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[Jaenera Targaryen]

Also I had a funny thought about the SWTOR-era Empire being sent forward to the sequel era. If any of them ended up surrendering to House Thul and keeping their position I totally wouldn't put it past the Dark Council to make an Organa the Empire's ambassador to the New Republic, just to twist the knife a bit.

That is the plan, yes. Though, it's not just House Thul being backed by the Sith, and ruling over Alderaan in the Empire's name that would shock Leia. The most shocking thing would be the fact that Alderaan isn't a peaceful world without weapons, all crystal spires and togas with stereotyped people constantly spouting 'peace, freedom, and democracy'. Instead, Alderaan is a neo-feudal world governed by mutually-jealous and competing noble houses, where plots, counter-plots, treason and conspiracy abound.

Well, canon Leia would be shocked. Leia from the EU would be uncomfortable, but she knew it was an open secret that Alderaan, while having no power projection ability, possessed defensive systems comparable to any Core System. She was also aware of, and educated in, the aristocratic intrigues and shadow games of the nobility. Oh, she hated it, but she knew. In fact, she even used it to her advantage at one point, when taken hostage by pro-Imperial nobles, she willingly surrendered, hiding behind her status as Princess Organa for the simple fact that the rules of etiquette and noble conduct explicitly forbade the deaths of noble hostages. Something the Dark Jedi behind the other nobles found themselves choking on, when he tried to threaten Leia, only for the other nobles to contemptuously remind him that as a noblewoman, Leia was due the respect of her station so long as she cooperated.

That said, canon Leia would recover quickly enough, much like in the novel Bloodlines. She's less adept than her EU counterpart, but she does know how to play the game. She's just so very rusty at it.

I can only imagine Leia's reaction to that petty slight.

I think she'd be more worried about that Sith guard shadowing the Alderaanian ambassador. They may not be a lord, but a Sith Warrior - or more likely, a Sith Inquisitor - is no joke.

 

[Zachowon]

I read some snippets of two Hugh Republic books and they don't seem that bad.
One actually seemed interesting in a way.

Has anyone read any if them? By going to a store and flipping through or for some reason buying them

 

[DarthOne]

I read some snippets of two Hugh Republic books and they don't seem that bad.
One actually seemed interesting in a way.

Has anyone read any if them? By going to a store and flipping through or for some reason buying them

Negative. At least not until I can get my hands on them in such a way that won't line the Mouse's pocket.

 

[novussa]

so hi there i have lurkign around this forum for some time now. So i have a ide what would the reactions to the fel empire from legends isot to the sequel era. First it is the empire second leias dauther was the first empress of it. Oh yes. How would the new republic react to it or the resistance with leia for that matter react to it. As for the first order i guess we might see some defections to the fels from the old guard or just the sane members. ps sorry for my english it is not my first language.

 

[Zachowon]

Negative. At least not until I can get my hands on them in such a way that won't line the Mouse's pocket.

Go to a bookstore and read through.

We are basing what we are saying off Youtubwrs who were never going to be fair to them in the first place

 

[DarthOne]

So hi there.

I have been lurking around this forum for some time now.

So I have an idea;
What would the reactions to the Fel Empire from Legends being IOST'd to the sequel era be? Both to the Empire itself and to the fact that one of Leia's descendants is the first empress of it. How would the New Republic or Resistance react; espcially Leia herself?

As for the First Order, I guess there would be some defections to the Fel Empire from the old guard or the more sane members of the FO.

Sorry, English is not my first language.

Well, first off, glad to have you on board!

As to answer your question, bear in mind that it's been a while since I read the Legacy-era comics, so my knowledge is a bit rusty. Likewise, I haven't really dug into the Disney canon since it became clear what a fuck up it was.

I think the New Republic's reaction will depend on exactly when the Fel Empire is being IOST'd from and to when. From what you asked, I'm assuming this in the Galactic Federation Triumvirate era after the defeat of Darth Krayt?

As for when this takes place in Disney canon...if it's pre-TFA, the New Republic will probably be somewhat alarmed at having a powerful, better armed, and more competent neighbor suddenly pop-up. Even when they realize that this isn't Palpatine's Empire v2.0, they just might be stirred out of their navel-gazing into being less of the prequel-era Old Republic. Both militarily and politically; as having a viable alternative to the 'New Republic' could create quite the ripples in the Outer and Mid Rim. Don't quote me, but I seem to remember that they were going the way of a Neo-CIS prior to TFA, though obviously minus the Sith. All of which, depending on how long before TFA this is and if the New Republic reacts, could have some interesting ripple effects on the FO's plans. Doubly so when you consider the FO defectors, which I do think you'd get.

If it's post TFA...assuming that the Resistance isn't being written by morons with more self-righteousness than sense, I can see them and the Fel Empire teaming up against the FO/One Sith. I think you'd see some defections from the FO still, though not as many, given that the FO seems to be winning at this point. Of course, that could change as the fortunes of war start to shift.

As for Disney Leia, I think she'd be alarmed at first, though she'd probably be more okay with it and just wary once it becomes apparent this isn't the Empire. I wish I could give more here, but again, I am not an expert on Disney 'canon'

 

[DocSolarisReich]

so hi there i have lurkign around this forum for some time now. So i have a ide what would the reactions to the fel empire from legends isot to the sequel era. First it is the empire second leias dauther was the first empress of it. Oh yes. How would the new republic react to it or the resistance with leia for that matter react to it. As for the first order i guess we might see some defections to the fels from the old guard or just the sane members. ps sorry for my english it is not my first language.

To be honest; the Fel Empire is the best Empire, and an Order of Imperial Knights that have both Light and Dark users in their ranks, reconstituting the Je'daii of old is probably the best the SW Galaxy can hope for.

 

[novussa]

Well, first off, glad to have you on board!

As to answer your question, bear in mind that it's been a while since I read the Legacy-era comics, so my knowledge is a bit rusty. Likewise, I haven't really dug into the Disney canon since it became clear what a fuck up it was.

I think the New Republic's reaction will depend on exactly when the Fel Empire is being IOST'd from and to when. From what you asked, I'm assuming this in the Galactic Federation Triumvirate era after the defeat of Darth Krayt?

As for when this takes place in Disney canon...if it's pre-TFA, the New Republic will probably be somewhat alarmed at having a powerful, better armed, and more competent neighbor suddenly pop-up. Even when they realize that this isn't Palpatine's Empire v2.0, they just might be stirred out of their navel-gazing into being less of the prequel-era Old Republic. Both militarily and politically; as having a viable alternative to the 'New Republic' could create quite the ripples in the Outer and Mid Rim. Don't quote me, but I seem to remember that they were going the way of a Neo-CIS prior to TFA, though obviously minus the Sith. All of which, depending on how long before TFA this is and if the New Republic reacts, could have some interesting ripple effects on the FO's plans. Doubly so when you consider the FO defectors, which I do think you'd get.

If it's post TFA...assuming that the Resistance isn't being written by morons with more self-righteousness than sense, I can see them and the Fel Empire teaming up against the FO/One Sith. I think you'd see some defections from the FO still, though not as many, given that the FO seems to be winning at this point. Of course, that could change as the fortunes of war start to shift.

As for Disney Leia, I think she'd be alarmed at first, though she'd probably be more okay with it and just wary once it becomes apparent this isn't the Empire. I wish I could give more here, but again, I am not an expert on Disney 'canon'

Fel empire would be isot before krayt and before the sith imperial war and before the one sith infiltrated the empire so. and it they would appear a year before the movies start.

 

[DarthOne]

Fel empire would be isot before krayt and before the sith imperial war and before the one sith infiltrated the empire so. and it they would appear a year before the movies start.

Hmmm....

Can we get anyone more familiar with the factions to chime in?

 

[Skallagrim]

Fel empire would be isot before krayt and before the sith imperial war and before the one sith infiltrated the empire so. and it they would appear a year before the movies start.

New Republic is mostly disarmed. First Order is hilariously incompetent. Jedi are extinct. First Order has only a few Force users (and the Knights of Ren are demonstrably jokes, so even if you count Palps: they have three more powerful ones in total.)

Fel Empire is powerful, pretty popular with its subjects (Imperial Mission), has a fleet of comparitively super-advanced Star Destroyers, and has an elite guard of Force users.

Result: the Fel Empire conquers the galaxy, and is widely welcomed for their effort. When Palpatine invades, there is no reason to believe he'll be magically more competent. (We must assume he's a brain damaged clone or something, I guess.) So he announces his plans in advance like an idiot. The Fel Empire moves in rapidly, and destroys his fleet. The end.

Seriously, there's no comparison here. The old EU factions are all hyper-competent compared to the sequel trilogy factions. You could drop a minor power like Hapes or the Ssi-ruuk in there, and they'd mop the floor with everyone.

 

[novussa]

heres a link to wookipedia on the fel empire. Fel Empire | Wookieepedia | Fandom

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

The old EU factions are all hyper-competent compared to the sequel trilogy factions. You could drop a minor power like Hapes or the Ssi-ruuk in there, and they'd mop the floor with everyone.

Considering the general nastyness of all parties and the universe in general, they had to be competent, lest they get wiped out by an emergend order of sith/unknown alien species/fucking empire super weapons.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Imperial Knights and the Fel Empire were like the only cool things I liked about that Star Wars: Legacy era. I found the Sith a bit too tryhard and stylistic even if Darth Krayt's character development had some interesting bits to it. Especially since I happened to of coincidentally read the A'Sharred Hett comics that took place in the prequel era. And I say this with all due respect to Darth Talon and her many 'talents.' But everything else, it was so derivative. You even had Skywalker descendants and a Republic/Rebel/Resistance on the ropes and Cade just never seemed all that compelling to me.

But the Fel Empire and it's Imperial Knights. Those were something new. And while sadly most of the mook Imperial Knights seemed to die like fodder, they looked great in the artwork and I loved the concept behind them and everthing.

 

[DarthOne]

New Republic is mostly disarmed. First Order is hilariously incompetent. Jedi are extinct. First Order has only a few Force users (and the Knights of Ren are demonstrably jokes, so even if you count Palps: they have three more powerful ones in total.)

Mind expanding what in particular makes you feel that the FO is hilariously incompetent? Not saying they aren’t just wondering what incidents makes you view them as such.

 

[Skallagrim]

Mind expanding what in particular makes you feel that the FO is hilariously incompetent? Not saying they aren’t just wondering what incidents makes you view them as such.

1. They send janitors on high priority missions.

2. They tell said janitors about the location of, and security arrangements surrounding, a highly secret hyperspace tracker.

3. They build said hyperspace tracker in Supreme Leader Snoke's command ship, yet demonstrably leave him unaware of its existence until General Hux informs him of it. (I repeat: the janitor knows about the secret weapon, the supreme leader does not.)

4. That idiot Hux is a general in their ranks, despite being maybe qualified as a corporal.

5. When testing their planet destroyer, they fire on the complacent republic first, instead of the resistance HQ, even though the Resistance knows about their weapon, the Republic does not, and the Resistance is mounting an attack at that very moment.

6. When attacking the Resistance base later on -- the place where almost all their prominent opponents are located -- they send two Star Destroyers first, their siege-specialised ship later, and their overpower super-big mega-ship as an afterthought.

7. They don't launch their fighters pre-emptively, even though this has been standard Imperial procedure for decades, and they know the enemy relies on fighters.

8. When their siege-gun ship arrives, they have it shoot the base first, instead of the escape vessels in orbit. Stupid. Shoot the ships first, then you can destroy the base at your leisure.

...and that's just some really obvious stuff that comes to mind right away. I'm not even including TRoS, because literally everything in that film is brain-dead.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

8. When their siege-gun ship arrives, they have it shoot the base first, instead of the escape vessels in orbit. Stupid. Shoot the ships first, then you can destroy the base at your leisure.

I love how they tried to call that thing a "Dreadnought" when it's quite clearly a Monitor. That aside, I haven't got a clue why such a high value asset has been deployed to take out the D'Qar base. It's like getting the USS Iowa to shell a Vietcong portaloo.

Most of the First Order Navy should have been blitzkrieging towards the Core Systems, whilst a squadron of Resurgents and older vessels (preferably commanded by one Admiral Moden Canady) are spared to deal with the ramshackle Resistance. Given that a single star destroyer should be able to slag continents, this shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Captain X]

Go to a bookstore and read through.

We are basing what we are saying off Youtubwrs who were never going to be fair to them in the first place

I was specifically told by the people making this that it wasn't for me and that I shouldn't read it.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

I love how they tried to call that thing a "Dreadnought" when it's quite clearly a Monitor.

It's a siege monitor, which is apparently called a Dreadnought out of inertia -- as a Mandator-IV, it's a direct successor to the Clone Wars era Mandator and Mandator II class and the Imperial era Mandator III. It's not clear whether all Mandator IVs are monitors, or whether this one is a one-off conversion.

That aside, I haven't got a clue why such a high value asset has been deployed to take out the D'Qar base. It's like getting the USS Iowa to shell a Vietcong portaloo.

As we saw all the way back in the original trilogy, even the poorly equipped Rebel Alliance was able to scratch together a planetary shield capable of resisting sustained capital bombardment and a planetary-grade ion cannon capable of temporarily knocking out Star Destroyers. Had the Resistance -- which is relatively richer and better-equipped than the old Alliance -- been planning to actually fight it out instead of fleeing, they would no doubt have had defenses.

Since they had one, bringing along a siege dreadnought capable of no-selling surface shields was actually a good idea. On the other hand, Poe insisting that a siege ship was a "fleet killer" just shows him to be an insubordinate idiot with "big ship! glorious victory for me!" fixation on par with an Imperial Japanese Navy pilot.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

It's a siege monitor, which is apparently called a Dreadnought out of inertia -- as a Mandator-IV, it's a direct successor to the Clone Wars era Mandator and Mandator II class and the Imperial era Mandator III. It's not clear whether all Mandator IVs are monitors, or whether this one is a one-off conversion.

Or Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams don't understand naval terminology? A Dreadnought is a super battleship for god's sake.

As we saw all the way back in the original trilogy, even the poorly equipped Rebel Alliance was able to scratch together a planetary shield capable of resisting sustained capital bombardment and a planetary-grade ion cannon capable of temporarily knocking out Star Destroyers. Had the Resistance -- which is relatively richer and better-equipped than the old Alliance -- been planning to actually fight it out instead of fleeing, they would no doubt have had defenses.

The Resistance does not have the support or resources of the Rebellion, and Hoth was the Rebel fortress world. D'Qar is essentially a depo for a glorified PMC that would get mopped up in short order. And even if they had a shield, the First Order can either just sit up there and pelt it until it goes down, a deploy a stormtrooper legion to swamp the few hundred Resistance fighters there.

The Mandator is not required and has more pressing matters to deal with elsewhere.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

The Mandator is not required and has more pressing matters to deal with elsewhere.

What pressing matters? The First Order went 'maximum overkill' on the Resistance because there wasn't anyone else to fight.

"We've got a siege ship handy, and it'll smash any shielded base they might have flat, as opposed to having to go in with a ground assault and give them a chance to escape."