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Marduk

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You don't want Israel to get even culturally compatible immigrants?
Why should it, at least outside of repatriation of Jews and naturally small scale business/science program? It's not like Israel is something like Australia or Canada, with massive areas of undeveloped land (and even in their case the same people who want more immigration aren't big fans of developing said land, clown world).
Israel has population densities well above European average. It's a country that has massive political shitstorms about small settlements in contested border areas. Does it really need more people?
 

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Why should it, at least outside of repatriation of Jews and naturally small scale business/science program? It's not like Israel is something like Australia or Canada, with massive areas of undeveloped land (and even in their case the same people who want more immigration aren't big fans of developing said land, clown world).
Israel has population densities well above European average. It's a country that has massive political shitstorms about small settlements in contested border areas. Does it really need more people?
That's the thing, though: The traditional Jewish definition of Who is a Jew? is too exclusive, hence Israel's Law of Return. And Yes, Israel could use more people if they would help develop the country. They can be resettled in the Negev and/or the Galilee, both of which still have a lot of extra space even right now.
 

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That's the thing, though: The traditional Jewish definition of Who is a Jew? is too exclusive, hence Israel's Law of Return.
No reason to not have normal, even if minimalistic laws for that commonly used even by low immigration countries like Japan in addition to that.
And Yes, Israel could use more people if they would help develop the country. They can be resettled in the Negev and/or the Galilee, both of which still have a lot of extra space even right now.
Not really? Also that's another thing, this shit is something that authoritarian countries like Russia or China can do, force people to settle in less nice parts and make them stay there, issue internal passports etc, but free countries can't just make immigrants develop places that locals don't want to live in. Also i'm pretty sure that the problem with that land is either legal or technical (for one it's fucking desert), because from what i've heard of real estate prices in Israel, they definitely aren't low at all.
 
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That's the thing, though: The traditional Jewish definition of Who is a Jew? is too exclusive, hence Israel's Law of Return. And Yes, Israel could use more people if they would help develop the country. They can be resettled in the Negev and/or the Galilee, both of which still have a lot of extra space even right now.
The Negev is mostly desert.



While Israel could with a great deal of effort, turn it into something inhabitable, every time they turn a patch of desert/swamp/otherwise worthless landscape into livable terrain liberals post memes about how the Palestinains have to live in the horrible desert while the Israelis have all the quality land, quietly leaving out that the Israelis have it because they made it into quality land.

Galilee meanwhile was under literal 24/7 rocket bombardment from Hezhbolla during the 2006 Israel/Lebanon war. It's in easy bombardment range of an Iranian client state and not a place most Israelis will view as prime real estate.

TL;DR: there's a reason those parts are relatively sparsely inhabited.
 

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No reason to not have normal, even if minimalistic laws for that commonly used even by low immigration countries like Japan in addition to that.

Not really? Also that's another thing, this shit is something that authoritarian countries like Russia or China can do, force people to settle in less nice parts and make them stay there, issue internal passports etc, but free countries can't just make immigrants develop places that locals don't want to live in. Also i'm pretty sure that the problem with that land is either legal or technical (for one it's fucking desert), because from what i've heard of real estate prices in Israel, they definitely aren't low at all.
How are such minimalistic laws different from Israel's Law of Return?

A lot of ex-USSR Jews moved to the Negev once they moved to Israel, including my own parents, for a time.
 

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In their case a spouse or child of a citizen would not get kicked out.

When was that, and why did they leave it?
That's actually perfectly sensible. And the spouse and child of a citizen should also personally get citizenship, no?

The early and mid-1990s. And they left it due to better job opportunities in Jerusalem, I think. Around 1996, if I recall correctly.
 

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That's actually perfectly sensible. And the spouse and child of a citizen should also personally get citizenship, no?
Permanent residence at least. For citizenship, requirements vary, starting with time, sometimes language, stuff like not doing crime etc.
The early and mid-1990s. And they left it due to better job opportunities in Jerusalem, I think. Around 1996, if I recall correctly.
So it sounds like they didn't know any better but once in Israel they did learn.
 

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Permanent residence at least. For citizenship, requirements vary, starting with time, sometimes language, stuff like not doing crime etc.

So it sounds like they didn't know any better but once in Israel they did learn.
What about for their own children? Same rules?

Well, that and also the fact that they initially didn't have almost any money once they moved to Israel so they had to live in a kibbutz for a year or slightly more than that (well, actually two kibbutzes, but only the second one was actually located in the Negev; it was also the one that they stayed in the longest, I think).
 

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What about for their own children? Same rules?
Depends on age and where are they being educated, young children always ending up with citizenship of their parents.
Well, that and also the fact that they initially didn't have almost any money once they moved to Israel so they had to live in a kibbutz for a year or slightly more than that (well, actually two kibbutzes, but only the second one was actually located in the Negev; it was also the one that they stayed in the longest, I think).
That explains it. Does Israel even run something like that anymore, on any similar scale?
 

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My own view is that, if anything, the Law of Return should be expanded:


Failing that, though, it should be kept as it is rather than shrunken.
 

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There is Jzraeli news 124news.
They are,of course,anti-polish - but they must lie in stupid way for some reason.
11.11.2022,when 150 polish patriots marched in Warsaw,they lied about 10.000 nazist.
Here:

So,they lied twice - there were 150.000 people,not 10.000,and they were polish patriots,not nazis.
But,for them any polish patriot is nazi.
 
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