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Agent23 said:
You are experiencing 70s advertising. :)

Anyways, the background electronic music is kinds repetitive.
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fair. but it is funky fresh. And for some reason the filter that makes everything look like it was shot on older analog equipment looks better to me than the actual show does for whatever reason. maybe because it takes the sterile scifi backgrounds and gives them just a bit more of a real feel to it.
 
Blasterbot said:
fair. but it is funky fresh. And for some reason the filter that makes everything look like it was shot on older analog equipment looks better to me than the actual show does for whatever reason. maybe because it takes the sterile scifi backgrounds and gives them just a bit more of a real feel to it.
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Just comparing it to some old pop/sf flick advertisements I have seen, like those for James Bond, Soylent Green and 2001.
 
Him said:
Unrelated, but I remember enjoying the designs in Solo. Despite not watching it, Alden definitely retains the swag that the original trilogy set a precedent for. Makes sense for them not to be very recognizable when it's essentially the precursor for what the character would evolve into.

Aside from Childish Landino, though admittedly that's because of my own predisposition.
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Yeah I think I've said it before personally but Solo was decent enough. It just should've been a television series. It's not a movie I want to see over and over again to be honest. And was... kinda lowkey pointless. Star Wars movies need to have a grand story IMHO that pushes forward the galaxies story I feel. Solo was just a side quest by supporting characters. A Star Wars story for sure but lacking in the scale and spectacle.

Rogue One is kinda similar... but had more... spectacle and scale and larger impact. And a clearly qualitatively superior movie IMHO.
 
Husky_Khan said:
Yeah I think I've said it before personally but Solo was decent enough. It just should've been a television series. It's not a movie I want to see over and over again to be honest. And was... kinda lowkey pointless. Star Wars movies need to have a grand story IMHO that pushes forward the galaxies story I feel. Solo was just a side quest by supporting characters. A Star Wars story for sure but lacking in the scale and spectacle.

Rogue One is kinda similar... but had more... spectacle and scale and larger impact. And a clearly qualitatively superior movie IMHO.
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That Vader Scene (yes, that one) is still talked about.

If they made Vader: A Star Wars story in the vein of that or his badass moments (and not the weak... thing at the end with the Final Duel) in Kenobi, people would fucking love it.
 
KilroywasNOTHere said:
I guess cause of the Ahsoka TV series I'm starting to see more Clone Wars micro series fans trying to "Reclaim Star Wars" from the "fake Star wars fans who like TCW." *sigh* life's too short and I'm too old for this crap.
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We’ve been doing that for years now. It’s just that now the hype surrounding TCW is finally starting to die.

As I’ve said before, put TCW in the Disney verse where it’s got more links and continuity. Plus this way Disney Wars actually has something good going for it. My issue with TCW isn’t that it’s bad- though I do view it as overrated- it’s that it doesn’t fit.
 
DarthOne said:
We’ve been doing that for years now. It’s just that now the hype surrounding TCW is finally starting to die.

As I’ve said before, put TCW in the Disney verse where it’s got more links and continuity. Plus this way Disney Wars actually has something good going for it. My issue with TCW isn’t that it’s bad- though I do view it as overrated- it’s that it doesn’t fit.
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That's a reasonable opinion. And more power to you, to each their own. It's just... I remember when it was first that those who liked the special editions weren't "real star wars fans....then it was the prequels...in some ways it really does feel like star wars fans were the prototype of Twitter fanatics.
 
Well there are a lot of clusters of fiction in Star Wars now and all of it exists side by side now, even in universe chronologically. And it was always going to end up that way, even without Disney purchasing it from Lucasfilm.

You had the original films... then the remastered films... the prequels... the Clone Wars cartoons and Tartovsky Clone Wars shorts, and the Clone Wars comics... but also the earlier Marvel Comics... the Knights of the Old Republic both in comics and then the super popular games... the EU Books and associated games and sourcebooks (Thrawn Trilogy, Young Jedi stories, Star Wars Dark Horse comics, Dark Empire, Jedi Academy books, Jedi Knight games bweeee) etc and that went into things back in history before the films, and into the New Jedi Order and beyond and then the Legacy era... Almost all of it before Disney came in.

Ain't no one reclaiming anything I feel at the expense of anyone else... except shitty Sequel Trilogy movie fans. :p
 
So outside of the movies, what is everyones favorite uhhh bits of Star Wars lore. Thinking in a slightly more macro scope then individual events or novels.

Like for me... off the top of my head I don't even think The Clone Wars, Micro or otherwise as well as Rebels would even factor into it. It would probably be...

Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 and the lore surrounding it. The Old Republic MMO fits into this as well but the lore there is kinda wonky and got less interesting for me there.

Thrawn Trilogy ofc and also some of the other post-Endor novels like Truce at Bakura and the Rogue Squadron books.

The Jedi Knight/Kyle Katarn games. Dark Forces yes, but especially Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II and Jedi Outcast. Not so much Jedi Academy...

And for something out of left field but that I really dug for the stories told, a lot of the story arcs from a Dark Horse comic book series called Star Wars: Empire. It had a lot of great stories in it that I loved. An Operation Valkyrie style plot to eliminate Emperor Palpatine. A Colonial conflict with an Imperial Force engaging hordes of superhuman natives. Rebel Terrorist activity from the POV of an Imperial Soldier etc.

And hmmm for a fifth thing, I really did and still enjoy the first two seasons of The Mandalorian. The first season especially had a bit of a 'minimalism' about it which really helped with the world building and setting I feel. The more it gets fleshed out, the less unknown mystery there is...

Lots of honorable mentions of course, but I'll save it for now.
 
KilroywasNOTHere said:
It's just... I remember when it was first that those who liked the special editions weren't "real star wars fans....then it was the prequels...in some ways it really does feel like star wars fans were the prototype of Twitter fanatics.
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While you absolutely have a point, I feel it's more that the "new" star wars stuff...just isn't that good and that's what keeps dividing the fan base.

The special editions genuinely added stuff that was... bizarre.

The prequels have a insane amount of problems in every area but the basic story premise.

The animated clone wars has rather large issues with feats and power scaling.

Clone wars has some good stuff within it but overall is overhyped and is a muddled mess of timeline and story.

Rebels had major issues and started the bastardization of the EU.

The sequels... are just terrible. Worse than the prequels.

Rogue is... OK. The best of the Disney movies. Still has issues.

Solo was completely unnecessary.

Mandalorian has a incredible premise and is good in the beginning, but quickly descends into wasted time and a wasted concept.

Boba fett was absolute garbage. They did not give a crap about this show, they just needed filler till Mando season 3 and it SHOWS.

Obi-wan was a disaster of a show.

Andor was actually pretty good. Easily the best Disney star wars project. But the audience Disney has developed didn't want to watch a slow building political show and it flopped.

And Ahsoka is just... Filoni breaking out his old toys and wasting everyone's time.

Each time something comes out the fan base breaks a bit more.

People pointing out that the new thing isn't very good, and people getting mad at them because, no, it's a new star wars thing and that makes it great.

At this point I think the fan base is completely destroyed.

The only way to repair it as far as I can see is to admit failure.

Apologize for mismanaging the franchise. Fire everyone in charge of it. Hire people that are passionate and actually respect the franchise instead of people that hate it and want to deconstruct it. Decanonize everything Disney has done.

And then work really hard to come up with a incredibly good trilogy with a planned out timeline and rock solid plot. Blow everyone away with how good it is in every respect. Bring everyone back into the franchise.

But... that will NEVER happen. Disney will burn to the ground before ever admiting they did anything wrong. It's those toxic fans causing all the problems.
 
Bigking321 said:
The only way to repair it as far as I can see is to admit failure.

Apologize for mismanaging the franchise. Fire everyone in charge of it. Hire people that are passionate and actually respect the franchise instead of people that hate it and want to deconstruct it. Decanonize everything Disney has done.

And then work really hard to come up with a incredibly good trilogy with a planned out timeline and rock solid plot. Blow everyone away with how good it is in every respect. Bring everyone back into the franchise.

But... that will NEVER happen. Disney will burn to the ground before ever admiting they did anything wrong. It's those toxic fans causing all the problems.
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Even if they did apologize, the other stuff is impossible, first of all Carrie is dead and Ford is on his way out so we'll never get a reunion, plus how far arew we going in deleting stuff? Clone Wars including the final season was technically finished before Disney bought SW, rebels was already in the works. Technically Disney Star wars didn't start till the prequels...
 
KilroywasNOTHere said:
Even if they did apologize, the other stuff is impossible, first of all Carrie is dead and Ford is on his way out so we'll never get a reunion,
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I am completely fine with recasting. I think sticking with the original actors hamstrung the sequels from the beginning since to make the ages match you have to skip so much time.

Also keeping them as voice actors and animating the sequels. Shrug.

Having the original actors didn't exactly help that much when they went out of their way to destroy the characters.

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plus how far arew we going in deleting stuff? Clone Wars including the final season was technically finished before Disney bought SW, rebels was already in the works. Technically Disney Star wars didn't start till the prequels...
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Shrug. No idea.

All I know is that star wars has a lot of problems with the new stuff being incredibly bad. It's legitimately destroying the brand and setting.

I don't know how to save it if whatever new stuff has to keep working around all the garbage in the franchise now.

It feels like a life saving amputation is needed. This stuff is killing it. It needs to be cut off to save it.

What's the point of keeping this stuff canon if it destroys the whole thing?
 
Bigking321 said:
I am completely fine with recasting. I think sticking with the original actors hamstrung the sequels from the beginning since to make the ages match you have to skip so much time.

Also keeping them as voice actors and animating the sequels. Shrug.

Having the original actors didn't exactly help that much when they went out of their way to destroy the characters.


Shrug. No idea.

All I know is that star wars has a lot of problems with the new stuff being incredibly bad. It's legitimately destroying the brand and setting.

I don't know how to save it if whatever new stuff has to keep working around all the garbage in the franchise now.

It feels like a life saving amputation is needed. This stuff is killing it. It needs to be cut off to save it.

What's the point of keeping this stuff canon if it destroys the whole thing?
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see this is why I just sort of throw up my hands and like what I like (and mostly read fanfiction now. XD)
 
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