Serious question about anti-Semitism.

I'm someone who puts practical realities before ideological purity, and someone who is allied with the Right, but lives in the center.

I am trying to get people on the Right to look beyond 'conventional' conservative positions and begin to adapt the Right to the realities of modern politics. Because the Right only seems to want to double down on old talking points these days, not examining whether the world has changed and thier platforms may need to change as well to have a chance of regaining power, assuming we ever get trustworthy election again.

If there was a third party that was politically viable and could represent the best of the Left and the Right, without the fringes of either, I'd join them in a heartbeat.
 
I am trying to get people on the Right to look beyond 'conventional' conservative positions and begin to adapt the Right to the realities of modern politics. Because the Right only seems to want to double down on old talking points these days, not examining whether the world has changed and thier platforms may need to change as well to have a chance of regaining power, assuming we ever get trustworthy election again.
Yeah I also want them to adapt to reality, and not to try and become Democrats from five years ago, because that doesn’t work and just allows the Overton window to be shifted to the left, while at the same time fucks the base over. What you are advocating for isn’t even really new or innovative. It’s RINO politics. It’s this.

 
A Colonizer and a fence-sitter then.
Nope, just not an ideologue, and someone who understands that change cannot be stopped most of the time, only adapted to.
Yeah I also want them to adapt to reality, and not to try and become Democrats from five years ago, because that doesn’t work and just allows the Overton window to be shifted to the left, while at the same time fucks the base over. What you are advocating for isn’t even really new or innovative. It’s RINO politics. It’s this.




Fried, the Right already lost the fight for the culture war and the Overton window.

I'm just trying to help the Right salvage what they can, assuming we ever get trustworthy elections again.
 
Fried, the Right already lost the fight for the culture war and the Overton window.

I'm just trying to help the Right salvage what they can, assuming we ever get trustworthy elections again.
Except you aren’t and accepting defeat is stupid. What you are advocating for is quite literally the establishment Republicans policies, the RINO policies. Even if you’ve lost part of the culture war it can be turned around as the results of the culture war are horrific, and obviously so. It has resulted in the latest and youngest generation of white men being much more right wing than nearly any other. There is obviously and clearly a future and still viability. Of course, adaptation is necessary, but your ideas for adaptation have been tried, have failed, and been found wanting.
 
Except you aren’t and accepting defeat is stupid. What you are advocating for is quite literally the establishment Republicans policies, the RINO policies. Even if you’ve lost part of the culture war it can be turned around as the results of the culture war are horrific, and obviously so. It has resulted in the latest and youngest generation of white men being much more right wing than nearly any other. There is obviously and clearly a future and still viability. Of course, adaptation is necessary, but your ideas for adaptation have been tried, have failed, and been found wanting.
I learned to accept defeat from a young age, and understand that defeat does not mean the end of things, it just means dealing with the world as it is, not as you want it to be.

I learned you cannot change the world, you can at best live in it and try to get by with the changes that happen.

Also, you keep forgetting I have an I by my name, not an R, and that's for a reason.

I support some R positions, not all, and unlike the Establishment GOP I am not in favor of forever wars or accepting a stolen election.
 
The primary concern with the reactionary right (seriously "reactionary" is French Revolutionary terminology. I thought you hated the Enlightenment?) is, that in your semi-admirable drive to reverse course, you'll go too far the other way and get a tyrannical streak like the current left. He who fights monsters and whatnot. That is the danger of radicalism in any shape and form.
 
I learned to accept defeat from a young age, and understand that defeat does not mean the end of things, it just means dealing with the world as it is, not as you want it to be.

I learned you cannot change the world, you can at best live in it and try to get by with the changes that happen.

Also, you keep forgetting I have an I by my name, not an R, and that's for a reason.

I support some R positions, not all, and unlike the Establishment GOP I am not in favor of forever wars or accepting a stolen election.
But what you are in favor of is their exact strategy of “become more left wing to win somehow”. You can’t change the world but groups can, leaders and great men can, and you can learn from defeat. Acceptance of defeat and acceptance of loss ensures it’s result. The future is something that isn’t set in stone or certainly not one that you can know, and the only way to achieve what you want is to fight for what you want with everything you’ve got as best you can.
 
Barcle, you are an ideolog. Your just blind to how ideological you are. You repeatedly show a complete disconnect from reality with your explanations.

Your a weinstein, someone who recognizes the left has gone crazy, but continuously show a complete lack of humility and self reflection to look at your own leftist beliefs that got you to the day before yesterday when you started to to habe problems may have had peoblems from the start?

Is it too mich to even consider that those who have been in this fight for a hundred years may have some insites, something worth listening to, compared to you who entered this fight, what, a year or two ago?
 
But what you are in favor of is their exact strategy of “become more left wing to win somehow”. You can’t change the world but groups can, leaders and great men can, and you can learn from defeat. Acceptance of defeat and acceptance of loss ensures it’s result. The future is something that isn’t set in stone or certainly not one that you can know, and the only way to achieve what you want is to fight for what you want with everything you’ve got as best you can.
Have you considered that the reason the Left keeps wining is because, shock of shocks, they have policies that are more attractive (on the surface) to a larger part of the population than R policies? Have you considered that some losses cannot be reversed, and new realities must be dealt with as though the will not be changed.

You keep pretending that optics don't matter, a problem the Right has had for years, and acting like you can reverse change if you just go far enough Right.

The Left understood how to change the game via outside factors, that's why they went for the institutions over decades while doing a slow boil politically, while the Right kept trying to bunker up with shrinking demographics and policies that mostly just play to the old GOP base.

Like the topic of this thread is anti-semitism, and you don't seem to realize the optics of people repeating the old saws about the Jews controlling everything (you couch it in stats and such, but you are just reskinning an old meme).

Perhaps I am seeing things you do not, because I am not from the Right, and am only allied with it now because of how insane the Left has become. I have an outside perspective, and a less ideological, more pragmatic view of American politics and what it means to be 'conservative' than people who were born and raised in the Right.
 
Have you considered that the reason the Left keeps wining is because, shock of shocks, they have policies that are more attractive (on the surface) to a larger part of the population than R policies? Have you considered that some losses cannot be reversed, and new realities must be dealt with as though the will not be changed.

You keep pretending that optics don't matter, a problem the Right has had for years, and acting like you can reverse change if you just go far enough Right.

The Left understood how to change the game via outside factors, that's why they went for the institutions over decades while doing a slow boil politically, while the Right kept trying to bunker up with shrinking demographics and policies that mostly just play to the old GOP base.

Like the topic of this thread is anti-semitism, and you don't seem to realize the optics of people repeating the old saws about the Jews controlling everything (you couch it in stats and such, but you are just reskinning an old meme).

Perhaps I am seeing things you do not, because I am not from the Right, and am only allied with it now because of how insane the Left has become. I have an outside perspective, and a less ideological, more pragmatic view of American politics and what it means to be 'conservative' than people who were born and raised in the Right.
Ironically it’s mostly in America where bringing up those statistics is a dog whistle on both sides since the left harps on about racism, and the right is pro Israel so any criticism leads to people who support it using it as a cudgel. LAUREN Chen made a video recently I’m on my phone so I can’t link it but yeah in places on the left that support Palestine can get pretty anti Jewish. Ironically calling them Nazis which is always good for a chuckle.
 
Like the topic of this thread is anti-semitism, and you don't seem to realize the optics of people repeating the old saws about the Jews controlling everything (you couch it in stats and such, but you are just reskinning an old meme).

"It's da Joos" is political suicide and the further right has been consistently shooting itself in the foot there since 1945. Leave it alone, guys.
 
"It's da Joos" is political suicide and the further right has been consistently shooting itself in the foot there since 1945. Leave it alone, guys.
Yep, and it's rather infuriating to see them trying that shit again in the modern political climate.

But the people who go with those arguments also tend to think that optics don't matter, only ideological purity and party loyalty.
 
Have you considered that the reason the Left keeps wining is because, shock of shocks, they have policies that are more attractive (on the surface) to a larger part of the population than R policies? Have you considered that some losses cannot be reversed, and new realities must be dealt with as though the will not be changed.

You keep pretending that optics don't matter, a problem the Right has had for years, and acting like you can reverse change if you just go far enough Right.

The Left understood how to change the game via outside factors, that's why they went for the institutions over decades while doing a slow boil politically, while the Right kept trying to bunker up with shrinking demographics and policies that mostly just play to the old GOP base.

Like the topic of this thread is anti-semitism, and you don't seem to realize the optics of people repeating the old saws about the Jews controlling everything (you couch it in stats and such, but you are just reskinning an old meme).

Perhaps I am seeing things you do not, because I am not from the Right, and am only allied with it now because of how insane the Left has become. I have an outside perspective, and a less ideological, more pragmatic view of American politics and what it means to be 'conservative' than people who were born and raised in the Right.

Bacle, declaring yourself less ideological and more pragmatic doesn't make it so. This is the overwhelming arrogance that makes it difficult to take you seriously about anything. You declare something to be true, three posters show evidence how what you asserted to be true is the exact opposite of the truth, and then you keep barreling forward as though nothing has changed with absolutely no adjustment to your point of view.

Have you considered, ever, that being someone of the left, by self identification, that you may lack perspective, and may still be deeply enmeshed in leftist dogma? That there may be untruths which you may need to unlearn and true knowedge you may need to absorb? You have yet to make any sort of reasonable argument to any of your critics.

People like free stuff. Duh. Trying to out free stuff the Democrats is also never, ever going to work. Your understanding of why people support Israel is completely disconnected from reality, along with most of your arguments about what "the right" is, yet you claim yourself to be the "reality" position.

People have argued and showed you things for years, and you've learned nothing in all that time, and instead wear your ignorance and stubbornness with pride and an overwhelming feeling of superiority.

If we were an actual organization, you would just be starting your "shut up and listen" stage, so that in 10 years or so you may have learned enough to contribute. For example, you may, at some point, learn what "conventional" Republican politics and tactics even are, along with an idea of where they have failed or succeeded.

Instead, you strut around, declaring you know everything, showing you know nothing, and feeling so far above everything that you have no need to learn or listen to anyone around you, because of course you the baby know more than all the elders around you.
 
First, nice of you to put in the effort to actually spell my name correctly for once.

Second, I don't claim to know everything, but I am not ignorant of how the Right looks from the outside, or how the Right sees itself.

I say what I say because I understand something so many on the Right refuse to acknowledge; optics matter more than facts, and most people operate off feelings more than facts.

You can call them untruths or whatever, but I will point to Obi-Wan Kenobi's famous line about 'points of view' and that what he said holds true for the real world as well, even if conservatives don't like it.
 
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optics matter more than facts,
completely agree. Optics, however, aren’t what you say but how you say it. Absolutely anything can be presented and argued with good optics and the same goes for bad optics. Having good physiognomy, confidence, presentation, etc helps with literally anything.
 
Having good physiognomy, confidence, presentation, etc helps with literally anything.
That you actually believe in freaking physiognomy explains so much about you.

And if you actually understood the optics of your arguments around Jews, of any political persuasion, you understand what Lord Sovereign meant by Leave It Alone.

Too few people on the Far-Right, and really the Right in general, seem to have realized Sun Tzu's teachings about battle apply to politics as well.

"Some cities must not be besieged, some battles must not be fought." is true of military stategy as well as political battles, because political capital is not unlimited and with some issues you lose by trying to fight over them at all.
 

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