it racial in an attempt to turn justified anger towards blowing up society. The right sees this, and decides that since the left hates them, all cops are good, even the shitty ones, and make all manner of apologia for them. And thus a movement about reforming police again becomes a racebaiting stupidity war, time and again. But usually some small progress is made.


That progress is then destroyed by the cancer that is a police union. It will always advocate for cops (fair enough). But the issue is the people they are arguing with: local bureaucrats who can change the law far easier than the state house or feds. The bureaucrats don't have proper skin in the game, cause the cops will never come down on them. Second, they aren't negotiating against the police unions, but with them against the taxpayer, as the union vote is strong.

So they'll promise pay raises with other peoples money, just like teacher's unions. But then, if that gets too expensive, they also negotiate with new laws to benefit police, including use of force guidelines, paying for lawyers for cops, paying cops salaries even after they are convicted for killing a man, ways to not release names to the public to shield bad cops from embarrassment, bullshit review boards that always find in cops favor or are hamstrung by impossible odds, etc.


And on top of this is the problem with qualified immunity. If you've watched Tucker on this, Tucker lied to you. Yes, shocker, the media lies. Qualified immunity doesn't just shield cops acting in good faith. It shields every cop, even those who know what they are doing is wrong, if a near exact match for the case hasn't been seen yet.

Okay, beating a prisoner to death is established as wrong in this jurisdiction, but what if he appears to resist? New fact pattern, qualified immunity, and the judge doesn't even have to rule whether it violated the constitution for future crimes. So knowing leaving a person in a sewage swamped jail for days? Not established as cruel and unusual, so no ruling. There are countless cases like this. Each one it's own mini horror. And judges do nothing despite a law specifically saying state agents are liable for doing this. Instead, SCOTUS made up an exception from whole cloth for them.

And even once we get past qualified immunity, a cop has no duty to save you or help you if it involves putting his life at risk. IMO that is bullshit. Yes, a person has no such duty, but when taking a government job, one frequently signs over rights and accepts a duty as part and parcel of taking the job. Taking some jobs means that you can't share government secrets, which willingly signs away your first amendment rights. You waive them in ord
If that momentum keeps getting worse that public if some elements still have back the blue sympathies also get affected as part of the backlash will see some more consequences to it even as others do a better job than this branch that fucked the pooch.
 
If that momentum keeps getting worse that public if some elements still have back the blue sympathies also get affected as part of the backlash will see some more consequences to it even as others do a better job than this branch that fucked the pooch.
It did get worse. It was called the BLM movement. Look where it started, and where it ended up.
 

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