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LTR

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Looks like a T-55... which can penetrate an Abrams via the good ol' surprise buttsex method and not much else... and good luck in getting into position to do said surprise buttsex...


Ah, Battletech has some pretty sensible tank designs despite the system making tanks not as capable. In this case, say hello to the Gürteltier, or as I like to call the 'Guert'. The standard variant is armed with a gauss rifle, an IS ERPPC, a Multi-Missile Launcher 7, and three machineguns for pesky infantry with all the explosive ammo located in CASE bins. Oh, it has a targeting computer, a C3 Slave system, and an ECM suite, you know just for kicks.

As some of my fellow Battletech players said when I showed up with two of them, they said they were disgusting (in Alpha Strike, it has 12 armor pips, 5 structural pips, and deals 4 damage at all ranges).

There was a mission in Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries where you have to support a group of Mutineers fighting the Draconis Combine and since it was early in the game, you didn't really have the best mechs. But in one mission 'Crystal Storm' your job was to find a four Assault Lance of Draconis mechs and lure them into the range of three Heavy Artillery Tanks.

Armored vehicles in general up to that point were basically pathetic targets so I wondered just how good these Heavy Artillery Tanks were... and since I was a good Mercenary, I certainly didn't want to risk extra damage to my own mech, much less needlessly expose myself to danger. So as soon as we baited the Assault Lance of mechs into the range of the three artillery tanks, I safely fled a few hundred meters away and watched as these "Heavy Artillery Tanks' lobbed huge ass missiles and PPC's at the Assault Lance and absolutely shredded them, turning them from blue to yellow to KABOOM in a span of minutes.

And it was like the only mission they ever showed up in. Those things kicked ass! No wonder they keep them secret, it'd ruin the whole Mechwarrior thing if you had ugly fat squat tanks rumbling about three shotting assault mechs all the time.

Thanks to Youtube I even found a playthrough of the mission. This person was braver (stupider) then I of course.



But yeah, those tanks (whatever models they might've been) were fugly. The graphics of the time certainly didn't do them any favors either.
 

PsihoKekec

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Some T-55 upgrades also feature gun launched missiles, so they can do long range ambushes as well, if the Abrams crew is unable to utilize superior electronics (Saudis come to mind).
 

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I think there are some modern upgrades to the thing that make it possible, some of the modernized t-55s are barely recognizable as such.

And a 100 mm gun is still a pretty big gun, so likely not fun to get hit with.

So, assuming comparable crew and not grossly different on some upgrades (for example, if their optics are in similar classes of at least tech level) it's probably a closer fight than one would assume given the age difference. The T 55 really is a fairly solid tank design.

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There was the Iraqi T-55 Enigma variant which apparently uparmoured it somewhat but even the AW wiki is scathing about the effectiveness of that.

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The T-54/55 Medium Tank family is, without a doubt, one of the most iconic armored vehicles of all times. Throughout the Cold War, even with the appearance of much more modern vehicles, its distinctive silhouette remained one of the symbols of Soviet armored might. It was widely exported and used by dozens of countries and even though it was already quite obsolete by the 1970s, it received numerous upgrades and continues to serve in some countries to this day, participating in many (if not most) third world conflicts.

Iraq in particular acquired a large number of T-55s throughout the years, even though tracking the exact numbers is very difficult. According to the most common account, Iraq purchased 300 T-55 tanks in 1973 following the Yom Kippur war losses with roughly more 1500 tanks of the same type acquired from Poland and the Soviet Union as well as from other smaller sources in the 1980s along with 1500 more Chinese Type 59 and Type 69 tanks. A large number of these tanks were, once again, lost during the Iran-Iraq war that took place between 1980 and 1988 and by the end of the conflict, the country, albeit undefeated, was seriously weakened with much of its modern equipment lost to the Iranians.

With its budgets depleted and most of its modern tanks gone, Iraq decided to upgrade its aging T-55s on a budget, fitting them with an indigenous armor kit. This armor kit, consisting of massive armor boxes, was clearly inspired by the Warsaw Pact M-series armor upgrades. The boxes of this set consisted of angled aluminum plates (15mm), steel plates (4mm) and rubber plates (5mm) on top of each other, separated by approximately 25mm gaps of air. Five or six such composite plates formed the inside of the turret armor boxes made of 5mm steel plates.

The official designation of this tank is unknown, although some sources state that they were called “Al Faw” by the Iraqis. The T-55 Enigma name is unofficial and likely appeared only after Operation Desert Storm when the news of these tanks started arriving in the west and nobody really knew what they were looking at (an enigma). All the Enigmas built were likely lost during Operation Desert Storm. As combat vehicles, these tanks were quite useless. At least five Enigmas are confirmed to have been knocked out by the Coalition forces and were subsequently recovered as military trophies. The most famous one is currently located in Bovington. "
 

Zachowon

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Let's be clear.
A north Korean T-54/55.
They have domestically built ones.
 

ATP

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It would depend on the round it is using too.
And yes it is a T-54/55
If i remembered correctly,soviet T.55 could fire AT missile from its gun.But i wonder,if it could kill Abrams.Even guided AT missiles from soviet T.80 had problem with it.
 

Zachowon

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If i remembered correctly,soviet T.55 could fire AT missile from its gun.But i wonder,if it could kill Abrams.Even guided AT missiles from soviet T.80 had problem with it.
I honestly don't know, the question is, can the North Korean one
 

Vargas Fan

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I thought the T-64 was the first Soviet tank that started with the gun launched ATGM's, or maybe the T-62 as it had a different gun from the T-55 series.
 

ATP

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I thought the T-64 was the first Soviet tank that started with the gun launched ATGM's, or maybe the T-62 as it had a different gun from the T-55 series.
I read that they made it for 125mm and 100mm guns,but not for 115mm/T.62/
 

Aaron Fox

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Anything that kills a 'Mech is illegal in BT. At a minimum, greatly nerfed.
Not really. Most of the lighter tanks are either scout tanks or something to be spammed. Once you hit the higher end mediums and into the heavies and assault class... do not underestimate them. For example, Pattons and Rommels are nasty no matter what you're playing with. Also, in-universe no one -even clan assault stars- doesn't want to go up against a dropship, especially if it is something like a Union class. Despite what Mechwarrior will tell you, Dropships and tanks are no joke.
There was a mission in Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries where you have to support a group of Mutineers fighting the Draconis Combine and since it was early in the game, you didn't really have the best mechs. But in one mission 'Crystal Storm' your job was to find a four Assault Lance of Draconis mechs and lure them into the range of three Heavy Artillery Tanks.

Armored vehicles in general up to that point were basically pathetic targets so I wondered just how good these Heavy Artillery Tanks were... and since I was a good Mercenary, I certainly didn't want to risk extra damage to my own mech, much less needlessly expose myself to danger. So as soon as we baited the Assault Lance of mechs into the range of the three artillery tanks, I safely fled a few hundred meters away and watched as these "Heavy Artillery Tanks' lobbed huge ass missiles and PPC's at the Assault Lance and absolutely shredded them, turning them from blue to yellow to KABOOM in a span of minutes.

And it was like the only mission they ever showed up in. Those things kicked ass! No wonder they keep them secret, it'd ruin the whole Mechwarrior thing if you had ugly fat squat tanks rumbling about three shotting assault mechs all the time.

Thanks to Youtube I even found a playthrough of the mission. This person was braver (stupider) then I of course.



But yeah, those tanks (whatever models they might've been) were fugly. The graphics of the time certainly didn't do them any favors either.

I remember a series of missions in Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries where you have to deal with a convoy route. A first it's the normal light 'mechs and Bulldogs but later they start throwing Myrmidons at you and on the last mission of this series it has you going up against a tank force (with some 'mech support) that makes you shit your pants if you're a tabletop player. Myrmidons and Demolisher IIs out the ass...
 

Doomsought

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The real issue its that CV's have to spend extra tonnage on fusion reactors and can't use double heat sinks, which makes them incapable of using energy weapons to the same degree as mechs.
 

JagerIV

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looking at it, the 1960s discarding sabot round they made for the T-55 could get to about 300 mm penetration at 2,000 m, though assuming somewhat ideal angle. So, not really capable of penetrating anywhere in the front, I think it can more or less penetrate anywhere from the side, within the range limit. I couldn't really find anything about newer rounds for the 100 mm gun. I think the USSR mostly switched after that time to the 125 mm, and stopped developing rounds for it, and foreign sources which did keep upgrading the T-55 seems actually like to replace it with the British 105 mm. Like the Egyptian Ramses II.

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Bangladesh seems to be able to squeeze a 125 mm gun into the thing while only increasing the weight by like 4 tons. How well it can take such a bigger gun I have no idea. I'm not sure how much bigger the 125 mm is objectively however.

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PsihoKekec

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I read that they made it for 125mm and 100mm guns,but not for 115mm/T.62/
There was a soviet T-62 upgrade which allowed it to use the same gun launched missiles as T-55 used, the rounds had a liner attached, so they could be loaded into the gun. Russians were still using that variant during 2008 Georgian war.
 
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While there are some flubs, this is a pretty good account of why the US went with the turbine in the M1 series instead of a diesel... just don't look in the comments because the level of MIC Conspiracy nonsense in there is stupid.
 

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While there are some flubs, this is a pretty good account of why the US went with the turbine in the M1 series instead of a diesel... just don't look in the comments because the level of MIC Conspiracy nonsense in there is stupid.

The MIC exists but is not as wide spread as people make it.
Trust me. If they were as powerful as people said they were, I would be using diffrent equipment.

And using the Turbine is honestly one of the best choices for the Abrams.
Any other current MBT use turbine engines?
 

Aaron Fox

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T-80 does and it is considered it's weakpoint.
Partially because one of Russia's/USSR's weak spots is turbine engines, mind you. If I remember right, when NATO got a hold of Soviet aircraft, their turbines weren't as powerful as their NATO counterparts...
 

Zachowon

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T-80 does and it is considered it's weakpoint.
Partially because one of Russia's/USSR's weak spots is turbine engines, mind you. If I remember right, when NATO got a hold of Soviet aircraft, their turbines weren't as powerful as their NATO counterparts...
I have seen that in some fields NATO were above WARSAW and vice versa.
The US were better at making bigger things in smaller packages
 

PsihoKekec

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BTW, since you are stationed in Korea, how is your knowledge of South Korea army? Because it would be interesting to hear about their experience with T-80s they use in one of their armored brigades.
 

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