And in contrast I feel, while more likely than with Disney, out and out decanonizing the films of the Sequel Trilogy is still far from certain even if Star Wars is sold. Its a big step that divides fan bases and weakens the claim of every film that follows since it implies canon means nothing. Is it impossible? No, of course not.
And I did raise the point that many franchises/films which employed your idea tend to become the worse for it. Terminator for one, Superman Returns would be another that wanted to ignore the "bad sequels".
Now I don't 100% understand your previous response on this line of argument. It seemed more like you were arguing that parallel continuities could exist simultaneously, which I don't disagree with, and seemed more in response whether one continuity would become primary or not then if the films could be decanonized.
Hardly. I'm highlighting you are okay with the primary canon because you assume your canon will be primary.
So we're agreed, the animated series goes to TCW-canon then and your Ultimate version of the EU can be a limited paperback series. xD
Hehe. I don't care about terminology. Also your terminology is wrong. I swear. One hand I find you a deeply erudite and knowledgeable fellow with a lot of cool ideas but sometimes you do make me laugh.
As to my terminology, the issue isn't so much that the EU acknowledge that the OT and PT exists its the fact that they were incompatible with the films, the television show ect. Basically any time Lucas added to his universe the EU had to be retconned. In essence, to paraphrase Lucas, the EU is a parallel universe to the films where the films were canon to the EU but the EU wasn't canon to the films.
Basically if Lucas had decided to do an interquel set between the PT and OT, I'd expect it would reasonably fit in with TCW. I don't think the EU would fit in nearly so neatly. That the TCW is "films canon" because it was made to fit in with the rest of the Film's canon which included scripts and novelizations ect while the EU wasn't. That the EU was designed to enjoy "benign neglect" occupying a section of time Lucas, at the time of its conception, had no interest in but the more of his map he filled out the less room there was for the EU.
That doesn't mean the EU isn't worthy of its own respect but I don't think its much of a reach to say you are far more interested in the world the EU created on their own than in a film-centric canon. You literally tried to argue the films were "artistic interpretations" at one point.
So I think Film continuity/ EU continuity neatly divides our collective interests.
I'd rather say the film continuity was first canon. EU can be second because it was established later. Then Disney and then whatever comes next.
Oh I have loads of ideas too and yes, I imagine they would trend away from the things you like the most as well. Very pulp-era throwback, laser sword fights, scantily clad women and space bandits.
I get the impression that you're arguing just to argue. You seem not to read what I actually write, you repeatedly misrepresent views that I have already elaborated upon, and you interject various passive-agressive remarks. You even edit quotes as a sort of 'gotcha'. Even if this is meant in some light-hearted manner on your end, tone doesn't carry well in writing, and it makes this exchange quite unpleasant for me.
This may all be a matter of misreading each other, which I already offered as a possibility, but which you seem bent on setting aside. For instance, you argue with (misplaced) conviction that I am "
only okay with the primary canon because I assume my canon will be primary". While in reality, I argued that both my preferred canon (the original EU one) and the one for which I don't care much (the later Diney-era one) would become de facto secondary-- and that I'm fine with that.
Your post is full of strange misreadings/misrepresentations like that. So it really seems as if you're either unable or unwilling to engage with what I really wrote. The fact that you, in the process, consciously ascribe bad faith motives to
my position makes it that much worse.
So at this point, I have very little interest in carrying on this conversation.
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I won't say it's universal, but a number of Legends/Expanded Universe fans frankly come across as viewing this:
as being more authentically Star Wars than this:
Hardly my position, although
@Crom's Black Blade seems intent on reading it like that.
I do prefer to view the WEG sourcebooks as more canonical in the
original, first canon than TCW, though. Zahn took a lot of stuff from those sourcebooks, after all, and those lore bits are woven into the whole EU. Whereas TCW is a later add-on that clashes with a lot of things.
Meanwhile, the WEG sourcebooks aren't even part of the
second, Disney-era canon, while TCW is part of that. So I wouldn't even consider those sourcebooks in that context.
The issue here is that Crom seems intent on making one continuity "the
real canon", whereas my goal is to clearly separate and then carry on multiple
equally-valid canons, and to remove the trash so these multiple continuities can
thrive side-by-side. None relegated to "death", as it were, but both still receiving new additions. I think any sane owner of SW would want that.
