SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

[Stargazer]

Sight.It have nothing to do with religion,and everything with cyvilization and modern science.
In any good cyvilization you could not kill people only becouse they exist,so you could not kill unborn people,too.
And thanks to modern science we knew,that humans begins their existence during conception.If you could kill unmorn humans,you could kill all humans.Leftist in EU arleady are killing eldery people.
We are defending children not becouse we are christians,but becouse we would be next if leftist do that.

P.S there is no other right wings then those who are christians,so ,if you support right,you must support christians,too.

Well I would say I believe murder is always wrong because of my Christian beliefs, and that extends to humans in the womb. "Right-wing" isn't necessarily the same as Christian.

 

[Agent23]

Sight.It have nothing to do with religion,and everything with cyvilization and modern science.
In any good cyvilization you could not kill people only becouse they exist,so you could not kill unborn people,too.
And thanks to modern science we knew,that humans begins their existence during conception.If you could kill unmorn humans,you could kill all humans.Leftist in EU arleady are killing eldery people.
We are defending children not becouse we are christians,but becouse we would be next if leftist do that.

P.S there is no other right wings then those who are christians,so ,if you support right,you must support christians,too.

As I have mentioned already, I consider either brain electric activity or autonomy outside the womb to be the key marker for human life than the sperm cell got lucky.
Also, we have covered extra-uterine pregnancies, and that the majority of fertilized ova do not get to attack and gestate.
There are also such things as spontaneous abortions that happen for a host of reasons.
If God is almighty and he is against abortion, then why is he killing babies and mothers by stuff like this happen?
Sounds more like C'thulhu than Christ.

 

[ATP]

Well I would say I believe murder is always wrong because of my Christian beliefs, and that extends to humans in the womb. "Right-wing" isn't necessarily the same as Christian.

Of course,but in western countries we do not have any other living traditions for that.pagan larpers are,wel,cosplayers.
@Agent23 - since we discovered DNA,we knew that human beings start with conception.You are not arguing with me or even GOD - but with biloogy on elementart school level.
And loosing badly.

 

[Agent23]

Of course,but in western countries we do not have any other living traditions for that.pagan larpers are,wel,cosplayers.
@Agent23 - since we discovered DNA,we knew that human beings start with conception.You are not arguing with me or even GOD - but with biloogy on elementart school level.
And loosing badly.

If we are arguing that only genetics is the basis for this then we can argue that twins are legally one person and that, if a pregnancy is interrupted but some genetic material is extracted and preserved cryogenically so that it can be reconstituted somehow later on then that doesn't really make abortion murder.
What about genetic abnormalities that lead to natural abortion?

 

[Stargazer]

As I have mentioned already, I consider either brain electric activity or autonomy outside the womb to be the key marker for human life than the sperm cell got lucky.
Also, we have covered extra-uterine pregnancies, and that the majority of fertilized ova do not get to attack and gestate.
There are also such things as spontaneous abortions that happen for a host of reasons.
If God is almighty and he is against abortion, then why is he killing babies and mothers by stuff like this happen?
Sounds more like C'thulhu than Christ.

Miscarriages, and infant mortality, have always been a reality. It's a consequence of living in a sinful fallen world, like any death from disease or natural causes is.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

if a pregnancy is interrupted but some genetic material is extracted and preserved cryogenically so that it can be reconstituted somehow later on then that doesn't really make abortion murder

This is a nonsense hypothetical. You don't get to get away with murder simply because you made a physical copy of someone.

What about genetic abnormalities that lead to natural abortion?

'natural abortion'...there's no such thing. Abortion is the intended murder of a baby in the womb. There's nothing natural about it.

 

[Agent23]

This is a nonsense hypothetical. You don't get to get away with murder simply because you made a physical copy of someone.

'natural abortion'...there's no such thing. Abortion is the intended murder of a baby in the womb. There's nothing natural about it.

Spontaneous Abortion - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Spontaneous abortion is the loss of pregnancy naturally before twenty weeks of gestation. There are several different types of spontaneous abortion. Determining the type is essential to implementing the most appropriate management. This activity describes the evaluation and management of spontaneous abortion and highlights the role of the interprofessional team in evaluating and improving care for patients with this condition.

 

[Rocinante]

Spontaneous Abortion - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

We generally call this a miscarriage.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Spontaneous Abortion - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Yup, good job at redefining stuff. Not gonna use your language.

 

[Agent23]

We generally call this a miscarriage.

I am using the scientific term.I think we have some colonialism for it, too, but I prefer the technical term.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Yeah, that's a very recent edit (last year) entry that's obviously doing the usual "Futzing with word definitions to obscure" game. Kinda like when they edited "Herd immunity" to say only vaccines could provide it.

 

[Rocinante]

I am using the scientific term.I think we have some colonialism for it, too, but I prefer the technical term.

If you're going to use different definitions than others when having a conversation, you have to be clear that's what you're doing.

Different definitions doesn't mean you are winning an argument. It means you're arguing about something different.

When we use the term abortion, we are specifically NOT referring to miscarriage. If you want to use the term to include miscarriages, then you aren't communicating clearly with others and are using a different definition than everyone else.

 

[Agent23]

If you're going to use different definitions than others when having a conversation, you have to be clear that's what you're doing.

Different definitions doesn't mean you are winning an argument. It means you're arguing about something different.

When we use the term abortion, we are specifically NOT referring to miscarriage. If you want to use the term to include miscarriages, then you aren't communicating clearly with others.

I posted the definition above, and a link to it.

 

[Rocinante]

I posted the definition above, and a link to it.

As a "gotcha" to a person who is using the standard definition that we have been using for decades.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I posted the definition above, and a link to it.

That definition is NOT common vernacular in any way. In fact, this is the first time I've EVER heard the term "natural abortion".

Frankly, it's an oxymoron. You know those...'pretty ugly', 'military intelligence', etc...

EDITED TO ADD: I'm still never going to use your phrasing because it's trying to make abortion in some way a natural process. It isn't, and it's a gross simplification of a brutal act.

 

[Agent23]

That definition is NOT common vernacular in any way. In fact, this is the first time I've EVER heard the term "natural abortion".

Frankly, it's an oxymoron. You know those...'pretty ugly', 'military intelligence', etc...

EDITED TO ADD: I'm still never going to use your phrasing because it's trying to make abortion in some way a natural process. It isn't, and it's a gross simplification of a brutal act.

The broader definition of the word means for something to end prematurely.
That might happen due to natural or unnatural causes, or be planned or spontaneous.
Grander, I should have looked into the proper English translation, but I think it is logical.

 

[Ixian]

'natural abortion'...there's no such thing. Abortion is the intended murder of a baby in the womb. There's nothing natural about it.

Thank you, there are miscarriages and medical complications with pregnancy.

There are no "natural abortions" they don't exist. An abortion is a medical procedure, not something that can just happen. Natural Abortion is leftist terminology attempting to confuse the issue and muddy the waters.

 

[Ixian]

I am using the scientific term.I think we have some colonialism for it, too, but I prefer the technical term.

A "scientific" term created by a leftwing think tank to confuse the issues with abortion.

 

[Abhorsen]

The scientific term simply doesn't matter. What matters is the legal definition. And that clearly doesn't refer to a miscarriage.

 

[Agent23]

A "scientific" term created by a leftwing think tank to confuse the issues with abortion.

Stop smoking weed before you post.

The scientific term simply doesn't matter. What matters is the legal definition. And that clearly doesn't refer to a miscarriage.

It is an official medical term...