Yep, that's a boomer take.
To many Star Wars fans, this is validation in a way we never imagined we'd get.
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To many Star Wars fans, this is validation in a way we never imagined we'd get.
The judge's analogy in this case would be considered dicta, and is not part of the ruling in law.
You're really looking for validation in all the wrong places if you're trying to read dicta in a random legal case as "proof" that the Disney Star Wars movies were bad.
Yeah... well we consider your opinions dicta... how do you like that?
LindyAF
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I'm aware, it's still just silly and dumb, especially on something unrelated - particularly if whatever the case was serious enough to actually merit a case. A court ruling is not the time or the place to be looking to get e-clout on twitter with nerds.
Like, as an extreme case, imagine some judge ruling on like an unsafe baby food product or something making a joke like "much like how Ghostbuster 2016 stunted the franchise." If the case is silly itself, and the judge is throwing it out as such, I could see making a silly and dumb joke as appropriate because the people who brought the case to court are clowns. But except in cases like that, if the judge doesn't like TLJ or RToS, which I do as well, he should just be complaining about it on Twitter or some shit.
See my previous stattment.
LindyAF
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See my previous stattment.
Yeah, I get it and it's fair and I think "woah look at this cool nerd thing that happened" is a perfectly reasonable response to this here because this is the place for nerd shit, but I read about this and it just serves as a reminder that we live in a clown country with a clown show for a political and justice system, and one of the clowns doing a bit I like doesn't really compensate for that.
Fair enough friend.
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Judges have been using humor in thier rulings since....I dunno, probably since we've had judges. Just like every other profession, there's no expectation that they become humorless robots while on the bench and be serious about everything all the time. There is a time and place for that, but it's not automatically wrong to write an opinion with some humor included. It can even be useful, because, an in this case, it makes the case easier to follow by laymen (remember, while judges are not writing for the general public, they know the public will be reading thier opinions and will write so that the public can follow when needed).
Val the Moofia Boss
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Why are people so desperate for "validation" from the state? The wording in the paper is just saying what everyone has already known for the past 6 years: there is a schism within the
Yeah, I hate what Kennedy and Jar Jar Abrams and Ruin Johnson did to Star Wars too, but come on. Doomcock, Midnight's Edge, Geek's and Gamers, and Nerdrotic have been saying "Disney is in the middle of a civil war! The execs have realized the error of their ways! Kathleen Kennedy will be fired very soon! All shall be well again under Favreau!" for years. It's never going to happen and corporations don't work that way.
Yeah, I loved George Lucas' films too, but you don't need to worship franchises. It's time to let go of franchises. Move on with your life. Find new things to enjoy. There are plenty of space opera book series out there. Look at space opera anime and manga. Or try out different stuff entirely. Yeah, it's disappointing that we probably won't get any good high budget space opera film franchises anymore, but there are plenty of alternatives you could try getting into and enjoy. It boggles my mind that people spend hundreds... thousands of hours ranting about the state of Star Wars when it's never going to change, when they could instead spend that time enjoying so many new books and anime or other things.
See, that's the thing, with Filoni being up'ed to exec creative director or whatever for Star Wars, I do think things are changing in the Star Wars creative direction.
You just sound like another person who hates the social power of the Star Wars fandom, and wants people to abandon the franchise. You give the same 'there are other franchises' line I've heard others who dislike the current state of Star Wars utter, and I'll tell you the same thing; NO.
I am not going to feel bad for find what this judge did funny, I'm not going to feel bad for still hoping Star Wars can be salvaged, and I am not to feel bad for being part of the Star Wars fandom that wants to believe Filoni and Favreau can get KK ousted from control of Star Wars because of how she hurt the Mouse's pocketbook.
Welp, Kennedy has been practically forced out, two guys who actually love Star Wars are in charge (except for that High Republic garbage), and things are looking up.
Star Wars has a future now, I feel.
Star Wars has a future now, I feel.
KilroywasNOTHere
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sorry Val this "let the past die kill it if you have to" mentality is what allowed the left to get a foothold in the culture in the first place. If they can go after Star Wars they can go after anything. Star Wars IS americana just as much as Superman and Michael Jackson. We may have to change how we consume star wars content, but if we let it die, we have essentially surrendered.
People joke that the Left, "Social Justice", and "pro-equality" activism are hands that blight franchises and rot them from the inside out, but we've seen numerous, constant examples of this being the case.
DC.
Marvel.
Star Wars.
Star Trek.
MLP.
The fact that people now consider manga and anime to be superior to Western comics due to their not bending to Woke bullshit? Yeah, that's kinda telling.
Hey, remember when Roddenberry got retired and one of the replacements was Brannon Braga, the guy that co-wrote, anoung other things, "All Good Things", the best series finale in ST? Things were really looking up for ST, everyone was sure this new show "Voyager" was going to be a new era for the franchise, and I think that's also the about the time rumors of a new, gritty take on BSG were staring to circulate, and it was going to be the biggest thing in sci-fi TV ever.
Remember how all those people ended up being totally right? I do.
That's not to say SW is certainly going down a similar route, but just....don't get your hopes up.
LindyAF
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tbh most of this sort of media has been left-wing from the very beginning. It's just that since America overall has shifted to the left, a left wing message on an older issue has become less objectionable. Also, they've gotten more blatant and less competent at it. But Hollywood was always filled with commies.
For instance, Lucas has said Star Wars was inspired in part by Vietnam. The Rebels are a Vietcong analog, the Empire the USA. Americana
Also, while it'd be nice if we got good Star Wars, I'm not sure how fans have an impact one way or the other, except by paying for good content and not paying for bad content, and saying whether content is good or bad.
There is a difference, though, between the above being contained in a story/causing a story and outright propaganda. That is pretty much what these franchises have become -- propaganda mouthpieces.
LindyAF
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eh... I'd say insofar as the franchises are currently propaganda, they always were, they're just able to hide it less.
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I honestly feel that the Vietnam analog was just a claim that was tacked on after the fact, rather like so many other claims, like that the trilogy is just the first movie Lucas wrote, and all he did was split it into three parts, or that Vader was always intended to be Luke's father, or that Luke and Leia were always intended to be siblings, or that Lucas had always planned the prequels to be what they were even back in the '70s.
As for hope for the future of the franchise and all that, I'm just not going to get my hopes up. For me it's not about giving up and trying to find some other franchise to be a fan of (as if one can only be a fan of one thing at once), it's more about holding onto the good parts of the franchise and voting with my wallet. We may have to let it die in the hopes that in the future, someone who actually gives a damn about it might revive it. In the meantime, we still have the parts of the franchise we like, even if it is a bit depressing that nothing new that we like might get made. That's the reality of being a Star Trek fan or a comics fan right now, too, unfortunately.
As for hope for the future of the franchise and all that, I'm just not going to get my hopes up. For me it's not about giving up and trying to find some other franchise to be a fan of (as if one can only be a fan of one thing at once), it's more about holding onto the good parts of the franchise and voting with my wallet. We may have to let it die in the hopes that in the future, someone who actually gives a damn about it might revive it. In the meantime, we still have the parts of the franchise we like, even if it is a bit depressing that nothing new that we like might get made. That's the reality of being a Star Trek fan or a comics fan right now, too, unfortunately.