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Shame that the brand is already so damaged by now that it might be beyond repair.

A faithful 2D animated adaptation of the Thrawn Trilogy is what it'll take to get me back on board.

What it takes is a rejection of the Disney era and its atrocious legacy. SW needs to be in the hands of someone who respects it; this can be new leadership at Disney/Lucasfilm, or Lucasfilm under a new owner, or SW sold to a new owner separately.

But at minimum, everyone who pushed 'THE MESSAGE' needs to get fired. From the top management to the lowliest intern. All must go.

There should be an accounting of the whole period, revealing who did what, so that anyone who remains involved is exonerated of any wrong-doing.

Most of the Disney canon should be kicked right into the trash. Made entirely non-canonical. What decent works remain can be considered a separate canon. (This should include TCW, which will in turn be entirely removed from the original EU, restoring the original CWMMP's timeline of events in full.)

The new owners of SW must issue a statement that all the decanonised stuff was crap, that those who criticised it were right, and that those who defended it aren't real fans of SW. (See how they like it when the shoe is on the other foot!)

...And from there, we can move forward. All sorts of ways in which that can be done (and I'm all for a good 2D animated adaptation of the original EU!), but only the above could really restore my trust to begin with.
 
What it takes is a rejection of the Disney era and its atrocious legacy. SW needs to be in the hands of someone who respects it; this can be new leadership at Disney/Lucasfilm, or Lucasfilm under a new owner, or SW sold to a new owner separately.

But at minimum, everyone who pushed 'THE MESSAGE' needs to get fired. From the top management to the lowliest intern. All must go.

There should be an accounting of the whole period, revealing who did what, so that anyone who remains involved is exonerated of any wrong-doing.

Most of the Disney canon should be kicked right into the trash. Made entirely non-canonical. What decent works remain can be considered a separate canon. (This should include TCW, which will in turn be entirely removed from the original EU, restoring the original CWMMP's timeline of events in full.)

The new owners of SW must issue a statement that all the decanonised stuff was crap, that those who criticised it were right, and that those who defended it aren't real fans of SW. (See how they like it when the shoe is on the other foot!)

...And from there, we can move forward. All sorts of ways in which that can be done (and I'm all for a good 2D animated adaptation of the original EU!), but only the above could really restore my trust to begin with.
I would be honestly surprised if Disney outright de-canonized the Sequels. I imagine the best you could hope for is soft reboots where they just don't reference the events of the ST. Maybe if they sold the franchise to Elon I could see him doing this kind of audit and trolling but otherwise's seems a fool's hope.

As for splitting canon, that isn't a bad idea. Indeed I argued the EU always should have been it's own distinct canon from the get go. The primary issue as I see it would be one of practicality. I fear one canon would become the defacto "primary" universe and the other regulated to more a footnote not wholly dissimilar to the current arrangement of Disney and Legend continuities.
 
I would be honestly surprised if Disney outright de-canonized the Sequels. I imagine the best you could hope for is soft reboots where they just don't reference the events of the ST. Maybe if they sold the franchise to Elon I could see him doing this kind of audit and trolling but otherwise's seems a fool's hope.

As for splitting canon, that isn't a bad idea. Indeed I argued the EU always should have been it's own distinct canon from the get go. The primary issue as I see it would be one of practicality. I fear one canon would become the defacto "primary" universe and the other regulated to more a footnote not wholly dissimilar to the current arrangement of Disney and Legend continuities.

Eh, Disney started by decanonising the whole EU. If another decanonisation is sold as a deliberate course-correct by a whole new management, it could easily work. Countless franchises have been rebooted multiple times, after all. And at times, unpopular iterations have been very openly given the boot, precisely to win back fans.

That said, I don't see that as a likely outcome. And frankly, I think an entirely new owner would be a much better solution. In that case, "disney canon" getting pushed aside would hardly be surprising. A new owner wouldn't want that baggage.



The way I'd see things going, quite frankly, would be that the original EU canon and the Disney canon would both become pretty much "secondary", and a new owner would start over with a third canon of their own. And that would become the primary one.

Were it me, however, I'd only keep the (relatively few) good bits of the Disney canon, to disassociate myself from that mess while still keeping the stuff that people actually liked. Meanwhile, the original EU had mostly run its course when Disney bought SW. But here's the thing: I'd invite authors to both add new stuff to the truncated Disney canon (as long as it's different from the decanonised garbage), and to add more entries to the original EU. For the latter in particular, there were some works that just got unceremoniously cancelled or were left unfinished near the end. I'd invite the people involved to finish that stuff, thus hopefully making the EU fans quite happy.

As for the "primary" canon: like I said, I'd go for a 2D-animated universe, closely based on the old EU, in many cases adapted directly without any alteration, but with some of the really bad parts cut out (and possibly replaced with better things). After all, since the EU has been 'dead' for over a decade, it's now become pretty clear which elements just never quite landed, and which remain popular to this day. Putting the stuff people love on the screen would bring joy to most fans; both old and new alike.

Fans want to see the Thrawn trilogy on the screen, but few people desire to see an adaptation of The Crystal Star or The Glove of Darth Vader. Meanwhile, most of the Callista trilogy could be cut, while parts of it could be re-imagined into a good story of how Pellaeon comes to be in charge of the Imperials. And that's just some post-RotJ stuff. Have you considered a multi-season epic about the Mandalorian Wars? A historical drama about the Pius Dea crusades? Not to mention the ready-made source material in the Tales of the Jedi comics...

You can have your cake and eat it too when it comes to divisive stuff like the Revan novel: the book stays part of the original EU and thus canonical there, but youy do things differently in the animated universe.

The possibilities are endless.
 
Eh, Disney started by decanonising the whole EU.
A bit of a false comparison through. The EU was a product before Disney's acquisition, thereby their removing it doesn't implicate them in the EU perceived failure, and the ST are by far more widely seen and known about than the EU. Erasing the EU only upset a subset of StarWars fans rather than the general audience.

Now yes, film series have disavowed entries explicitly or implicitly, Star Trek V for instance for the latter, and even rebooted themselves Ala the Planet of the Apes franchise.

But the kind of partial reboot, or more accurately selective reboot, you are suggesting I'm not sure has the greatest history. My mind goes to the Terminator franchise where every film just desperately tries to recapture the magic of T2 while ignoring everything that came after.

But if you have an example in mind I'd of this being done more succesfully?

The way I'd see things going, quite frankly, would be that the original EU canon and the Disney canon would both become pretty much "secondary
Just a clarification but we appear to be using primary/secondary in different ways. In so much as I used "primary" as something to be avoided while you seem to view it as something to strive too.

To me there's little point in splitting the canon unless both are viable. You yourself lament Legends amounts to nothing under Disney since they basically abandoned it even as an alternative continuity. And in that sense my fear is that much like how Pre-Crisis Earth-One was the primary continuity with the "real" versions of Batman and Superman while Earth-Two existed more for specials and to milk some easy drama like the death of Batman you'd get the same for Star Wars.

Even if this was not official, persay, Corporations do tend to be concerned with having their brand be kept in line with each other. From Transformers Gobots, conceived as it's own independent "verse", being crammed into the Align continuity so it could have crossovers with other aligned cartoons to Justice League's Bat embargo simply because the then current Batman show wasn't in continuity with Justice League Unlimited.

It's not an insurmountable issue but , realistically speaking, it would be an issue with dual canons and would require specific effort so no one is left out in the cold.

The alternative, to simply declare the third "Primary", pretty much brings us back to the Disney/Legends schism. The primary difference being who's ox is gored.

Have you considered a multi-season epic about the Mandalorian Wars
Me personally? No. Sorry, Boba Fett's cool but never got into Mandalorians. Honestly I'd rather have a show following Fetts exploits. Basically the first season of The Mandalorian in terms of tone just exercising any references to his race. Just have him be a mysterious, gunslinger archetype.

A historical drama about the Pius Dea crusades?
Again, I think I'd rather have an actual 40k show than Star Wars trying to be grimdark.

No, given a choice I'd be more interested in the film continuity. I'd kill to get a detailed fluff Bible from Lucas on everything that happens between ROTJ and the ST. More than that I'd be interested in what happened to Ahsoka. How she survived the Empire, if she ever met up with Luke and helped rebuild the Jedi order. Her connection to Anakin, both the best and the worst aspects he represented, could help bring closure to Luke of a father he never knew and help brings things full circle.
 
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Eh star wars died when Carrie died, Mark Lost his mind and Ford just stopped giving a crap. The only way to save Star Wars at this point (if it can even be saved at this point) is a Soft Reboot trilogy set in the Far future (At least several hundred years after ROTJ) and even then it's unlikely. Keep in mind Hollywood films only got as big as they did because it turns out your taxpayer dollars were paying for them.
 
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Star Wars is in the Later Western Roman Empire’s position. A laundry list of needless bad decisions have locked in its decline, but total implosion is still quite avoidable. Sensible reforms could be made, tenuous positions consolidated, and even a much reduced Star Wars would still utterly dominate the entertainment industry for a long time to come.
 
A bit of a false comparison through. The EU was a product before Disney's acquisition, thereby their removing it doesn't implicate them in the EU perceived failure, and the ST are by far more widely seen and known about than the EU. Erasing the EU only upset a subset of StarWars fans rather than the general audience.

Now yes, film series have disavowed entries explicitly or implicitly, Star Trek V for instance for the latter, and even rebooted themselves Ala the Planet of the Apes franchise.

But the kind of partial reboot, or more accurately selective reboot, you are suggesting I'm not sure has the greatest history. My mind goes to the Terminator franchise where every film just desperately tries to recapture the magic of T2 while ignoring everything that came after.

But if you have an example in mind I'd of this being done more succesfully?

This kind of thing is done in comics all the time. Different continuities exist side-by-side, and ones that don't land with the public just get cut short. However, elements that seemed to be successful often just get sort of merged into ongoing continuities. That's not to mention the fact that the big comic book franchises also all have multiple different cartoon adaptations, which exist separately from each other, and also separately from the various comic book continuities. And then some do tie in with each other (such as '90s X-Men and '90s Spider-Man; and the recent follow-up X-Men '97), but not with others (for instance, the other X-Men cartoons take place in their own continuities). This isn't yet mentioning the connected DC animated universe of films, which is separate from the Timmverse (also internally connected), which is separate fron various other DC adaptations...

Somehow, all these complications, with whole slews of discontinued and now-ignored attempts, and multiple ongoing continuities existing side-by-side, haven't stopped the creators or the fans.

The entire argument that it can't be done because one continuity must eclipse the other, or (as is often argued) "fans would get confused" is just demonstrably incorrect.

Sorry if this is worded poorly. I've got the flu and I'm noyt entirely coherent. :p



Just a clarification but we appear to be using primary/secondary in different ways. In so much as I used "primary" as something to be avoided while you seem to view it as something to strive too.

To me there's little point in splitting the canon unless both are viable. You yourself lament Legends amounts to nothing under Disney since they basically abandoned it even as an alternative continuity. And in that sense my fear is that much like how Pre-Crisis Earth-One was the primary continuity with the "real" versions of Batman and Superman while Earth-Two existed more for specials and to milk some easy drama like the death of Batman you'd get the same for Star Wars.

Even if this was not official, persay, Corporations do tend to be concerned with having their brand be kept in line with each other. From Transformers Gobots, conceived as it's own independent "verse", being crammed into the Align continuity so it could have crossovers with other aligned cartoons to Justice League's Bat embargo simply because the then current Batman show wasn't in continuity with Justice League Unlimited.

It's not an insurmountable issue but , realistically speaking, it would be an issue with dual canons and would require specific effort so no one is left out in the cold.

The alternative, to simply declare the third "Primary", pretty much brings us back to the Disney/Legends schism. The primary difference being who's ox is gored.

I see that differently. "New thing" gets the most attention, at least for the time being-- that's just a reality I'm not going to ignore.

But as it is, Disney just discontinued the old EU and left it in storage. I'd instead invite additional works. Both for the original EU and for the Disney-era canon. (Although the latter would have a lot of crap get decanonised, and new works would expressly be ordered to not replicate any of that; and also not to duplicate stuff from the old EU. New ideas, please!)



Me personally? No. Sorry, Boba Fett's cool but never got into Mandalorians. Honestly I'd rather have a show following Fetts exploits. Basically the first season of The Mandalorian in terms of tone just exercising any references to his race. Just have him be a mysterious, gunslinger archetype.

I like the deep history of the original EU, which was never properly explored, so I'd personally love more of it. But the EU also had a bunch of books and comics covering pretty much what you describe, so my notion of a 2D-animated universe adapting all that would certainly include those as well.

Which I like about it is that you have millennia of cool stuff to cover, so there's going to be something for everyone. Coming back to comics as a comparison: I think of SW as a really big universe unto itself. So just like some people might love Batman, and others might love Superman, and some might be huge fans of Green Lantern, and some will just buy anything DC puts out... you can enjoy what you like the most. You can be selective. That's no issue.



Again, I think I'd rather have an actual 40k show than Star Wars trying to be grimdark.

No, given a choice I'd be more interested in the film continuity. I'd kill to get a detailed fluff Bible from Lucas on everything that happens between ROTJ and the ST. More than that I'd be interested in what happened to Ahsoka. How she survived the Empire, if she ever met up with Luke and helped rebuild the Jedi order. Her connection to Anakin, both the best and the worst aspects he represented, could help bring closure to Luke of a father he never knew and help brings things full circle.

That's what the pruned "Disney canon" would be for. All Filoni's stuff stays in there, so he can just continue it as he pleases in that continuity, without even having to worry about the events of the sequels (because those get erased). And why not use Lucas's insights when it comes to developing all that further? It's certainly ging to be different from what the old EU did, and from what the Disney sequels did...
 
Yeah I'm not sure if people really care about levels of canon or decanonized stuff. Fans don't want to do a lot of homework in having to see multiple TV series and movies to understand what's going on in the current film they are watching. But I think most filthy casuals understand the idea of different timelines and whatever, especially in the wake of recent superhero films.

I also don't really care about officially "decanonizing" the Sequel Trilogy. If I was doing a new Disney Star Wars thing I'd just ignore the Sequel Trilogy and do whatever like it doesn't exist. It'll be decanonized eventually in that case as the Saga continues.

Don't really care about the comics or novels that Disney Canon has released. Those are always secondary and can be trod over with impunity. Most fans read them less then they did the more famous Legends stuff.
 
This kind of thing is done in comics all the time. Different continuities exist side-by-side, and ones that don't land with the public just get cut short. However, elements that seemed to be successful often just get sort of merged into ongoing continuities. That's not to mention the fact that the big comic book franchises also all have multiple different cartoon adaptations, which exist separately from each other, and also separately from the various comic book continuities. And then some do tie in with each other (such as '90s X-Men and '90s Spider-Man; and the recent follow-up X-Men '97), but not with others (for instance, the other X-Men cartoons take place in their own continuities). This isn't yet mentioning the connected DC animated universe of films, which is separate from the Timmverse (also internally connected), which is separate fron various other DC adaptations...

Somehow, all these complications, with whole slews of discontinued and now-ignored attempts, and multiple ongoing continuities existing side-by-side, haven't stopped the creators or the fans.

The entire argument that it can't be done because one continuity must eclipse the other, or (as is often argued) "fans would get confused" is just demonstrably incorrect.
Well for starters I would think there's a large distinction between thinking something is unlikely to happen and "can't be done". That feels more like a strawman on your part. I had doubts Disney would decanonize the sequels, something even you apparently have as well so I'm not even a 100% sure what you are disagreeing with.

But yes many comic have cartoons that are not in their continuity. Indeed almost all of them that I can think of. However they do have the advantage of being ,primarily, in a distinct medium to each other with some gray area. Batman the Animated serious was in its distinct continuity from DC comics but its popularity did lead to its own little imprint of comics written more in its vein that was separate from DC main continuity and the show itself IIRC.

While examples in the same medium like the Timmiverse and the DC animated shows largely are separated by time with the Timmiverse largely being done by the time DC animated got started. A better comparison, I think, would be the more one-shot animated films DC did concurrent with their DC animated continuity like the Adam West Batman movies they did. But those were, by design, fairly self-contained outings rather than a full and expansive continuity.

So, yes I would say it would be difficult, through not impossible, to have both canons as mutli-medium franchises at the same time. Something you yourself don't seem to disagree with persay further below.

I see that differently. "New thing" gets the most attention, at least for the time being-- that's just a reality I'm not going to ignore.
Well then would you be happy if TCW Star Wars got movies, books and tie-ins and your new Ultimate EU got the odd once a year book set in its continuity? If not then you don't see things differently.

That's what the pruned "Disney canon" would be for. All Filoni's stuff stays in there, so he can just continue it as he pleases in that continuity, without even having to worry about the events of the sequels (because those get erased). And why not use Lucas's insights when it comes to developing all that further? It's certainly ging to be different from what the old EU did, and from what the Disney sequels did...

Well I do object to calling it "Disney canon" since Film continuity would be more accurate. TCW was canon to the films, the novelizations and represents Lucas's vision. Disney, for the most part, was its own kettle of fish that I have issues with for reasons that have nothing to do with the EU.

But yes, that's what I was referring to. The TCW canon

I like the deep history of the original EU, which was never properly explored, so I'd personally love more of it. But the EU also had a bunch of books and comics covering pretty much what you describe, so my notion of a 2D-animated universe adapting all that would certainly include those as well.
Conversely I'm more driven towards character or plot-driven stories. While you can certainly have those with "deep EU history" my instinct would be why do these stories have to be Star Wars when they are so far removed from the actual property? More than enough stories you can tell in the "present".


The relative blank slate of the film continuity gives you more room to work with and expand from Lucas's vision as a sort of Tabula Rasa free from a convoluted and retcon-filled history. There's freedom to explore and expand with new ideas much like the EU itself was in '89.
 
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Well for starters I would think there's a large distinction between thinking something is unlikely to happen and "can't be done". That feels more like a strawman on your part. I had doubts Disney would decanonize the sequels, something even you apparently have as well so I'm not even a 100% sure what you are disagreeing with.

Second, you cited them slashing the EU as evidence in support that Disney could do the same to the Sequel Trilogy but the two are very much an Apples to Orangs comparison. The EU was always a much more niche thing if only because more people watch movies then read. A better comparison would be the OT which, while Disney disrespected, they officially paid lip service to which I find a more likely fate to the ST.

Thirdly, yes many comic have cartoons that are not in their continuity. Indeed almost all of them that I can think of. However they do have the advantage of being ,primarily, in a distinct medium to each other with some gray area. Batman the Animated serious was in its distinct continuity from DC comics but its popularity did lead to its own little imprint of comics written more in its vein that was separate from DC main continuity and the show itself IIRC.

So, yes I would say it would be difficult, through not impossible, to have both canons as mutli-medium franchises at the same time. Something you yourself don't seem to disagree with persay further below.

I think we're kind of talking past each other. I got and still get the impression that you consider decanonisation of the sequels (and attached materials) as unlikely; you start by saying that it's unlikely Disney would do it, but go on to raise arguments that imply it's unlikely anyone would do it.

I agree that Disney doing it is the least likely of the scenarios, but I conversely feel that a new owner altogether (of either LucasFilm of SW alone) would be almost certain to it. But I still think that Disney itself itsn't particularly afraid of reboots either. So once a whole new leadership takes over at Disney (which will surely happen at some point), "starting fresh" with SW is hardly off the table.



Well then would you be happy if TCW Star Wars got movies, books and tie-ins and your new Ultimate EU got the odd once a year book set in its continuity? If not then you don't see things differently.

I think that's a bullshit comparison, because 1) my expectation is that both the original EU canon and the Disney canon would come in "second place", while a new third canon would receive most attention; and 2) if anything, under this set-up, the original EU canon would probably get somewhat more enthousiasm than the Disney canon.

But both would basically be on a "just a few releases a year" kind of publishing schedule, I think.

Which, yes, would make me quite happy. Because right now the original EU is getting zero releases a year. And there are several works I'd still like to see published.



Well I do object to calling it "Disney canon" since Film continuity would be more accurate. TCW was canon to the films, the novelizations and represents Lucas's vision. Disney, for the most part, was its own kettle of fish that I have issues with for reasons that have nothing to do with the EU.

I don't much care about the terminology, as such. Calling it "film canon" is deeply dishonest, though. The two things that all continuities have in common is that they all 1) consider the Lucas films canonical, and 2) include a lot of additional non-film materials.

So they're equally "film canon", and they're equally "non-film canon".

If going for pure neutrality, I'd call the old continuity the "first canon", the Disney-era continuity the "second canon", and the hypothetical new continuity that a new future owner may well launch the "third canon".



Conversely I'm more driven towards character or plot-driven stories. While you can certainly have those with "deep EU history" my instinct would be why do these stories have to be Star Wars when they are so far removed from the actual property? More than enough stories you can tell in the "present".


The relative blank slate of the film continuity gives you more room to work with and expand from Lucas's vision as a sort of Tabula Rasa free from a convoluted and retcon-filled history. There's freedom to explore and expand with new ideas much like the EU itself was in '89.

It sounds to me like the "first canon" would then surely be more my kind of thing (all the old EU stuff I love; no TCW included), and the "second canon" is geared to be more your kind of thing (blank slate outside the prequel-and-OT era of things, and lots of room even there; TCW included).

And what a "third canon" may turn out to be-- well, I have loads of ideas as to what I would do if I owned SW, but I get the feeling that it would generally trend away from the things you like most. But of course I don't own SW, and neither do you. So we'll just have to see what the future holds.
 
I think we're kind of talking past each other. I got and still get the impression that you consider decanonisation of the sequels (and attached materials) as unlikely; you start by saying that it's unlikely Disney would do it, but go on to raise arguments that imply it's unlikely anyone would do it.

I agree that Disney doing it is the least likely of the scenarios, but I conversely feel that a new owner altogether (of either LucasFilm of SW alone) would be almost certain to it. But I still think that Disney itself itsn't particularly afraid of reboots either. So once a whole new leadership takes over at Disney (which will surely happen at some point), "starting fresh" with SW is hardly off the table.
And in contrast I feel, while more likely than with Disney, out and out decanonizing the films of the Sequel Trilogy is still far from certain even if Star Wars is sold. Its a big step that divides fan bases and weakens the claim of every film that follows since it implies canon means nothing. Is it impossible? No, of course not.

And I did raise the point that many franchises/films which employed your idea tend to become the worse for it. Terminator for one, Superman Returns would be another that wanted to ignore the "bad sequels".

Now I don't 100% understand your previous response on this line of argument. It seemed more like you were arguing that parallel continuities could exist simultaneously, which I don't disagree with, and seemed more in response whether one continuity would become primary or not then if the films could be decanonized.

I think that's a bullshit comparison
Hardly. I'm highlighting you are okay with the primary canon because you assume your canon will be primary.

Which, yes, would make me quite happy. Because right now the original EU is getting zero releases a year. And there are several works I'd still like to see published.
So we're agreed, the animated series goes to TCW-canon then and your Ultimate version of the EU can be a limited paperback series. xD

I don't much care about the terminology, as such. Calling it "film canon" is deeply dishonest, though. The two things that all continuities have in common is that they all 1) consider the Lucas films canonical, and 2) include a lot of additional non-film materials.
Hehe. I don't care about terminology. Also your terminology is wrong. I swear. One hand I find you a deeply erudite and knowledgeable fellow with a lot of cool ideas but sometimes you do make me laugh.

As to my terminology, the issue isn't so much that the EU acknowledge that the OT and PT exists its the fact that they were incompatible with the films, the television show ect. Basically any time Lucas added to his universe the EU had to be retconned. In essence, to paraphrase Lucas, the EU is a parallel universe to the films where the films were canon to the EU but the EU wasn't canon to the films.

Basically if Lucas had decided to do an interquel set between the PT and OT, I'd expect it would reasonably fit in with TCW. I don't think the EU would fit in nearly so neatly. That the TCW is "films canon" because it was made to fit in with the rest of the Film's canon which included scripts and novelizations ect while the EU wasn't. That the EU was designed to enjoy "benign neglect" occupying a section of time Lucas, at the time of its conception, had no interest in but the more of his map he filled out the less room there was for the EU.

That doesn't mean the EU isn't worthy of its own respect but I don't think its much of a reach to say you are far more interested in the world the EU created on their own than in a film-centric canon. You literally tried to argue the films were "artistic interpretations" at one point.

So I think Film continuity/ EU continuity neatly divides our collective interests.

If going for pure neutrality, I'd call the old continuity the "first canon", the Disney-era continuity the "second canon", and the hypothetical new continuity that a new future owner may well launch the "third canon".
I'd rather say the film continuity was first canon. EU can be second because it was established later. Then Disney and then whatever comes next.

And what a {Future Installment} may turn out to be-- well, I have loads of ideas as to what I would do if I owned SW, but I get the feeling that it would generally trend away from the things you like most. But of course I don't own SW, and neither do you. So we'll just have to see what the future holds.
Oh I have loads of ideas too and yes, I imagine they would trend away from the things you like the most as well. Very pulp-era throwback, laser sword fights, scantily clad women and space bandits.
 
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I won't say it's universal, but a number of Legends/Expanded Universe fans frankly come across as viewing this:
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