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Terthna

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To be fair looking back at the EU it had it's own share of jumping the shark and nerd enraging moments. Revan, Meetra surik and Mara Jade got equally crapped on to elevate pet characters and the less said about Abeloth the better. The ST will never reach the best of the EU, but thankful it was mercifully put down before it got to the worse of the EU. So long as Fioni and Feverue remain in control, the quality of Star wars is likely to remain good over all.
Yeah, about that...


Kathleen Kennedy will still have some measure of control over Star Wars for the foreseeable future; Fioni and Feverue will probably have to fight her every step of the way, and stay ever vigilant for any attempt she might make to sabotage them.
 

Zachowon

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Yeah, about that...


Kathleen Kennedy will still have some measure of control over Star Wars for the foreseeable future; Fioni and Feverue will probably have to fight her every step of the way, and stay ever vigilant for any attempt she might make to sabotage them.

Except she likes their work on their stuff? She can easily make anything what ever, yet she doesnt....
 

Husky_Khan

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It appears that tragedy has struck Star Wars once again, as Dave Prowse, actor of Darth Vader, has passed on.
Let us pray for his peaceful rest.

Oh my gosh I just learned about David Prowse and his passing from the most random of places.

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According to one of my fave military Youtubers he was a class act.

It's certainly something to think about. It was both Prowse and James Earl Jones who brought the character to life and to the movie makers credit I think at least serious Star Wars fans knew that it was Prowse in the armor.

Kind of similar to how in the Mandalorian all of the marketing shoes off how Pedro Pascal is the Mando when in a majority of the case he's just a voice actor. It's two stuntman, including one whose the grandson of Western film icon John Wayne, who actually wears the armor onscreen like 90% of the time.
 
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Zachowon

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Oh my gosh I just learned about David Prowse and his passing from the most random of places.

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According to one of my fave military Youtubers he was a class act.

It's certainly something to think about. It was both Prowse and James Earl Jones who brought the character to life and to the movie makers credit I think at least serious Star Wars fans knew that it was Prowse in the armor.

Kind of similar to how in the Mandalorian all of the marketing shoes off how Pedro Pascal is the Mando when in a majority of the case he's just a voice actor. It's two stuntman, including one whose the son of Western film icon John Wayne, who actually wears the armor onscreen like 90% of the time.
Grandson. Brendan Wayne
 

Terthna

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Except she likes their work on their stuff? She can easily make anything what ever, yet she doesnt....
She likes that she can claim partial credit for their work, despite the fact they and Bob Iger didn't let her anywhere near it. There's basically a cold war going on right now within the Star Wars branch of Disney; between Kennedy's faction, and those who aren't in the business of pushing a regressive left political agenda first and foremost.
 

Zachowon

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She likes that she can claim partial credit for their work, despite the fact they and Bob Iger didn't let her anywhere near it. There's basically a cold war going on right now within the Star Wars branch of Disney; between Kennedy's faction, and those who aren't in the business of pushing a regressive left political agenda first and foremost.
Where are you getting this information?
Also wasn't kennedy always in a high place at Lucasarts for a long time?
 

Terthna

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Where are you getting this information?
Also wasn't kennedy always in a high place at Lucasarts for a long time?
Mostly from watching Midnight's Edge and Overlord DVD, who make videos on the behind-the-scenes of the genre TV and film industries. Also Kennedy's history as a producer at Lucasfilm (not Lucasarts; that was the video game division) isn't really relevant to what she's doing now, other than to understand why Lucas thought putting her in charge before selling the company to Disney was a good idea at the time. The idea was that she'd take his side in any disagreement between him and Disney executives, but she apparently had her own ideas.
 

Zachowon

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Mostly from watching Midnight's Edge and Overlord DVD, who make videos on the behind-the-scenes of the genre TV and film industries. Also Kennedy's history as a producer at Lucasfilm (not Lucasarts; that was the video game division) isn't really relevant to what she's doing now, other than to understand why Lucas thought putting her in charge before selling the company to Disney was a good idea at the time. The idea was that she'd take his side in any disagreement between him and Disney executives, but she apparently had her own ideas.
Where do they find it out from?
 

DarthOne

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Oh my gosh I just learned about David Prowse and his passing from the most random of places.

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According to one of my fave military Youtubers he was a class act.

It's certainly something to think about. It was both Prowse and James Earl Jones who brought the character to life and to the movie makers credit I think at least serious Star Wars fans knew that it was Prowse in the armor.

Kind of similar to how in the Mandalorian all of the marketing shoes off how Pedro Pascal is the Mando when in a majority of the case he's just a voice actor. It's two stuntman, including one whose the grandson of Western film icon John Wayne, who actually wears the armor onscreen like 90% of the time.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Also wasn't kennedy always in a high place at Lucasarts for a long time?

Yes and no. George Lucas specifically hired her away from her own company to become co-chair of Lucasfilm in mid-2012, with Lucas remaining chief executive and also serving as co-chair for a one-year transition period before Kennedy would become sole chairperson. Lucas did so specifically because he wanted Kennedy to oversee the transition of Lucasfilm to Disney control; Lucas had been negotiating with Disney since the previous year, although the deal remained secret until October 2012.

So Kennedy was a newcomer to Lucasfilm, however, she had a long history of working with both Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, all the way back to Raiders of the Lost Ark. She also co-founded Amblin Entertainment with Spielberg. While her name was little known outside of Hollywood technical circles, she was involved as a producer in numerous major films, including E.T., the rest of the Indiana Jones movies, all of the Back to the Future series, Jurassic Park, and Schindler's List.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Throwing insults does not change the fact that complaints about the quality of creative content in post-reboot Star Wars have absolutely nothing to do with real life contract disputes. One is a writing issue, the other is a lawyer issue.

Except that they absolutely do when one ties into the other and are both symptomatic of the same issue.
 

Zyobot

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With official material seeming to have not explored the setting too far in the future (aside from the adventures of Cade Skywalker in Legends), I'm wondering how the state of the galaxy might look a few centuries--or even millennia--after the Battle of Yavin? It's a question I've asked elsewhere and received an answer to before, but this being a different site, I'm guessing I'll get a second opinion here? Certainly, there will be vast differences between how it looks in Canon and in Legends due to the divergent histories of both timelines (albeit with key characters, events and places shared between them).

My main reasons for asking boil down to a) I'm curious for curiosity's sake and b) I'm thinking of creating something of a world-building project that explores the future of the Star Wars universe, long after the exploits of Luke Skywalker have vanished from living memory as the galaxy marches on after the fall of the Empire and a phase of re-democratization that was interrupted by some great new crisis every so often.
 
With official material seeming to have not explored the setting too far in the future (aside from the adventures of Cade Skywalker in Legends), I'm wondering how the state of the galaxy might look a few centuries--or even millennia--after the Battle of Yavin? It's a question I've asked elsewhere and received an answer to before, but this being a different site, I'm guessing I'll get a second opinion here? Certainly, there will be vast differences between how it looks in Canon and in Legends due to the divergent histories of both timelines (albeit with key characters, events and places shared between them).

My main reasons for asking boil down to a) I'm curious for curiosity's sake and b) I'm thinking of creating something of a world-building project that explores the future of the Star Wars universe, long after the exploits of Luke Skywalker have vanished from living memory as the galaxy marches on after the fall of the Empire and a phase of re-democratization that was interrupted by some great new crisis every so often.


my fanfictions always involved the jedi order becoming more recluse and irrelevant while other force sects end up taking their place in terms of prominence. I went more of the cade skywallker route mixed with Kyle Katarn where the skywalker's don't really consider themselves Jedi, just people with lightsabers and lots of questions.
 
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UltimatePaladin

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With official material seeming to have not explored the setting too far in the future (aside from the adventures of Cade Skywalker in Legends), I'm wondering how the state of the galaxy might look a few centuries--or even millennia--after the Battle of Yavin? It's a question I've asked elsewhere and received an answer to before, but this being a different site, I'm guessing I'll get a second opinion here? Certainly, there will be vast differences between how it looks in Canon and in Legends due to the divergent histories of both timelines (albeit with key characters, events and places shared between them).

My main reasons for asking boil down to a) I'm curious for curiosity's sake and b) I'm thinking of creating something of a world-building project that explores the future of the Star Wars universe, long after the exploits of Luke Skywalker have vanished from living memory as the galaxy marches on after the fall of the Empire and a phase of re-democratization that was interrupted by some great new crisis every so often.
I've always been partial to the idea of a balkanized galaxy in Star Wars. Though, that is something more likely to happen in the immediate wake of the ST than something further on down the line.

I guess tone-wise, what do you want to do? Straight up SW, a Deconstruction, a Reconstruction, etc? Do you want to keep to the themes and ideas of SW or do you want to do your own thing?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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my fanfictions always involved the jedi order becoming more recluse and irrelevant while other force sects end up taking their place in terms of prominence. I went more of the cade skywallker route mixed with Kyle Katarn where the skywalker's don't really consider themselves Jedi, just people with lightsabers and lots of questions.

You'd probably see this for a few thousand years, as I imagine that's what the original Jedi were in essence.

Then you'd get a period where they "burst forth onto the Galactic scene" once again and play a much more active role in cosmic affairs.

A story set as the Jedi reassert their presence might be interesting. Maybe set during a "crusade" of sorts.
 

Husky_Khan

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With official material seeming to have not explored the setting too far in the future (aside from the adventures of Cade Skywalker in Legends), I'm wondering how the state of the galaxy might look a few centuries--or even millennia--after the Battle of Yavin? It's a question I've asked elsewhere and received an answer to before, but this being a different site, I'm guessing I'll get a second opinion here? Certainly, there will be vast differences between how it looks in Canon and in Legends due to the divergent histories of both timelines (albeit with key characters, events and places shared between them).

My main reasons for asking boil down to a) I'm curious for curiosity's sake and b) I'm thinking of creating something of a world-building project that explores the future of the Star Wars universe, long after the exploits of Luke Skywalker have vanished from living memory as the galaxy marches on after the fall of the Empire and a phase of re-democratization that was interrupted by some great new crisis every so often.

Honestly if your talking of a scale of millennia you should be safe to fill in much of the galaxy how you want. The fifty or sixty year portion between the Clone Wars and Vong Invasion (going by Legends) had some crazy things happen after all. Might've been the most dynamic period of Star Wars history period.
 

Zyobot

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my fanfictions always involved the jedi order becoming more recluse and irrelevant while other force sects end up taking their place in terms of prominence. I went more of the cade skywallker route mixed with Kyle Katarn where the skywalker's don't really consider themselves Jedi, just people with lightsabers and lots of questions.

I suppose that with their desire to avoid a repeat of Order 66, the Jedi becoming more reclusive and keeping as low a profile as possible makes sense. Ditto with them and other Force sects setting up plenty of hideouts and contingency plans in case another Palpatine takes power or what have you. Mass-decentralization so that there's not one or two choke points for their enemies to target would be paramount to the process, I think.

I've always been partial to the idea of a balkanized galaxy in Star Wars. Though, that is something more likely to happen in the immediate wake of the ST than something further on down the line.

I guess tone-wise, what do you want to do? Straight up SW, a Deconstruction, a Reconstruction, etc? Do you want to keep to the themes and ideas of SW or do you want to do your own thing?

You know, I haven't thought too deeply about that. I suppose that making it still feel like Star Wars is an obvious one, albeit with my own insights and interpretation weaved into the setting (e.g. long-lasting skepticism towards concentrated authority thanks to the Hitler-esque legacy left by Palpatine). To that end, perhaps something like the Old American West in space--a theme that Star Wars already employs as is--could become a galaxy-wide paradigm that lasts for the first few centuries or so.

Technological advancement beyond just mildly new spins on basic things that already exist--blasters, droids, starships, et al--is also something I'm thinking of adding. Having super-weapons receive most of the big breakthroughs also gets old at some point, and over-emphasizes the more militaristic side of the mythos.

Honestly if your talking of a scale of millennia you should be safe to fill in much of the galaxy how you want. The fifty or sixty year portion between the Clone Wars and Vong Invasion (going by Legends) had some crazy things happen after all. Might've been the most dynamic period of Star Wars history period.

That was a point I raised elsewhere, as far as creative freedom brought about by long-term historical unpredictability goes. As per above, I'm thinking starting the first few centuries off with a decentralized, pretty much ungoverned Galaxy where people broadly distrust concentrated authority and do business without that sort of force to play referee. Such an arrangement might come with its own problems, but from their point of view, it's by and large better than even the risk of galactic takeover and rule by an inescapable dictator on distant Coruscant. That said, their more distant descendants may think differently, since these anti-authority, slippery-slope sentiments will fade out with time.
 

UltimatePaladin

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You know, I haven't thought too deeply about that. I suppose that making it still feel like Star Wars is an obvious one, albeit with my own insights and interpretation weaved into the setting (e.g. long-lasting skepticism towards concentrated authority thanks to the Hitler-esque legacy left by Palpatine). To that end, perhaps something like the Old American West in space--a theme that Star Wars already employs as is--could become a galaxy-wide paradigm that lasts for the first few centuries or so.

Technological advancement beyond just mildly new spins on basic things that already exist--blasters, droids, starships, et al--is also something I'm thinking of adding. Having super-weapons receive most of the big breakthroughs also gets old at some point, and over-emphasizes the more militaristic side of the mythos.
Alright, so if you want a baseline SW plot, maybe have it take place after this decentralized time. Right on the cusp when people either want to maintain the status quo (decentralization) while others want to change it (centralization.)

A conflict could be kicked off by the appearance of a new nation, which is growing more powerful than its neighbors and beginning to expand. If you want to make it more unique, maybe make it a hegemony. Doesn't outright take over new systems and territory, but uses military, economic, and political power to exert control over weaker neighbors. These neighbors are allowed to maintain nominal autonomy, in exchange for paying a tribute of some kind. It might give them a different feel than the Empire while allowing them to fill much of the same roles.

Other nations nearby don't like this, so form an alliance to maintain their autonomy. However, while the alliance may deter the new hegemony, there can be conflicts inside the alliance over how much they should centralize. If they centralize, they might gain enough power to seriously challenge the hegemony - but that would also entail a loss of autonomy, which was what they were fighting against in the first place.

For your protagonists, SW tends to be pretty Black-and-White in outlook. They're either going to be all fighting for the alliance (or if you want to twist it, the hegemony.) The flaws of the bad guys should be accented here, and the virtues of the good guys highlighted to give a sense of why the protagonists are fighting. If you want the conflict to be more grey on gray, add protagonists/sympathetic characters to either side and split the flaws/virtues more evenly.
 

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