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Jaenera Targaryen said:
Before Disney, I'd have agreed with you. After Disney, it's practically Homeric epic in comparison.

FUCKING. HELL.
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You aren't wrong. But it's best not to swing too far in the other direction.

The sequels make the prequels look great. But the prequels are still really bad.

I didn't like NJO. It did have some great stuff in it but overall I didn't really care for it.
 
Jaenera Targaryen said:
Before Disney, I'd have agreed with you. After Disney, it's practically Homeric epic in comparison.

FUCKING. HELL.
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That is like saying that a place is freezing because it is colder than the Sahara, at noon, mid-summer.

I do not consume any RodentWars, I view it as overpriced, non-canon fan fiction.

I will not eat up the slop they served before and call it good because they are serving dead cockroach puree now.
 
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NJO wasn't bad, even before Disney. You don't need to compare it to Disney shit to make it look good. NJO was always good. Flawed, in some cases seriously flawed, but also good and great in various other ways.

Traitor is the best EU novel bar none, and The Unifying Force comes pretty close to an ideal conclusion to the EU.

Only after that did things go down the shitter, during the so-called Denningverse. (Which really did kill the the post-RotJ EU, to the point that the Disney purchase was initially quite widely celebrated by the fans.)
 
The Whispering Monk said:
Evil Jacen pretty much killed it for me. He was such a duche.
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Darth Caedus could have been a fairly sensible character (if written by more competent authors). It just made absolutely no sense for Jacen to turn into that character.

If you re-wrote it all, having (a non-Jacen) Darth Caedus as an agent of the One Sith during the Legacy comics run, there to deliberately destabilise the galactic order and make things ripe for the bad guys to take over, would make sense. That could even be a great story. The character could still be a tragic villain: a descendant of the Solo line, turned towards evil via well-intentioned extremism.
 
NJO at it's best was meh. In all honesty, the post...past a certain point in the timeline, I guess, the only Legends storyline that I really became invested in was Legacy. Darth Krayt was a great villain, rather old school in a way that appealed to my 90s kid sensibilities, and much of the main Sith characters were more of the same. Especially Darth Maladi. I mean, sure, a lot of my guy friends preferred Darth Talon - because no shit, she's practically a Dark Eldar succubus - but I preferred Darth Maladi.

And of course, Cade Skywalker. To me, he was the 90s anti-hero (ironic, considering Legacy came out in the 2010s) of the entire setting, being gruff, rude, even selfish, but also trying to find himself, before eventually deciding to choose the side of good but without going all soy boy and staying the same standoffish, grumpy, but also loyal and dependable son of a bitch we all came to love. Oh, and Princess Marasiah, of course, carrying on the tradition of actually being a believably strong - in more ways than one, being a princess and the heiress to the Imperial Throne as well as an Imperial Knight - woman in the footsteps of Mara Jade and Princess Leia (who is actually her ancestor) without being in your face about it the way Disney Star Wars loves their female leads.

Oh, and a touch of courtly love (and eventually actual romance) there as well, considering her relationship with Antares Draco.
 
Jaenera Targaryen said:
NJO at it's best was meh. In all honesty, the post...past a certain point in the timeline, I guess, the only Legends storyline that I really became invested in was Legacy. Darth Krayt was a great villain, rather old school in a way that appealed to my 90s kid sensibilities, and much of the main Sith characters were more of the same. Especially Darth Maladi. I mean, sure, a lot of my guy friends preferred Darth Talon - because no shit, she's practically a Dark Eldar succubus - but I preferred Darth Maladi.

And of course, Cade Skywalker. To me, he was the 90s anti-hero (ironic, considering Legacy came out in the 2010s) of the entire setting, being gruff, rude, even selfish, but also trying to find himself, before eventually deciding to choose the side of good but without going all soy boy and staying the same standoffish, grumpy, but also loyal and dependable son of a bitch we all came to love. Oh, and Princess Marasiah, of course, carrying on the tradition of actually being a believably strong - in more ways than one, being a princess and the heiress to the Imperial Throne as well as an Imperial Knight - woman in the footsteps of Mara Jade and Princess Leia (who is actually her ancestor) without being in your face about it the way Disney Star Wars loves their female leads.

Oh, and a touch of courtly love (and eventually actual romance) there as well, considering her relationship with Antares Draco.
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Honestly, SW lost me before all that was written so I never read any of it.
 
Jaenera Targaryen said:
Before Disney, I'd have agreed with you. After Disney, it's practically Homeric epic in comparison.

FUCKING. HELL.
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Ganner Rhysode is the Homeric Epic.

Dude built a wall of his dispatched enemies.

Is 'The Ganner' the greatest last stand of a Jedi in Star Wars Lore? :unsure:

I think so.

Then again we have Luke Skywalker on Crait... :sneaky:
 
Husky_Khan said:
Ganner Rhysode is the Homeric Epic.

Dude built a wall of his dispatched enemies.
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This is true. While the Yuuzhan Vong arc was overall meh (still better than the pile of shit that the sequels were), there are bright spots here and there. I mean, Ganner Rhysode's final stand was so memorable even the Yuuzhan Vong decided he couldn't possibly have been completely mortal, and that he was actually an invincible giant who guarded the underworld.

Basically, they decided they'd gone up against their equivalent of Cerberus, and the best they could do was end his mortal incarnation. He's still there, making sure the dead stay dead.

Husky_Khan said:
Is 'The Ganner' the greatest last stand of a Jedi in Star Wars Lore? :unsure:
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From the sound of things, yes.

Husky_Khan said:
I think so.

Then again we have Luke Skywalker on Crait... :sneaky:
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I've seen it before, with Keanu Reeves in The Matrix. Only with more style and less lens flare.
 
Ironically Disney got it 100% right when Luke showed up and saved the Mandolrian and Baby Yoda. The issue was then they went back to "Social Justice" bull*it. It's honestly sad they 1000% saved Star Wars and then utterly annihilated said achievement with "fe*insist" bulls*it. I'm a sexist assh*le though so whatever keep being a fagg*t a*s virgin
 
A'lan mandragon said:
Ironically Disney got it 100% right when Luke showed up and saved the Mandolrian and Baby Yoda.
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Hard disagree.

That was the most blatant of key jangles.

Luke doesn't ask any questions. Isn't interested at all in these people. Doesn't check if they need anymore help or if they might even be bad guys. Isn't the slightest bit curious about the situation.

Just shows up, kills some bots, is just there for the child, bye.

Just... awful.

And then they completely undo the ending of season two in the middle of a entirely different show!

If you went from the end of mandalorian season 2 to the beginning of season 3 it would make absolutely no sense.
 
Bigking321 said:
Hard disagree.

That was the most blatant of key jangles.

Luke doesn't ask any questions. Isn't interested at all in these people. Doesn't check if they need anymore help or if they might even be bad guys. Isn't the slightest bit curious about the situation.

Just shows up, kills some bots, is just there for the child, bye.

Just... awful.

And then they completely undo the ending of season two in the middle of a entirely different show!

If you went from the end of mandalorian season 2 to the beginning of season 3 it would make absolutely no sense.
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Real men show up do the job and leave no emotional nonsense required. I would argue him sitting around and having an entirely meaningless conversation is pointless. I came killed the baddies and I am here to teach the kid to be a man is all that is needed. So I guess gard disagree with what your saying seems pointless to me.
 
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A'lan mandragon said:
Real men show up do the job and leave no emotional nonsense required. I would argue him sitting around and having an entirely meaningless conversation is pointless. I came killed the baddies and I am here to teach the kid to be a man is all that is needed. So I guess gard disagree with what your saying seems pointless to me.
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You do realize it was this kind of behavior from the Jedi that had so many people cheering the Empire on at the start of the Great Jedi Purge, right?
 
Early design idea for General Grievous by Warren Fu, whose job at Lucasfilm was apparently this sort of concept and character design in his position as an Art Director.



The link leads to a twenty minute YouTube video where Paul Duncan unboxes and pages through this Yuge Behind the Scenes book on the Prequel Star Wars trilogy that he authored and which this piece of art is apparently featured in.
 
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Husky_Khan said:
Early design idea for General Grievous by Warren Fu, whose job at Lucasfilm was apparently this sort of concept and character design in his position as an Art Director.



The link leads to a twenty minute YouTube video where Paul Duncan unboxes and pages through this Yuge Behind the Scenes book on the Prequel Star Wars trilogy that he authored and which this piece of art is apparently featured in.
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Honestly? While I’m not so sure about the weapons, I do like the more armored version of Grievous. At the very least I always thought Grevious's organs in his chest were a little too exposed then they should have been.
 
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