EU SHOCKING! Polling Indicates Many Western Europeans Dislike the USA!

[Emperor Tippy]

Does the common American give a shit what Euros feel about them?

No.

The average American barely recognizes that people outside the US even exist.

 

[Navarro]

I think the roots of this are a bit more complex.

A contempt for America based on an opinion that it's unsophisticated, crude, vulgar, uncivilised etc. goes back among the upper classes of Europe to the eighteenth century, before the USA was even independent. It's nothing new. The terms of abuse have changed, but the sentiments have not.

The two major factors, I believe, are the disintegration of the American union movement and

These sentiments still existed before manufacturing started to be heavily outsourced.

accompanying Reaganite ultraliberal economic policy

The end of stagflation, along with dramatic increases in real GDP growth and median household income along with incredible decreases in the misery index, were not bad things. And again, these sentiments existed centuries before Reagan became President.

the currents of polarization in American politics leading to American conservatism being dominated by more and more extreme policy.

Yes, one faction in American politics has become more and more extreme over time:

But it's not the conservatives for certain.

 

[Xilizhra]

A contempt for America based on an opinion that it's unsophisticated, crude, vulgar, uncivilised etc. goes back among the upper classes of Europe to the eighteenth century, before the USA was even independent. It's nothing new. The terms of abuse have changed, but the sentiments have not.

Given that several of these upper classes have been wiped out, several times over, there are quite a lot of continuity gaps. Also, the real cratering of international public opinion of America was accomplished under the second Bush. Twice, impressively.

Yes, one faction in American politics has become more and more extreme over time:

Which of those factions is in line with all political factions in most of the world's countries in regards to the pandemic and climate change?

 

[Navarro]

Given that several of these upper classes have been wiped out, several times over, there are quite a lot of continuity gaps.

Not even in France were the pre-Revolution aristocracy utterly exterminated, and of course such sentiments percolated into the general culture. Tell me, in which major European country was the upper class "wiped out several times over"? One can suppose Russia and the WarPac countries , but those are an extreme outlier and tended not to really care much about the American continent anyway historically for geogrqaphical reasons.

Which of those factions is in line with all political factions in most of the world's countries in regards to the pandemic and climate change?

Your position was that American conservatives have become radically extreme in recent years - when the actual data shows that the opposite is true and the American left-wing has shifted far to the Left while the conservatives have stayed where they always were. That has nothing to do with the politics of non-American countries.

 

[Xilizhra]

Not even in France were the pre-Revolution aristocracy utterly exterminated, and of course such sentiments percolated into the general culture. Tell me, in which major European country was the upper class "wiped out several times over"? One can suppose Russia and the WarPac countries , but those are an extreme outlier and tended not to really care much about the American continent anyway historically for geogrqaphical reasons.

Not every single person in those classes, but the classes themselves and their structural underpinnings. Not many Europeans, I suspect, first and foremost think of America as a weird republican upstart.

Your position was that American conservatives have become radically extreme in recent years - when the actual data shows that the opposite is true and the American left-wing has shifted far to the Left while the conservatives have stayed where they always were. That has nothing to do with the politics of non-American countries.

The shift that you spoke of was from 2008 to 2012; the shift I'm speaking of happened decades earlier. And the 2000s shift was the Democrats starting to move out of the Reagan-Clinton neoliberal axis that both parties had been attached to.

 

[Navarro]

Not every single person in those classes, but the classes themselves and their structural underpinnings.

The reasons for modern European anti-Americanism have grown, not lessened, over time:

Anti-Americanism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In a 2003 article, historian David Ellwood identified what he called three great roots of anti-Americanism:

• Representations, images and stereotypes (from the birth of the Republic onwards)
• The challenge of economic power and the American model of modernization (principally from the 1910s and 1920s on)
• The organized projection of U.S. political, strategic and ideological power (from World War II on)

He went on to say that expressions of the phenomenon in the last 60 years have contained ever-changing combinations of these elements, the configurations depending on internal crises within the groups or societies articulating them as much as anything done by American society in all its forms

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Richard Kuisel, an American scholar, has explored how France partly embraced American consumerism while rejecting much of American power and values. He writes in 2013:

America functioned as the "other" in configuring French identity. To be French was not to be American. Americans were conformists, materialists, racists, violent, and vulgar. The French were individualists, idealists, tolerant, and civilized. Americans adored wealth; the French worshiped [sic] la douceur de vivre. This caricature of America, which was already broadly endorsed at the beginning of the century, served to reinforce French national identity. At the end of the twentieth century, the French strategy [was to use] America as a foil, as a way of defining themselves as well as everything from their social policies to their notion of what constituted culture.

One may note the tropes used in anti-American Nazi propaganda that are still in common currency today:

• The decadence of beauty pageants (scantily-clad "Miss America" and "Miss Victory", "The World's Most Beautiful Leg") – or more generally, the putative sexual laxness of American women. The "Miss America" beauty pageant in Atlantic City had expanded during the war and was used to sell war bonds.[57]
• Gangsterism and gun violence (the arm of an escaped convict holding a submachine gun). Gangsterism had become a theme of anti-Americanism in the 1930s.[58]
• Anti-black violence (a lynching noose, a Ku Klux Klan hood). The lynching of blacks had attracted European denunciations by the 1890s.[59][60]
• General violence of American society, in addition to the above (boxing-glove which grasps the money-bag). The theme of a violent American frontier was well known in the 19th century.[61]
• Americans as Indian savages and as a mockery of American genocide over Natives as well as land-theft, since it is a chieftain symbol here used as a fashion trinket. ("Miss America" wears plains-Indian head-dress).
• The capitalism, pure materialism and commercialism of America, to the detriment of any spirit or soul (money bag with "$" symbol). The materialism of America contrasted with the spiritual depth of European high culture is a common trope, especially in Scandinavia.
• Anti-semitism appears in most Nazi-generated images of America. A Jewish banker is seen behind the money.
• The presence of blacks in America equals its "mongrelization", adding undesirably "primitive" elements to American popular culture, and constituting a potential danger to the white race (strongly muscular arms of a black male, a stereotypically-caricatured black couple dancing the "Jitterbug – Triumph of Civilization" in birdcage, which is portrayed as a degraded animalistic ritual). The degradation of culture, especially through miscegenation, resonated with European anxieties, especially in Germany.[63]
• Decadence of American popular culture, and its pernicious influence on the rest of the world (dancing of jitterbug, hand holds phonograph record, figure of a European gullible "all-ears" dupe in lower foreground). The growing popularity of American music and dancing among young people had ignited a "moral panic" among conservative Europeans.
• Indiscriminate U.S. military violence(bloodied bomb for foot, metal legs, military aircraft wings), threatening the European cultural landmarks at lower right.
  • Hence the suggested falsity of American claims to be "Liberators" (the Liberator was also the name of a U.S. bomber plane).
• Nazis denounced American jingoism and war fervor (a business-suited arm literally "beating the drum" of militarism, "Miss Victory" and her drum-majorette cap and boots).
• The malevolent influence of American Freemasons (Masonic apron descending from drum) was a theme among conservative Catholics, as in Spain.[66]
• Demonization of national symbols of the United States ("Miss Victory" waves the reverse side of 48-star U.S. flag, and the WW2-era Army Air Corps roundel – of small red disk within white star on large blue disk – is shown on one of the wings).

Now we can see plainly here that all of these ideas except the racist ones are consistent themes of anti-American attitudes in Europe today.

Not many Europeans, I suspect, first and foremost think of America as a weird republican upstart.

It's not because America is viewed as an upstart that Europeans dislike it these days. What began as naked contempt now derives more primarily from a feeling of lost economic, cultural and military dominance since World War Two and resentment that such is now enjoyed by those they had previously heaped oppobrium on (the French, of course, have always disliked the Anglosphere having been historical rivals since the Medieval period).
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[Xilizhra]

Now we can see plainly here that all of these ideas except the racist ones are consistent themes of anti-American attitudes in Europe today.

I think most of the sexual decadence ones have stopped as well. The main ones that survive are the ones about Americans being violent, greedy, and stupid, topics about which we frequently do not cover ourselves in glory.

It's not because America is viewed as an upstart that Europeans dislike it these days. What began as naked contempt now derives more primarily from a feeling of lost economic, cultural and military dominance since World War Two and resentment that such is now enjoyed by those they had previously heaped oppobrium on (the French, of course, have always disliked the Anglosphere having been historical rivals since the Medieval period).

Well, good news for them in how rapidly we've squandered it all, I suppose.

 

[LordsFire]

Does the common American give a shit what Euros feel about them?

I've generally seen three attitudes towards 'Europe in general' among Americans:

1. Don't know or don't care. Either ignorance or 'they're those people with the funny accents who keep needing us to come save their asses because they can't fight anymore.'
2. Swooning infatuation with enlightened European (read: elitist and top-down authoritarian) culture and society.
3. Contempt returned for contempt, possibly combined with anger.

Now, I grew up overseas, and had friends from all over the world. Germans, French, Swedes, etc, can have as varied views about Americans and America as any people can have about anything. It's only among the social elite and the 'cool people' that monolithic views tend to form.

 

[Sailor.X]

Honestly, it's a fair result. A lot of Europeans who like the US emigrate.
Besides, this is the usual suspects of Europe. Frankly? I'm more interested in what sentiment about the US is in Finland, Poland and the Baltics, Hungary, Ukraine, and Czechia and Slovenia than I am 'Western Europe' that's full of snobby-Frogs and, worse, Belgians.

A Snooty Frenchman once said to one of my Navy Buddies when were in Barcelona Spain. "Fetch my Bags Darky!!!" The guy almost got beaten up by a Platoon of Sailors.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

A Snooty Frenchman once said to one of my Navy Buddies when were in Barcelona Spain. "Fetch my Bags Darky!!!" The guy almost got beaten up by a Platoon of Sailors.

Fucking Badass❤

Say, were they all incredibly muscular and good enough to play as actors for 300?

 

[Sailor.X]

Fucking Badass❤

Say, were they all incredibly muscular and good enough to play as actors for 300?

Engineers and Deck Department Sailors. We could have been the Defensive Line for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

 

[Arch Dornan]

A Snooty Frenchman once said to one of my Navy Buddies when were in Barcelona Spain. "Fetch my Bags Darky!!!" The guy almost got beaten up by a Platoon of Sailors.

This is the 21st fucking century when the time that Anglos can pressgang American sailors into the navy is long gone. Like any American navy will take that lying down come on.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

This is the 21st fucking century when the time that Anglos can pressgang American sailors into the navy is long gone. Like any American navy will take that lying down come on.

Those Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys better think first before they piss off one of your Armed Forces members

 

[DarthOne]

This is the 21st fucking century when the time that Anglos can pressgang American sailors into the navy is long gone. Like any American navy will take that lying down come on.

Yeah, well a fair chunk of Europe still thinks it's the 1800's or early 1900's when they ruled the world. Which is ironic, given how much their own politicians are selling them out and eroding what little those nations seem to have left.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Yeah, well a fair chunk of Europe still thinks it's the 1800's or early 1900's when they ruled the world. Which is ironic, given how much their own politicians are selling them out and eroding what little those nations seem to have left.

Only if they live far away from the globalisation.

 

[Harlock]

Something about Europe being more “enlightened”, “old”, “intellectual”, “worldly” and “urbane” compared to the mongrel Americans

Ya know what, fuck those guys, especially the ones with Posh British Accents

And as someone dating such a person go fist yourself

Random news article turns those who should be on the same side against each other. Stop falling for obvious bait

 

[Zachowon]

Militarily the UK is the only real Eurocountry that likes ours. I have heard mixed stories of French and Portugese. Eglish and German are usually the best.

Then again soldiers talking with soldiers is different then everything else

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Western Eurocucks will be replaced by Arabs and Africans sooner or later. Their time is ending.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Western Eurocucks will be replaced by Arabs and Africans sooner or later. Their time is ending.

I'm gonna see comic book companies like Delcourt-Soleil, Humanoids, Europe, NBM, ARCHAIA and others gone in a few decades then

 

[Harlock]

Western Eurocucks will be replaced by Arabs and Africans sooner or later. Their time is ending.

Don't use the term Eurocuck. It is in violation of civility rules and this is your staff warning.

EDIT- To clarify and avoid any more fucking drama, it is because its a slur against a few hundred million people including several board members. You want to take a shot at a specific leader or political elite, that's one thing. The whole continent? No.