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I'd rate Bay as about as bad as JJ. I don't care if people like him or not. His movies are genuinely trash.

But a different kind of trash than JJ and Ryan.

The sequels were really really bad. Like unbelievably bad.

So bad that Michael Bay trash movies would have a actual chance of being better.

The difference is that Bay has an audience (evidently), and he gives them what they want. Somewhat similarly, you have Zack Snyder, who also always makes "Zack Snyder films", aimed specifically at Zack Snyder fans.

Conversely, the people making the sequel trilogy, by and large, hate and despise the fans of Star Wars.
 
The difference is that Bay has an audience (evidently), and he gives them what they want. Somewhat similarly, you have Zack Snyder, who also always makes "Zack Snyder films", aimed specifically at Zack Snyder fans.

Conversely, the people making the sequel trilogy, by and large, hate and despise the fans of Star Wars.

Didn't an official interview from back between TLJ and RoS that outright stated that Lucasfilm either didn't do market research, or even if they did, they outright ignored its findings? IIRC, Johnson's reasoning was because 'he wanted to tell his own story...and if the audience didn't like it, they didn't have to watch it'.
 
He made it pretty clear that he wanted to tell his own story and not really be tied down by previous canon or the greater world. Which sounds like a great idea, giving the creator of Looper that sort of freedom.

You know... for like... a standalone film.

Not the second film of an unplanned trilogy. Durrrrrrr...
 
I'd rate Bay as about as bad as JJ. I don't care if people like him or not. His movies are genuinely trash.

But a different kind of trash than JJ and Ryan.

The sequels were really really bad. Like unbelievably bad.

So bad that Michael Bay trash movies would have a actual chance of being better.
At least the guy tries to please the audience by giving them what they like:
Explosions.
Decent looking chicks like Megan Fox.
Mostly faithful and respectful of the canon material from what I've heard.
Does not cram in politics.

Those make him orders of magnitude better at his job than JJ, who is a low quality plagiarist hack, and Ryan, who is a self obsessed, audience haring moron.

The only other big name I can think of is Snyder, and he is hit or miss, with recently being mostly miss.
Like that hot piece of garbage called rebel moon.

Someone, iirc one of Critical Drinker's guests,compared it with Battle Beyond the Stars, which is basically a tongue in cheek affectionate parody of OG Wars.

I saw it and I saw Rebel Moon.

Literally a b-movie space comedy is better than something that should have been the start of a major space epic and made by what was supposed to be one of the best directors of our time.

Yeah, no fuck this shit, I am sticking to animu.
 
At least the guy tries to please the audience by giving them what they like:
Explosions.

Sure.

Decent looking chicks like Megan Fox.

If masturbation is a priority there are plenty of women you can masturbate to in Abrams movies though.

Mostly faithful and respectful of the canon material from what I've heard.

Sure, but only if you don't include his Transformers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles films. And Pearl Harbor. :p

Does not cram in politics.

Might be true but Transformers: Age of Extinction had a thick injection of Sino-ChiCom propaganda in its latter scenes IIRC.

Those make him orders of magnitude better at his job than JJ, who is a low quality plagiarist hack, and Ryan, who is a self obsessed, audience haring moron.

JJ Abrams worst films and projects are nothing compared to Bayformers. Look, if you like Bayformers, that's fine. I notice that none of your criticisms were related to storytelling or characters or whatever even though you've maligned the lack of complex storytelling in science fiction stories before, but while I think the nuTrek stuff is pretty overrated, I think they tell a far more coherent story and have far more interesting characters and narrative going on then the last three Bayformer films and all TMNT films. And probably somehow managed to be more faithful to Trek then Bay was to Transformers and TMNT. Mission Impossible III, Cloverfield, and Super 8 were all at least decent flicks and I think Star Wars: The Force Awakens was decent as well. Plus he did decent in television, even if some of his storytelling was pretentious with the intricate plots and mystery and world building.

With all that said I don't think JJ Abrams is great or anything, but I'd put more faith in him making something competently than Michael Bay unless all you do want is just explosions, bad jokes, terrible jokes and narratives and cooming. In which case, there's a billion dollars worth of juvenile lads who agreed with you clearly.

I'd actually put Zack Snyder above Michael Bay as well. His storytelling is pretty bad as well, especially with original concepts but he's made some serviceable adaptions. And I love his world building attempts and whatnot as well. I think he really has a lot of passion in doing his projects, successes or failures.

I think Michael Bay would be like the perfect Second Unit Director. The one who just directs the explosions and messy CGI fest scenes filled with explosions which you have someone else with a concept of storytelling to actually be the main Director.

So... as to this point... Just to clarify something I'm more confident on now...
...again, I'm honestly tempted to say putting Michael Bay in charge of the Thrawn trilogy would have come out better. Sure, it'd have been horribly panned, our glorious moral guardians ranting and raving about how he'd have saturated the films with gratuitous violence, fanservice*, and shallow action, but come on. Don't tell me I'm not the only one who'd have appreciated the Battles of Sluis Van, Coruscant, Bilbringi, and others with OMFG EXPLOSIONS EVERYWHERE, plus Mara Jade pulling off prequel trilogy-tier acrobatics while fighting Luuke, among other wasted potentials.

You don't want Michael Bay to direct a Thrawn trilogy movie. If you didn't like how Thrawn was portrayed in Rebels or Ahsoka you can just imagine how he'll be portrayed in a Michael Bay directed trilogy.

Han Solo and Lando will be making blue balls jokes every ten minutes while Thrawn impotently copes and seethes. Chewbacca will make chimpanzee sounds for no reason. Thrawn will state Ackbar will look good wrapped in some seaweed and wasabi. The Katana fleet will be actually flying swords that impale people. Pellaeon will be having a dream where he's wading through water when he suddenly wakes up and realizes he wet himself because a Clawbird snuck into his tent and settled on his lap. The Noghri Khabarakh will be humbled by Leia-Lady Vader but only be truly won over by secretly sniffing her panties. Jorus C'boath will be initially found in a bathrobe and wearing womens lingerie for no reason and rambling about Mynocs not being real and every tree having a listening device in it. Talon Karrde will be living in some jungle shack when he's visited by Thrawn who will throw a bucket of water on him upon finding him sleeping on a pile of hay cuddling a Ysalamiri and when Pelleaon says he stinks even more, Talon Karrde will be like that was my piss and spit bucket. HILARIOUS! :ROFLMAO::poop::cautious:

Anyways... like I was saying. The ONLY thing Michael Bay should direct in the Thrawn Trilogy is the Battles... not one nanosecond more.
 
Look...

All the directors being currently being discussed are garbage. JJ, Ryan, Bay, and Zack are all terrible and did/would have produced terrible star wars movies.

I'm not sure who would be slightly better than the others but I don't want any of them making anything anymore.
 
There was a Jabba focused movie, about his rise to power in the underworld IIRC, that Del Toro was working on the strip for.

Disney had a winning idea there, and covering a part of the EU I don't think Legends touched much if at all.

There are good directors with good film ideas in the Star Wars projects that have been put forward, but KK just wants woke shit and to shit on the old fans when she can get it past Filoni.
 
All of the Disney "Star Wars" series...back in the 1980s there were two animated series: "Ewoks" and "Droids."

And a few television specials, plus the infamous holiday special.
 
Hollywood and Disney have fucked themselves over chasing the Woke agenda. You need money to make movies and investors like to make money. However if a movie flops then the investors have less reason to invest in your movie ideas.

It's the Golem run amok. Political correctness has gone out of control, it has infested many things, and is destroying them. You cannot just get rid of these people without being subjected to the very witch cries once used as weapons.
 
Look...

All the directors being currently being discussed are garbage. JJ, Ryan, Bay, and Zack are all terrible and did/would have produced terrible star wars movies.

I'm not sure who would be slightly better than the others but I don't want any of them making anything anymore.

No. You LOOK!



The guy who portrayed Admiral Motti was an amazing actor. Zack Snyder really showed that at least.
 
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Yeah it was great. I watched it like three times yesterday lol.

I'm told there's a Directors Cut available exclusively on Disney Plus that TWO HOURS LONG and actually bothers to tell a coherent story. Why the studios trimmed Zack Snyder's vision to just twelve minutes, I have no idea.

Spoiler alert: the other 108 minutes consist entirely of lens-flared slow-motion shots with a heavy colour filter overlaid.
 
Hmmm I wonder if there are versions of Michael Bay Star Wars out there... :unsure:



Enhance...



Perfection.

I mean the Zack Snyder version is clearly superior but still...

I'd search for JJ Abrams Star Wars but... maybe later.
 

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