SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

[Cherico]

I only care because it is sucking oxygen away from actually relevant stuff like inflation and the Swamp making a shitshow of everything.

we were never going to deal with those issues, you and I know that as soon as the midterms came Biden and his boys would jingle some keys to distract the american people.

Fact is this issue is like a bandaid, if your going to get rid of roe, you do it now, then you deal with the next 3 months or so of leftist riots until people figure out in blue states that this decision just kicks things back to the states and they have abortion rights, and then the vast majority of people figure out that most people will never have or need an abortion because we have the morning after pill on top of a bunch of other shit.

You let the country burn another 3 months often litterally so that the soccer moms decide fuck all of these people and you win. If your going to do it, just get it over with.

 

[Agent23]

we were never going to deal with those issues, you and I know that as soon as the midterms came Biden and his boys would jingle some keys to distract the american people.

Fact is this issue is like a bandaid, if your going to get rid of roe, you do it now, then you deal with the next 3 months or so of leftist riots until people figure out in blue states that this decision just kicks things back to the states and they have abortion rights, and then the vast majority of people figure out that most people will never have or need an abortion because we have the morning after pill on top of a bunch of other shit.

You let the country burn another 3 months often litterally so that the soccer moms decide fuck all of these people and you win. If your going to do it, just get it over with.

I totally agree, contraception and morning after pills have been a thing, and it is supreme idiocy not to use one if you don't want to breed.Also, oral, anal and a bunch of kinky non-penetrative sex acts are also a thing, so yeah, "I acted like a dumb hoe and let a random Chad or Tyrone pump me full of jizz on an unsafe day..." is retarded and entitled.
And besides, the mother can just give the baby up for adoption.
A responsible rightwing though, would hold Brandon's feet to the fire IMHO.
Also, as I said already:
1) What is and is not a living human is a constitutional question, not a state or federal one IMHO, and it needs to be addressed eventually, with some limits on late term abortions being put into place.
2)The right must learn to stop responding to key jingling and evade leftard traps and spergouts.

 

[Vyor]

First, the Democrats outnumber the Republicans because it's a larger coalition.

Lost that last year actually:

U.S. Political Party Preferences Shifted Greatly During 2021

Although the U.S. political party affiliation average for 2021 was similar to prior years, the country shifted from a nine-point Democratic preference early in the year to a five-point Republican advantage near the end.

news.gallup.com

Perhaps, but this is an obvious strawman for you to go after before the midterms70% of people ar, and what gets the Republicans elected is the porous border, the mentally ill idiot driving US foreign policy, and THE DISMAL ECONOMY.

yes, one we disagree with, but still something that's decently popular among independents

Let's see.... 48%+32%=80%

I see quite a lot of support for overturning Row V Wade there.

Cause that "certain circumstances"? That means almost never after 15 weeks. Not the 24 weeks that Roe v Wade and Casey v Planned Parenthood set.

How the fuck isn't this a winning issue for the right? Literal 80% support! That's better than every other issue, including the economy!

 

[Agent23]

Let's see.... 48%+32%=80%

I see quite a lot of support for overturning Row V Wade there.

Cause that "certain circumstances"? That means almost never after 15 weeks. Not the 24 weeks that Roe v Wade and Casey v Planned Parenthood set.

How the fuck isn't this a winning issue for the right? Literal 80% support! That's better than every other issue, including the economy!

Because:
a) There is a split between always illegal and illegal in some circumstances.
b) It is an issue that has a lot of religious connotations that come with it, so the libtards ree muh patriarchy/theocracy and use other emotional nonsense to force people to support them.
c) IT IS THE ECONOMY, STUPID.As stated above in the thread, this is an issue that actually affects a very small portion of the actual electorate cares about, but some of the religiouscon hard base does, and so do the leftards.

Putting all that aside, the primary "victim" of abortions would be the potential offspring of the type of parasitic, vacuous single moms that habitually vote to the left, and taxpayers would end up subsidizing their idiocy to the tune of hundreds of thousands, in stead of just the cost of the abortion.The figure probably grows with the number of abortions, but one less future soyboy, chad or instahoe getting pumped out to proliferate the cycle, ree, perhaps get a heavily subsidized degree on the back of the average taxpayer and vote for more leftard lunacy two decades down the line doesn't make much sense from the cost/benefit analysis.

Also, this happening now of all times is IMHO an obvious trap the right should not walk into.

 

[Rocinante]

I only care because it is sucking oxygen away from actually relevant stuff like inflation and the Swamp making a shitshow of everything.

The fact that you don't consider prevention of the murder of millions of babies to be relevant illustrates that you'll never understand the right.

This isn't some rhetorical point. This is literally saving babies from murder.

Can you not fathom why that would be probably the single most important issue by a lot of voters?

 

[Agent23]

The fact that you don't consider prevention of the murder of millions of babies to be relevant illustrates that you'll never understand the right.

This isn't some rhetorical point. This is literally saving babies from murder.

Can you not fathom why that would be probably the single most important issue by a lot of voters?

An un-attached fetus is not a baby and it is perfectly legal to pull the plug on a braindead person who can't function without mechanical breathing.
I told you, you need an actual definition about what sentient life is.
A 100% ban on abortion is wrong, as is 100% permissiveness.

Also I'd like to think that the right is more about economic and cultural values and patriotism and responsibility, and not about moral panics over "muh billions of dead babies."

 

[Rocinante]

An un-attached fetus is not a baby and it is perfectly legal to pull the plug on a braindead person who can't function without mechanical breathing.
I told you, you need an actual definition about what sentient life is.
A 100% ban on abortion is wrong, as is 100% permissiveness.

Also I'd like to think that the right is more about economic and cultural values and patriotism and responsibility, and not about moral panics over "muh billions of dead babies."

and to them, it is literally killing a baby.

When a fetus becomes a human life is a philosophical question. It's one science can't answer. Is it at conception? Heart beat? Brain activity? Moment of birth? Science can look at and examine those phases, but when they life becomes human is a theological and philosophical question.

The religious tend to believe it's at conception.

Until you get it through your head that preventing abortion is absolutely, literally, preventing the murder of babies to them, you will never understand them.

This isn't some rhetorical stance that they use because it sounds good. They literally believe it's preventing the murder of babies, and you can't argue otherwise without admitting that your position is also based in philosophy rather than science. Science doesn't answer this question.

So that being said..who are you to tell anyone they're wrong or that this isn't important? You're talking about human life as if it's just another boring political position. You have to understand that this is NOT the stance of people who are anti-roe.

Besides, there are already legal things in place that do consider the fetus a person. If you assault someone and kill their unborn baby, you get charged for manslaughter.

Messing with a bald eagle's egg can get you put into prison. Why is it more illegal to mess with a bald eagle's egg than it is to kill a potential human life?

 

[Captain X]

Another thing is that the pro-abortion camp likes to conflate lack of Federal funding with banning abortion, so even if you point out that all this does is allow states to decide, meaning blue states will most likely keep it legal, they'll still insist that pulling Federal funding out of it would be the same as banning it.

 

[Agent23]

and to them, it is literally killing a baby.

When a fetus becomes a human life is a philosophical question. It's one science can't answer. Is it at conception? Heart beat? Brain activity? Moment of birth? Science can look at and examine those phases, but when they life becomes human is a theological and philosophical question.

Playing with semantics does not change the fact that this is an emotionally and religiously-driven crusade for both sides and that the majority of voters have no dog in this fight.
What they care when there is double digit inflation and a massive inflow of illegals through porous borders is double digit inflation and massive inflow of migrants across the borders.
IT IS THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

The religious tend to believe it's at conception.

Not religious, don't care.

Until you get it through your head that preventing abortion is absolutely, literally, preventing the murder of babies to them, you will never understand them.

This isn't some rhetorical stance that they use because it sounds good. They literally believe it's preventing the murder of babies, and you can't argue otherwise without admitting that your position is also based in philosophy rather than science. Science doesn't answer this question.

And children believe in Santa Claus, that doesn't mean politics should be run in accordance with it.

So that being said..who are you to tell anyone they're wrong or that this isn't important? You're talking about human life as if it's just another boring political position. You have to understand that this is NOT the stance of people who are anti-roe.

Besides, there are already legal things in place that do consider the fetus a person. If you assault someone and kill their unborn baby, you get charged for manslaughter.

Well, I told you that there are obvious, glaring inconsistencies in our views as to what is alive or not.
Abortion should be legal in some cases, prohibited in others.
A blob of cells with zero nerve tissue is not a baby.

Also, there is the purely financial side of things, who is going to pay for all the extra babies born to lower class single mothers or put up for adoption?

Messing with a bald eagle's egg can get you put into prison. Why is it more illegal to mess with a bald eagle's egg than it is to kill a potential human life?

Yeah, there we have it, too much pointless regulation.

Another thing is that the pro-abortion camp likes to conflate lack of Federal funding with banning abortion, so even if you point out that all this does is allow states to decide, meaning blue states will most likely keep it legal, they'll still insist that pulling Federal funding out of it would be the same as banning it.

Your body your choice only files with me if my wallet is not involved in any way.

 

[Rocinante]

Another thing is that the pro-abortion camp likes to conflate lack of Federal funding with banning abortion, so even if you point out that all this does is allow states to decide, meaning blue states will most likely keep it legal, they'll still insist that pulling Federal funding out of it would be the same as banning it.

They don't just want abortions, they want free abortions.

They use it as birth control.

 

[Rocinante]

Playing with semantics does not change the fact that this is an emotionally and religiously-driven crusade for both sides and that the majority of voters have no dog in this fight.
What they care when there is double digit inflation and a massive inflow of illegals through porous borders is double digit inflation and massive inflow of migrants across the borders.
IT IS THE ECONOMY, STUPID!


Not religious, don't care.


And children believe in Santa Claus, that doesn't mean politics should be run in accordance with it.


Well, I told you that there are obvious, glaring inconsistencies in our views as to what is alive or not.
Abortion should be legal in some cases, prohibited in others.
A blob of cells with zero nerve tissue is not a baby.

Also, there is the purely financial side of things, who is going to pay for all the extra babies born to lower class single mothers or put up for adoption?




Yeah, there we have it, too much pointless regulation.



Your body your choice only files with me if my wallet is not involved in any way.

When does that "clump of cells" become a life, to you?

The fact that you'd seemingly choose to kill millions of people to save a few bucks is...well, kind of disturbing.

 

[Agent23]

They don't just want abortions, they want free abortions.

They use it as birth control.

Well, if they do birth their brats the taxpayer will still be on the hook for even more money, and we will get even more parasitic hoes and soyboys thanks to it.

 

[Rocinante]

Well, if they do birth their brats the taxpayer will still be on the hook for even more money, and we will get even more parasitic hoes and soyboys thanks to it.

There are other ways to lower and save in taxes rather than "kill millions of babies."

When does a fetus become a human life to you? And why if you're opinion superior to that of the religious who believe it starts at conception?

 

[Captain X]

What is the basis used for deciding to pull the plug on someone? I remember a lot being made out of a woman who was basically a vegetable, though IMO that was a rather cruel one as the "life support" they pulled was her feeding tube, and she had to die of dehydration/starvation.

 

[Bigking321]

Fucking hell...

Leftist babies are still human. This argument that if they aren't aborted they will end up leftist and thus its alright is horrifying and I absolutely disagree.

Sins of the father is a terrible idea and wanting dead kids because their parents are bad is awful.

 

[Agent23]

When does that "clump of cells" become a life, to you?

The fact that you'd seemingly choose to kill millions of people to save a few bucks is...well, kind of disturbing.

Viability outside of the womb and neural activity.
So somewhere around 21 - 26 weeks, I'd say.

Maybe with some special provisions for rape, incest and genetic or other defects.

Fucking hell...

Leftist babies are still human. This argument that if they aren't aborted they will end up leftist and thus its alright is horrifying and I absolutely disagree.

Sins of the father is a terrible idea and wanting dead kids because their parents are bad is awful.

Politics is largely a matter of genetics and family/upbringing.

 

[Bigking321]

Politics is largely a matter of genetics and family/upbringing.

And that makes it OK to want their children dead?

 

[Captain X]

If the purpose of banning abortion is to save babies rather than to punish women for having sex, then there can be no exceptions other than for her own life being at risk.

 

[Rocinante]

Viability outside of the womb and neural activity.
So somewhere around 21 - 26 weeks, I'd say.

Maybe with some special provisions for rape, incest and genetic or other defects.

I'm asking purely when they become a human life, and why that's a better answer than what the religious claim.

I'm okay with abortions in the case of rape, severes defects and to save the mother'd life, but that's not what in asking.

At what point, does this clump of cells stop being a clump of cells, and becomes a human life?

Viability outside of the womb? Now do you also realize that this is just an arbitrary decision that you've made because it sounds good to you? The science doesn't state "this is a human life now," it's a philosophical position that you've taken up.

Now how do you decide for everyone else, that your philosophical decision is the correct one? (I can ask the same to the religious people as well, but I'm talking to you right now.)

If the purpose of banning abortion is to save babies rather than to punish women for having sex, then there can be no exceptions other than for her own life being at risk.

personally I can make an exception for rape, because while it's disgusting and terrible to kill babies, it's also disgusting and terrible to force someone to carry a rape baby that's a constant reminder of their brutal trauma.

I don't like it, but I can make an exception for it. I don't want to force people to carry rape babies.

News of the overturn of RvW leaking out has seemingly turned me more toward the pro-life position.

I can't reconcile with the fact that pro-choice is killing millions of potential humans. I have been of the position that it's disgusting, but not the fight I want to have..but you know what? I'm 100% on board with banning abortions with exceptions for saving the life of the mother/rape/severe defects.

 

[Agent23]

Viability outside of the womb? Now do you also realize that this is just an arbitrary decision that you've made because it sounds good to you? The science doesn't state "this is a human life now," it's a philosophical position that you've taken up.

Now how do you decide for everyone else, that your philosophical decision is the correct one? (I can ask the same to the religious people as well, but I'm talking to you right now.)

Oh, I dunno, science saying that it is viable and probably won't die if it is pulled out of the uterus and severing its connection to the host organism stops being 100% deadly.

From a purely libertarian/individualist/economic/biology preservative viability outside the womb makes perfect sense, and 5-6 months is more than enough time to decide.

And that makes it OK to want their children dead?

They do not consider those fetuses alive, in my book it is a case of the trash taking itself out.