SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade
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Maybe this will be the thing that gets Scotus to start cracking down on left wing bullshit.
They haven't been able to since Justice Douglas temporarily overthrew Richard Nixon and tried to take over the US military.
It's just now become official I guess.
49ersfootball
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Who do y'all think the US Supreme Court will strike down next ?
strunkenwhite
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Obi Wan Kenobi
Agent23
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As I said before, I see no reason why religious concerns should play any part in this debate.
If Judaist sects are allowed to wiegh in, then why not Greco-Romans with their penchant for exposing defective children to the elements, infanticide and throwing unwamted babies in the trash?
Also, I dislike the religious portion of the right as well as tradcons and neocons, so forgive me if I don't give a damn about their sensibilities.
They let the SJW/Deep State swamp grow and fester, with some actively benefiting from the process.
Any New Right should be careful about accepting their dogmas.
I see it as a situation where they should be made subservient to us, not the other way around.
Simonbob
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Because they're the core of the anti-abortion movement?
They care. You don't, ok.
Leave it to them.
Agent23
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My big problem is that I see the broader rightwing movement as being dragged along for the ride/being held back from the pursuit of stuff I see as more relevant by these boomer religicons.
Simonbob
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I don't really see a "broader" movement. There's a bunch of comentaitiors, and a lot of, I'll call them, base, but there's barely any elite that could really be called Right. Frankly, Trump did some things I like, but I'm not pretending he's all that Right, and he's about it, outside of perhaps DeSantis or Ron Paul.
Face it. This is about as good as the "Right" can do, and it's culturaly good, compared with the "Abort at Birth!" loonies. May as well use it, and accept as something.
posh-goofiness
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Doubtful. I think the justices, and by extensions, the courts are going to turtle up. This sort of destructive act from within is going to disrupt normal operation and make the institution weaker as a result. No good will come of this.
Agent23
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Yeah, and this, the Buffallo shooting and the Ukraine situation will all be used to disrupt the Red Wave, IMHO.
Some thoughts on how finally overturning Roe v Wade could reshape American politics.
Up to this point, "pro-life" politicians had their hands tied. Roe and Casey made it impossible to just completely restrict abortion. There was that citizen-enforced scheme that Texas came up with, but that always seemed too problematic in practice. No, the only way to get full restriction on abortion was to overturn Roe first, or for a state to just go full non-compliance with the federal government (which sounds like a problem, but hasn't stopped states from legalizing marijuana). Politicians could say they oppose abortion but not have to put their votes where their mouth is. Not anymore. If you are for allowing legal abortion to any degree, your voting record will show it.
This could be an opportunity for Democrats. There are a good amount of people who are disillusioned with the GOP but feel it's the only home for the fight against abortion. If Democrats can moderate on the issue, blur the distinction between moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans when it comes to abortion policy, they could at least undermine support for such Republicans from pro-life voters.
But that vote in the Senate shows that at least on a statewide level, Democrats have no interest in doing that. The bill to "codify Roe" actually went far beyond how things currently stand with Roe and Casey. And every Democratic senator minus one voted for it. Now, everyone knew the bill would fail miserably, so there may have been senators who voted for it to appease their angry base in the moment without consequence but may be willing to moderate later down the line. But for now, no sign of moderation in the Senate. Maybe in the House, maybe on a state legislature level. I know there's at least one Democratic state senator here in Virginia who's joined with Republicans in opposing extreme abortion bills in the past.
On the other side, it is somewhat reassuring that even moderate Republicans who support abortion to a degree didn't break ranks for that extreme abortion bill. And Joe Manchin again gets to keep his job.
Up to this point, "pro-life" politicians had their hands tied. Roe and Casey made it impossible to just completely restrict abortion. There was that citizen-enforced scheme that Texas came up with, but that always seemed too problematic in practice. No, the only way to get full restriction on abortion was to overturn Roe first, or for a state to just go full non-compliance with the federal government (which sounds like a problem, but hasn't stopped states from legalizing marijuana). Politicians could say they oppose abortion but not have to put their votes where their mouth is. Not anymore. If you are for allowing legal abortion to any degree, your voting record will show it.
This could be an opportunity for Democrats. There are a good amount of people who are disillusioned with the GOP but feel it's the only home for the fight against abortion. If Democrats can moderate on the issue, blur the distinction between moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans when it comes to abortion policy, they could at least undermine support for such Republicans from pro-life voters.
But that vote in the Senate shows that at least on a statewide level, Democrats have no interest in doing that. The bill to "codify Roe" actually went far beyond how things currently stand with Roe and Casey. And every Democratic senator minus one voted for it. Now, everyone knew the bill would fail miserably, so there may have been senators who voted for it to appease their angry base in the moment without consequence but may be willing to moderate later down the line. But for now, no sign of moderation in the Senate. Maybe in the House, maybe on a state legislature level. I know there's at least one Democratic state senator here in Virginia who's joined with Republicans in opposing extreme abortion bills in the past.
On the other side, it is somewhat reassuring that even moderate Republicans who support abortion to a degree didn't break ranks for that extreme abortion bill. And Joe Manchin again gets to keep his job.
Wanted to address this.
As a conscientious religious person, religion plays a central role in my decision whether to support any law or policy. If it goes against my values, which are religiously based, I won't support it.
And the dislike is mutual. I think any conception of "the Right" that isn't grounded in Christian religious values is prone to emotional irrationality and extremism, same as the progressive left. Any conservative coalition should be careful about letting in that kind of "right winger". There's some conflict over the soul of the GOP, in that regard. Thankfully, some recent elections indicate that kind of right winger isn't necessarily the future of the GOP (ie 2021's Virginia elections).
That said, I'm concerned about the decision motivating Democratic voters to the polls in November. But, if we do get Roe overturned - a huge victory for a movement after fifty years - I think that's worth one midterm election being slightly less red than it would otherwise be.
As a conscientious religious person, religion plays a central role in my decision whether to support any law or policy. If it goes against my values, which are religiously based, I won't support it.
And the dislike is mutual. I think any conception of "the Right" that isn't grounded in Christian religious values is prone to emotional irrationality and extremism, same as the progressive left. Any conservative coalition should be careful about letting in that kind of "right winger". There's some conflict over the soul of the GOP, in that regard. Thankfully, some recent elections indicate that kind of right winger isn't necessarily the future of the GOP (ie 2021's Virginia elections).
That said, I'm concerned about the decision motivating Democratic voters to the polls in November. But, if we do get Roe overturned - a huge victory for a movement after fifty years - I think that's worth one midterm election being slightly less red than it would otherwise be.
1. No decision has been announced and yes, they are being quiet.
2. No.
Sight.It have nothing to do with religion,and everything with cyvilization and modern science.
In any good cyvilization you could not kill people only becouse they exist,so you could not kill unborn people,too.
And thanks to modern science we knew,that humans begins their existence during conception.If you could kill unmorn humans,you could kill all humans.Leftist in EU arleady are killing eldery people.
We are defending children not becouse we are christians,but becouse we would be next if leftist do that.
P.S there is no other right wings then those who are christians,so ,if you support right,you must support christians,too.