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Yeah -- according to Genesis, Davros purposefully made the template mutants (not the earlier experiments but the pre-production versions that the Doctor tried to destroy) have "defects" (which he called "improvements") to their brains, which made them incapable of being anything but sociopaths.

His own scientists were like "what the fuck, bro?" on finding out, too.

The few times the Daleks broke from this paradigm? It didn't end well for them, with their being either wiped out (the Humanized Daleks eventually, and their psychic colony), going on a genocidal rampage against their own species (such as with Rusty), or putting a literal or proverbial gun to their heads (Dalek Caan, the Metaltron) when they realized how evil they were/the guilt of being so monstrous.

This isn't even going onto the genetic purity spiral they frequently descend into (a good example is that survivors from Davros' "New Empire" outside of the three Ironsides actually attacked New Paradigm Daleks, and each considered the other impure/abominations: Civil wars between the Daleks are insane, as are their attitudes towards "impure" Daleks they use a cannon fodder.

If the Daleks at their height (Last Great Time War) were in the B5 universe, it'd basically be like all the Old Ones, together, with all their batshit EU capabilities rolled into one faction. Hell, they threw pretty much everything the Old Ones had in equivalence around as party favours against the Time Lords, and vice-versa.

The Last Great Time War was utterly insane, and the TV special a dozen years or so back did such an injustice to it that it makes bad superhero movies like Green Lantern look good.
Agreed on all points.

Though I have a love/hate relationship with the Doctor Who EU and the new series. Mostly because it runs into the not unexpected issue of not matching up with itself and the show that spawned it. Which would be a lot more acceptable if it wasn’t for the fact that parts of it, especially the relatively new stuff, seems to have been written by the literary equivalents of That Kid. Aka the Mathew Wards of fiction.

Mind you I’ll take the Mat Wards who genuinely love the franchise over the wokists who only care about: The Message.
 
If Padme is going to have a taboo romance with a Jedi, then why pick Anakin over more competent and sane men like Obi-Wan? Another issue was the risk factor. Jedi aren't supposed to be married, so if the relationship was discovered then Anakin would be very likely lose his position. This was before the galactic war so Anakin had yet to become a prestigious war hero and general who could probably become a high ranking officer on any planet. Again, Anakin in AotC didn't seem competent or sane compared to his contemporaries. He is too much of a liability. Going after Obi-Wan would have far less risk of discovery.

Realistically? They're teenagers with mutual crushes that, due to the circumstances, got stretched out and topped with 'forbidden fruit' effect to double down on it, and they never spent enough actual time together even after getting the equivalent of a Las Vegas quickie wedding, to actually have any day-to-day experience together.

So they basically never had a stable relationship due to the circumstances, but the circumstances also meant they were pretty much in a stretched-out crush/honeymoon period for the entire duration of their relationship.
 
If Padme is going to have a taboo romance with a Jedi, then why pick Anakin over more competent and sane men like Obi-Wan?

Even just seeing what she gets up to in the prequel films, I'm pretty sure Padme is the kind of adrenaline junky to pick the dangerous option whenever possible:
  • Phantom Menace: Defies the expectations of the Jedi, the Senate, and the Sith to personally lead an attempt to reconquer her home planet from the front, as bait no less. Somewhat excused as she was a desperate teenager.
  • Attack of the Clones: Upon hearing that Obi-Wan may be in trouble, decides to infiltrate an entire hostile planet aligned with the man who is trying to assassinate her with only a single Jedi padawan as backup and without telling anyone what she's planning.
  • Revenge of the Sith: Upon hearing that her husband has gone bonkers and killed dozens-to-hundreds of his fellow Jedi, including the children, decides to fly off to confront him in person on a lava world because she needs answers now; rather than wait for him to return.
And again, that's leaving out some of the insane stunts she pulls in the clone wars cartoon too. I'm pretty sure Padme wasn't interested in Obi-Wan because the safe choice was too, well, safe.
 
Even just seeing what she gets up to in the prequel films, I'm pretty sure Padme is the kind of adrenaline junky to pick the dangerous option whenever possible:
  • Phantom Menace: Defies the expectations of the Jedi, the Senate, and the Sith to personally lead an attempt to reconquer her home planet from the front, as bait no less. Somewhat excused as she was a desperate teenager.
  • Attack of the Clones: Upon hearing that Obi-Wan may be in trouble, decides to infiltrate an entire hostile planet aligned with the man who is trying to assassinate her with only a single Jedi padawan as backup and without telling anyone what she's planning.
  • Revenge of the Sith: Upon hearing that her husband has gone bonkers and killed dozens-to-hundreds of his fellow Jedi, including the children, decides to fly off to confront him in person on a lava world because she needs answers now; rather than wait for him to return.
And again, that's leaving out some of the insane stunts she pulls in the clone wars cartoon too. I'm pretty sure Padme wasn't interested in Obi-Wan because the safe choice was too, well, safe.

Ya know, with the above in mind as context, this wouldn't surprise me if it were true. :p
 
But there was one ultimate factor: whatever his flaws, whatever his boo-boos along the way, George Lucas had something Gene Roddenberry also had with "Star Trek:" George Lucas genuinely loved his creation.

And there it was. When you see the prequels it's there, even the mocked "Holiday Special" had it (the animated part with Boba Fett helped save the whole works), but Kathleen Kennedy and Disney? No. For crying out loud given the fact it was the mid-2010s and how old the actors were there was ONE thing the sequels absolutely should have done: REUNITED HAN, LUKE, AND LEIA!!

But no. As is typical these days let's deconstruct white straight male heroes and miss THE thing "Star Wars" fans would want. Because Disney and Ms. Kennedy simply did not care about "Star Wars." That lack of caring showed every step of the way.
 
Even just seeing what she gets up to in the prequel films, I'm pretty sure Padme is the kind of adrenaline junky to pick the dangerous option whenever possible:
  • Phantom Menace: Defies the expectations of the Jedi, the Senate, and the Sith to personally lead an attempt to reconquer her home planet from the front, as bait no less. Somewhat excused as she was a desperate teenager.
  • Attack of the Clones: Upon hearing that Obi-Wan may be in trouble, decides to infiltrate an entire hostile planet aligned with the man who is trying to assassinate her with only a single Jedi padawan as backup and without telling anyone what she's planning.
  • Revenge of the Sith: Upon hearing that her husband has gone bonkers and killed dozens-to-hundreds of his fellow Jedi, including the children, decides to fly off to confront him in person on a lava world because she needs answers now; rather than wait for him to return.
And again, that's leaving out some of the insane stunts she pulls in the clone wars cartoon too. I'm pretty sure Padme wasn't interested in Obi-Wan because the safe choice was too, well, safe.


Love can make people do weird things. Maybe she thought reports of him killing Jedi were false, or that she could "bring him back" to the good kid he was. In the third movie she wanted to reach him and get his side of the story, maybe help him, because she figured he was in too many crosshairs at that point to wait.
 
Love can make people do weird things. Maybe she thought reports of him killing Jedi were false, or that she could "bring him back" to the good kid he was. In the third movie she wanted to reach him and get his side of the story, maybe help him, because she figured he was in too many crosshairs at that point to wait.
...You know, a crack fic where Padme just flips out because of pregnancy hormones, which brings Anakin back, would be hilarious.

"Anakin, I'm having your baby. I don't know if it's a boy or a girl, but I do know that my back is killing me, and I do know that it's stomping on my bladder like a rampaging rancor. Unless you want me to vomit or pee myself right here, right now, drop the damned lightsaber, shake hands with Obi-Wan, and get me to the ship's kriffing refresher. Now!"

"...Yes, dear."

"And you!" She rounds on Obi-Wan, fire in her eyes. "Marmite-covered Nabooian pears. Now!"

"I'm not sure who's more frightening -- Grievous or Padme."

"I hear that," Vader muttered as they both trudged back to the ship. Behind them, Padme abruptly burst into tears, wailing apologies, which caused them to hasten. "Where are the pears?!"

"Where's the marmite?" He stopped, looking confused. "What's marmite!?"
 
...You know, a crack fic where Padme just flips out because of pregnancy hormones, which brings Anakin back, would be hilarious.

"Anakin, I'm having your baby. I don't know if it's a boy or a girl, but I do know that my back is killing me, and I do know that it's stomping on my bladder like a rampaging rancor. Unless you want me to vomit or pee myself right here, right now, drop the damned lightsaber, shake hands with Obi-Wan, and get me to the ship's kriffing refresher. Now!"

"...Yes, dear."

"And you!" She rounds on Obi-Wan, fire in her eyes. "Marmite-covered Nabooian pears. Now!"

"I'm not sure who's more frightening -- Grievous or Padme."

"I hear that," Vader muttered as they both trudged back to the ship. Behind them, Padme abruptly burst into tears, wailing apologies, which caused them to hasten. "Where are the pears?!"

"Where's the marmite?" He stopped, looking confused. "What's marmite!?"
Truly the one thing that can cow Jedi Masters and Sith Lords alike…
 
Love can make people do weird things. Maybe she thought reports of him killing Jedi were false, or that she could "bring him back" to the good kid he was. In the third movie she wanted to reach him and get his side of the story, maybe help him, because she figured he was in too many crosshairs at that point to wait.
Remember, Padme canonically already knew about the massacre that Anakin had perpetrated with the Tusken Raiders, and didn't have a problem with it. She was "in love" to the point of being completely delusional about Anakin having any faults at all, and given time would probably have outright dismissed the killing of Jedi younglings just like she did with the Tuskens.
 
"You killed a bunch of savage murderous torturers right after you found out they raped your Mom to death?!?! That's horrible!" *Consoles*



"You murdered a bunch of younglings who trusted you as a Mentor on behalf of a greater act of mass murder and despotism and betrayal to protect my unborn twins? Oh well pretty much the same thing. Don't forget to bring home milk and eggs."
 
I don't know if Padme has good taste in romantic partners. I guess there is something redeemable about the relationship between Anakin and Padme, a seed of a healthy and sane relationship... but they'd have to really sort out their problems.

Padme probably should have stuck with Palo, or maybe in an alternate universe stuck with Rush... Or found someone else who wasn't a clearly unstable individual with a somewhat warped moral compass and with massive abandonment issues and wasn't groomed by an evil raisin that fell in a vat of bleach...

That brings up a funny thought. Obi Wan and Mace staging an intervention. Why? Not because he is married, oh no. It's the fact he is sticking it in crazy and never got that lesson.

That does make sense. I mean her being crazy explains her clear lack of sense.
 
Padme probably should have stuck with Palo, or maybe in an alternate universe stuck with Rush... Or found someone else who wasn't a clearly unstable individual with a somewhat warped moral compass and with massive abandonment issues and wasn't groomed by an evil raisin that fell in a vat of bleach...

We don't reference that CGI tv show in this house. :mad:
 
My own two cents: the problem isn't that Anakin was involved with Padme. The problem is that he married her. If he'd just been fucking her on the side, I doubt the High Council would have made much hay about it. Well, maybe in Disney Star Wars, but that's garbage so it doesn't count. Plenty of Jedi actually had paramours (Obi-Wan actually had two, Satine and Siri Tachi) with a throwaway line somewhere mentioning that if the High Council actually tried to enforce a celibacy rule, the Order would have dissolved in a year.

Basically, it was 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell', as far as Jedi getting involved in romantic relationships on the side.

Unfortunately, Anakin was a greedy little shit, wanting to not simply bone Padme, but have a family with her. Unsurprising, considering his background, but still, he ruined his own life, and in more ways than one.

Then again, from a certain point of view, that's actually admirable.

"You violated the Jedi Code. Impressive."
- Darth Vitiate
 
We don't reference that CGI tv show in this house. :mad:

I wouldn't go that far, but it is inferior Clone Wars. On my end, I demote it to a lower canonicity in my mind and allow other sources to override it. Once you make the square a circle again, a lot of the problems that the series introduced go away...well unsquare the circle and ignore the stupid bits.
 
I wouldn't go that far, but it is inferior Clone Wars. On my end, I demote it to a lower canonicity in my mind and allow other sources to override it. Once you make the square a circle again, a lot of the problems that the series introduced go away...well unsquare the circle and ignore the stupid bits.
The problem is that there's so much TCW did or introduced that directly or indirectly conflicts with Classic Legends Clone Wars lore that trying to square a circle like you say results in either nonsense or so much work for so little it defeats the point.
 
My personal solution:

Clone Wars Multimedia project = what happened in the original EU

The Clone Wars = what happened in the Disney timeline

This makes sense, since the whole 'Filoniverse' is being continued in the Disney timeline anyway. It allows me to enjoy the old EU continuity without having to worry about TCW. I just mentally exclude it from that entire timeline.
 

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