The Chad Stalin won his war with millions of Slavic corpses, and yet present-day Sovok Slavs still love him! Go figure!
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The Chad Stalin won his war with millions of Slavic corpses, and yet present-day Sovok Slavs still love him! Go figure!
Those goods could have been marked on the Russian border, no?
Those offers happened once the stick of the embargo was used, so it is pretty obvious that it was an offer that they were not allowed to refuse.
And this is the crux of the issue Poland has with Russia. Whether its commies, tsars or now ex-KGB colonels, some things just simply don't change.
Those are very funny accusations to get from Russia of all places.
Just like Putin has no designs on Germany's territory. Technicalities are all fun, but they don't change the fact that there are many ways to gain undue control over other countries and grabbing their clay is just one of them.
And here we go with technicalities. Yeah, he fought Nazis, lets forget he's also one of the leader whose reign still raises arguments about whether it was worse than the former or not...
Its an oddly similar story with Bandera. For Ukrainian nationalists, he's also a hero who fought Soviets and Nazis. Likewise, they put less attention to the question of whether he was any better than them...
Since when was Russia in a customs union with Ukraine?
Eurasian Customs Union - Wikipedia
Where's Ukraine?
Russian embargo of Ukrainian goods - Wikipedia
Obviously Ukrainian goods were crossing into the territory of the customs union, which means Ukraine was not in it.
Also how is embargo an appropriate reaction to not being in a customs union, rather than you know, just not taking it into the union, or kicking it out if it was in already?
Ukraine was merely working on getting observer status in the customs union, which of course made kicking it out impossible, because it didn't even join yet.
Should all countries Russia is not in a customs union with just randomly embargo Russia for shits and giggles?
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Those offers happened once the stick of the embargo was used, so it is pretty obvious that it was an offer that they were not allowed to refuse.
And this is the crux of the issue Poland has with Russia. Whether its commies, tsars or now ex-KGB colonels, some things just simply don't change.
Those are very funny accusations to get from Russia of all places.
Just like Putin has no designs on Germany's territory. Technicalities are all fun, but they don't change the fact that there are many ways to gain undue control over other countries and grabbing their clay is just one of them.
And here we go with technicalities. Yeah, he fought Nazis, lets forget he's also one of the leader whose reign still raises arguments about whether it was worse than the former or not...
Its an oddly similar story with Bandera. For Ukrainian nationalists, he's also a hero who fought Soviets and Nazis. Likewise, they put less attention to the question of whether he was any better than them...
Since when was Russia in a customs union with Ukraine?
Eurasian Customs Union - Wikipedia
Where's Ukraine?
Russian embargo of Ukrainian goods - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Obviously Ukrainian goods were crossing into the territory of the customs union, which means Ukraine was not in it.
Also how is embargo an appropriate reaction to not being in a customs union, rather than you know, just not taking it into the union, or kicking it out if it was in already?
Ukraine was merely working on getting observer status in the customs union, which of course made kicking it out impossible, because it didn't even join yet.
Should all countries Russia is not in a customs union with just randomly embargo Russia for shits and giggles?
The problem with Russia is that it had little soft power appeal to Ukraine and thus tried using coercion and later force to lure Ukriane back into its orbit instead.
Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley, Abrams, FDR, Churchill...
Lets also get onto the large amount of Poles that fought BOTH, as well.
Saying that Hitler wanted to exterminate them all? Sure, he wanted to do that with a lot. Yet why praise Stalin? Who killed more then Hitler wishes he could have. What about what Communism has caused? do we need to talk about Mao? the Kim family?
Russia is literally being led by EX KGB, with the second biggest party being Commies.
Stalin is as much of a Hero as Hitler is.
He isnt one
Agent23
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1) Not Russian, and Russia has not done anything to your country for decades, so stop with the curcus.Those offers happened once the stick of the embargo was used, so it is pretty obvious that it was an offer that they were not allowed to refuse.
And this is the crux of the issue Poland has with Russia. Whether its commies, tsars or now ex-KGB colonels, some things just simply don't change.
Those are very funny accusations to get from Russia of all places.
Just like Putin has no designs on Germany's territory. Technicalities are all fun, but they don't change the fact that there are many ways to gain undue control over other countries and grabbing their clay is just one of them.
And here we go with technicalities. Yeah, he fought Nazis, lets forget he's also one of the leader whose reign still raises arguments about whether it was worse than the former or not...
Its an oddly similar story with Bandera. For Ukrainian nationalists, he's also a hero who fought Soviets and Nazis. Likewise, they put less attention to the question of whether he was any better than them...
Since when was Russia in a customs union with Ukraine?
Eurasian Customs Union - Wikipedia
Where's Ukraine?
Russian embargo of Ukrainian goods - Wikipedia
Obviously Ukrainian goods were crossing into the territory of the customs union, which means Ukraine was not in it.
Also how is embargo an appropriate reaction to not being in a customs union, rather than you know, just not taking it into the union, or kicking it out if it was in already?
Ukraine was merely working on getting observer status in the customs union, which of course made kicking it out impossible, because it didn't even join yet.
Should all countries Russia is not in a customs union with just randomly embargo Russia for shits and giggles?
2)Trade:
Ahem:
Russia introduces customs duties on Ukrainian goods
Russia has introduced customs duties on Ukrainian goods, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has announced at the Sochi Investment Forum. However, they...
3) Somebody said something about an eye for an eye leaving everyone blind.
You hurt yourself and the EU by constsntly going postal when Russia is mentioned and you turn yourself into an US and UK pawn.
I am not seeing my heating bills go up because of you and your little national vendetta.
SO, there you go, pole.Also, I see zero reason to continue talking with you on this subject, since fanatics can not be reasoned with.
But please, keep chanting "Russia, Russia, Russia" whenever the EU forces green taxes and green energy on you, or messes with your judiciary and a thousand other things.
Agent23
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I am not praising him, I am describing tbuthe situation in Russia, Hitler's little brain fart specifically said "kill all Slavs because they are subhumans and take their land."
So, yeah, better Staling than Hitler.
Also, this whole bringing up Stalin is just more pointless whataboutism, the fact is Bandera was a moron, he sides with idiots that had the extermination of his own people as part of their program and his disciples wish to remove or Ukraineianize all Russians in Ukraine.
Responding to the very valid criticism of Ukraine having literal Nazis that have paramilitary owithrganizarions and a say in the government with "but muh Russia likes Stalin" is not a valid couter argument.
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Its the first time i can remember anyone describing having the memory of a goldfish as a desirable characteristic for doing international politics.
Secondly its wrong.
FACTBOX: Russian oil and gas export interruptions
Russia has cut oil and gas supplies to neighbors and indirectly to onward customers in recent years.
www.reuters.com
If not for the paranoia over Russia's "gas politics", Poland would have been in a situation at least as shitty as Germany is in regard to being threatened with them by Russia.
The embargo happened in 2013, this is 2014.2)Trade:
Ahem:
Russia introduces customs duties on Ukrainian goods
Russia has introduced customs duties on Ukrainian goods, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has announced at the Sochi Investment Forum. However, they...www.rbth.com
This was not membership in customs union, just lifted duties.
And last but not least:
This was after the embargo, and unlike the embargo, was never activated.
Its not like being appeasing towards Russia saved Germany from energy bill hikes.
Seems like the only way to dodge Russia's heavy handed pressures is to remember to never trust Russia with anything important or valuable, unless you want to be its pawn.
Funny how you complain about Poland turning itself into a pawn of US and UK... When did they sanction Poland?
Well the EU is not USA and not UK anymore either, its Germany&friends who cause problems over this stuff.
Greens, German Greens specifically because they are the ones throwing their weight around in the EU, are a curious subject to bring up, since their truly schizophrenic set of nonsensical preferences in energy policies is what necessitates Germany's energy policy that is reliant on gas from Russia. If not for the green-left influence in Germany's politics, they could have a coal-nuclear energy focused energy policy, and with it no need to worry about offending Gazprom's owners in relations with Russia.
I'm pretty sure some intel people will be getting medals for that stuff, if they didn't already.
Or in other words, the faction in EU politics that is bitching about Poland's internal affairs the most is also the one who wants to make EU reliant on Russian gas. What a coincidence...
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France is a nuclear eneergy country and is just trying not to fall into the hands of Russia while not pissing off the US. So normal France.
Look, the US is doing its best to stop things.
Because we all know Russia wont stop with Ukraine. THey will work thier way towarsd making other countries in similair sitautions, maybe have some leave NATO and join them
Look, the US is doing its best to stop things.
Because we all know Russia wont stop with Ukraine. THey will work thier way towarsd making other countries in similair sitautions, maybe have some leave NATO and join them
Fishermen plan to disrupt Russian military exercise off Irish coast
Russia's Ambassador to Ireland says no harm is intended by the exercise scheduled for February.
www.bbc.com
Now this is good and proper way to fuck with the Russians, when they are sticking their noses in waters they really shouldn't be screwing around in.
Zachowon takes pride in coming from a military family and ancestry. Zachowon has never AFAIK, ever espoused any opinions evocative or supportive of white nationalist, white supremacy, neo-Confederacy, anti-Americanism, sedition or pro-slavery and yet Bacle felt the urge to bring up Zachowon taking pride in ancestors who served in the Confederacy because he wants to smear someone he disagrees with on one aspect of foreign policy as being a racist, white supremacist, traitor because he takes pride in having ancestors who had a martial legacy with the Confederate States of America and again, keeping in mind that Zachowon AFAIk has never espoused any opinions evocative or supportive of white nationalist, white supremacy, neo-Confederacy, anti-Americanism, sedition or pro-slavery.
It's pathetic and makes me think less of Bacle and anyone who defends that sort of pathetic ad hominem. But that's "context." As for calling Zachowon a "Warhawk" that means about as much as calling you a Stalinist or Fascist or Bacle a degenerate and pervert. Could I stretch what a person said enough to throw stupid slurs around in lieu of arguments? Sure. But why the fuck would I bother? Arguing or discussing with people is hostile enough for me without throwing stupid labels around.
Sorry I don't know what any of that means.
I was asking why a third of Ukranians venerate Bandera and so far the only reason you've brought up is because he wanted to exterminate all of the Slavs. Is that the only reason?
And also after hearing about how painful your families experience was with Communism and your previous statement about how Zachowon is a 'hypocite' for having pride in his families military background in the Confederacy I just want to contrast this statement:
With this one:
It sounds pretty strong like hero worship for Stalin who I'm assuming was a Communist. I get that its troubling for you that a third of Ukraine or so think Bandera was overall 'positive' and the only reason you've given for Ukrainians viewing Bandera as positive is because Bandera supported "exterminating all of the Slavs." But it's not troubling at all, not to the degree of hypocrisy to also find that over twice that number, as in over seventy percent of Russians view Stalin as more than just positive but as you state, find him heroic. I think over 70% of Russians viewing Stalin far beyond just "positive" to be rather troubling as well. Do you agree or disagree? And do you think some Ukranians might have some well founded reservations about Stalin or Communist/Soviet rule as well much like many Russians apparently do with this Bandera fellow?
Fishermen plan to disrupt Russian military exercise off Irish coast
Russia's Ambassador to Ireland says no harm is intended by the exercise scheduled for February.
Now this is good and proper way to fuck with the Russians, when they are sticking their noses in waters they really shouldn't be screwing around in.
I disagree, the Irish have had some disturbing connections with Nazis, the PLO, Qaddafi and others as well as refusing to recognize Israel until 1993 as well as supporting official government level BDS legislation. They restricted the emigration of Jewish children through their country. One of their supermarket chains even sold the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Clearly Nazi influenced or at least Nazi-Friendly. Like George Soros or something.
At least
I get that you are trying to play a smear game on me because I won't conform to the narrative around Ukraine, but now you are just reaching for bullshit.I disagree, the Irish have had some disturbing connections with Nazis, the PLO, Qaddafi and others as well as refusing to recognize Israel until 1993 as well as supporting official government level BDS legislation. They restricted the emigration of Jewish children through their country. One of their supermarket chains even sold the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Clearly Nazi influenced or at least Nazi-Friendly. Like George Soros or something.
At leastPutinHeroic Stalin and the Russians defeated Nazism. Irish certainly didn't do shit.
Also, Ireland quietly let Brit and US airman and sailors slip back tho thier lines, while German's who ended up thier were stuck for the duration.
I'm sorry, I don't think Nazis exterminating Jews and Slavs is bullshit. Nor do I engage in apologism for Islamic and Palestinian terrorism or antisemitism. The fact you apparently dismiss this all as "bullshit" is morally reprehensible. The fact your so hawkish and bloodthirsty that your cheering Nazi and Hamas-friendly fisherman into needlessly provoking the Russian military into pointless confrontations is equally deplorable.
Bacle said:
Yeah so? That Bandera guy according to the Wiki entry fought Nazis for a while and was even their prisoner for a while. And Zelensky is a Jew... doesn't make Ukraine any less Nazi Friendly.
Did you know that Eamon De Valera was voted as one of the Greatest Irish people even though he expressed condolences for the death of Adolf Hitler? Even though the Republicanism foreign policy was dual track, supporting appeasement, German nationalism as an adjunct to support the ending of the Irish partition, and supported the German policies including the remilitarization of the Rhineland, the annexation of Austria and their withdrawal from the League of Nations? Even though until 1939 and after British bribes (the 1938 Trade Treaty and Churchill even dangling Irish Reunification) they decided to pursue neutrality instead of supporting appeasement and the de Valera government even punishing Irish Army deserters for joining the Allied cause after the war?
It is nice that they were able to let Allied POW's quietly slip across the border as opposed to secretly catapulting Nazi POW's a thousand miles back to Germany though lol.
Doesn't make them any less Nazi-friendly. Irish are really the Ukranians of Western Europe I guess. Britain should sort that out and put those "Little British" in their place.
Agent23
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Its the first time i can remember anyone describing having the memory of a goldfish as a desirable characteristic for doing international politics.
Secondly its wrong.
That's just few years of funny business with energy politics, including few cases of Poland being collateral damage in it.FACTBOX: Russian oil and gas export interruptions
Russia has cut oil and gas supplies to neighbors and indirectly to onward customers in recent years.
If not for the paranoia over Russia's "gas politics", Poland would have been in a situation at least as shitty as Germany is in regard to being threatened with them by Russia.
Hey, be dependent on much more expensive Arab and US LNG, if you can build terminals and pipelines for that and you can provide it at a lower price than Russia does, and meet the EU's needs - then be my guest, I am happy to see diversification in the energy industry.
While you are at it, might as well build more nuclear powerplants than the entirety of Fallout.
Yeah, it is not like the US and UK don't have a history of abandoning their allies because of changing internal political tides.
The greens being pro-Russia?
Sure dude, sure, tell that to the likes of Annalena Baerbock, who had to get bent over and spanked to play nice with them, but unlike the greens the more established parties at least know they should not threaten a 50 billion per year's worth bilateral trade.
The greens are a self-inflicted western injury.
Merkel is a well-known Russia hater and she closed down all of Germany's power-plants.
Also, might I note that you don't pick a fucking fight with your main energy provider unless you have working alternatives!
I fucking hate green energy and I hate that I am required by law to buy x amount of so called green energy.
But hey, why organize a counter-force around stopping that shit when you can just ree about muh Russia.
Frankly you Poles are about as useful to the EU politically as the neocuck chickenhawks are in the USA.
Do something good for the whole community, present decent alternatives that don't cost more money, tell Brussels to fuck itself with the green lunacy more often, and then maybe we can talk about your boogieman obsession.
Fishermen plan to disrupt Russian military exercise off Irish coast
Russia's Ambassador to Ireland says no harm is intended by the exercise scheduled for February.
Now this is good and proper way to fuck with the Russians, when they are sticking their noses in waters they really shouldn't be screwing around in.
An important aspect of this is that the area the Russians are planning on carrying out their exercises in just happens to have a bunch of underwater cables in it, and recently the Russians appear to have been cutting the cables for different underwater tech of Scandinavian countries.
Agent23
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Got proof?
Or is this like those satellite pictures of the buildup with the permanent barracks cut out?
Agent23
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Nope, but stuff like this, if it did happen, would cause a diplomatic row and the MSM and the US deep state going ballistic, they love blaming stuff on Russia in which they had no hand in, like Trump winning in 2016.Yeah. I'm sure someone else had the opportunity or the motivation.
Oh, I know...
You just have a knee-jerk reaction to defending anything and everything Russia does, don't you?
It hasn't.
Also, the global internet backbone has been under a lot of strain recently, so that might be causing some of the problems, not damaged cables, or maybe rough weather conditions and under-investment in infrastructure are the actual culprits.
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I honestly don't even know if I have Confederate soldiers in my family. No one knows but it is likely, or we fought for the union.Zachowon takes pride in coming from a military family and ancestry. Zachowon has never AFAIK, ever espoused any opinions evocative or supportive of white nationalist, white supremacy, neo-Confederacy, anti-Americanism, sedition or pro-slavery and yet Bacle felt the urge to bring up Zachowon taking pride in ancestors who served in the Confederacy because he wants to smear someone he disagrees with on one aspect of foreign policy as being a racist, white supremacist, traitor because he takes pride in having ancestors who had a martial legacy with the Confederate States of America and again, keeping in mind that Zachowon AFAIk has never espoused any opinions evocative or supportive of white nationalist, white supremacy, neo-Confederacy, anti-Americanism, sedition or pro-slavery.
It's pathetic and makes me think less of Bacle and anyone who defends that sort of pathetic ad hominem. But that's "context." As for calling Zachowon a "Warhawk" that means about as much as calling you a Stalinist or Fascist or Bacle a degenerate and pervert. Could I stretch what a person said enough to throw stupid slurs around in lieu of arguments? Sure. But why the fuck would I bother? Arguing or discussing with people is hostile enough for me without throwing stupid labels around.
Sorry I don't know what any of that means.
I was asking why a third of Ukranians venerate Bandera and so far the only reason you've brought up is because he wanted to exterminate all of the Slavs. Is that the only reason?
And also after hearing about how painful your families experience was with Communism and your previous statement about how Zachowon is a 'hypocite' for having pride in his families military background in the Confederacy I just want to contrast this statement:
With this one:
It sounds pretty strong like hero worship for Stalin who I'm assuming was a Communist. I get that its troubling for you that a third of Ukraine or so think Bandera was overall 'positive' and the only reason you've given for Ukrainians viewing Bandera as positive is because Bandera supported "exterminating all of the Slavs." But it's not troubling at all, not to the degree of hypocrisy to also find that over twice that number, as in over seventy percent of Russians view Stalin as more than just positive but as you state, find him heroic. I think over 70% of Russians viewing Stalin far beyond just "positive" to be rather troubling as well. Do you agree or disagree? And do you think some Ukranians might have some well founded reservations about Stalin or Communist/Soviet rule as well much like many Russians apparently do with this Bandera fellow?
Idk.
I am just making the point that individual soldiers should not be tarred snd feathered because they lost.
They should be remembered for putting thier life on the line for something they believe in. Thier cause may nit be just, but thier purpose for fighting often is.