From all I know is the Normandy talks caused ceasefire to contuine in Donbass.
I read it in an article and I think it is what RUssia is gonna use to say HEY! They are doing something er havrto invade to stop
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I read it in an article and I think it is what RUssia is gonna use to say HEY! They are doing something er havrto invade to stop
If the ceasefire is continuing, then that's good.
As I said, what the gov of Ukraine thinks is going on is what I will trust for now, and not much else.
Too many ulterior motives in all other parties.
THe Gov is doing that probrably because it makes life easier for them.
Russia is going to invade
Yes, I know you've been convinced of that, or at least have to act like you have.
As I've said, too many parties outside Ukraine have ulterior motives for what they say about the situation, including your bosses.
Russia is going to invade
Maybe, maybe not; I'll believe it if/when Kiev is saying it's happening.
Why?
Because they are trying to say "We arnt scared Russia?"
Is Russia going to waste that blood?
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
It's hilarious to watch USA establishment scream itself hoarse in their craving for war, while Ukraine itself is backpedalling from war hysteria, which is interesting, as Ukraine is State Department dependency, when American ambassador says jump, Ukrainian president asks how high. Before this crisis, Ukrainian president has been systematically reinforcing his power, destroying his opponents and silencing the media, with full American support, apparently to prevent any dissent of significance during this shitshow. The fact that president himself is now dissenting can mean two things, either State Department (or faction within) is deviating from the script or Ukraine has found a new sugar daddy.
The first option probably would mean that there is behind the scene struggle between Pentagon and State Department. The second one, while Zelensky surely doesn't like of idea of USA using his country as a bear bait, the Ukraine is fully dependent on foreign money, so both obeying and disobeying USA can kill his presidency. And while no one has the limitless credit of the USA, Germany has many economic incentives it can use to entice Ukraine and delay the economic downturn until the next presidential elections and perhaps negotiate some concessions from Russia, so it's tenuously possible that Zelensky is transferring allegiance from USA to EU (Germany).
The first option probably would mean that there is behind the scene struggle between Pentagon and State Department. The second one, while Zelensky surely doesn't like of idea of USA using his country as a bear bait, the Ukraine is fully dependent on foreign money, so both obeying and disobeying USA can kill his presidency. And while no one has the limitless credit of the USA, Germany has many economic incentives it can use to entice Ukraine and delay the economic downturn until the next presidential elections and perhaps negotiate some concessions from Russia, so it's tenuously possible that Zelensky is transferring allegiance from USA to EU (Germany).
I think Zelensky is more interested in work with Germany and France to keep a fight from happening, and those blood supplies would be a small price to pay to help detach Ukraine from the US and shift it in to a more EU aligned/US neutral political position.
Kiev reporting to Paris or Berlin is far more acceptable to Putin than them reporting to DC, because neither Paris or Berlin are full of warhawks who want to crush/contain Russia the way DC is.
You are an idiot Bacle.
Because Germany is going to throw Ukraine under the bus and say "Here Russia, have as kuch as you want because we don't wanna rely on ourselves."
France is being France and being scared frogs who will fight if need be but will try and talk things out.
You sure sound like Chamberlain... "Peace talks guys! PEACE TALKS! WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE SUDATENLAND! I mean...eastern Ukraine"
And you are a self-admitted warmonger.
I'm just watching what is happening outside the untrustworthy clusterfuck of DC, and seeing what the people who have the most skin in the game (Ukraine) are saying.
Also, France isn't 'scarefy frogs', they are one of the few nations in Europe not under the thumb of DC, and Germany isn't going to favor a war with Russia, no matter how many people in DC are trying to hype the situation up.
Maybe and invasion will happen, maybe it won't, but acting as though it is a foregone conclusion is just more warmongering from you, at this point. Russia and Europe are very well aware of how easy it is to rile up the warhawks in the US establishment, and lead them around by the nose using posturing, while having nothing actually happen and making the US look like even more of a joke.
Russia also is unlikely to make any moves untill the Olympics are over, because Beijing does not want a war in Ukraine distracting from thier glorious games.
Batrix2070
RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
The Russians are the masters of fooling everyone. They have to do it especially in this situation because they cannot afford this war. They simply play with their army to have a better position in negotiations. And, as usual, the USA does not know how to and does not understand that violence can be dosed in the right quantity and that it is not necessary to attack with all one's might at once. Ukrainians know it, that's why they are less afraid of Russians than DC. And yet your elites have to show that they are strong, except that Russia is not that strong and if the Polish Army had been better managed for the last 30 years it could have stopped Russia on its own.
The US military, and parts of DC, has been pining for the glory days of WW2, after the embarrassments in Vietnam, Iraq, and A-stan, and wants to show how strong and powerful it is to soothe it's wounded ego and pride.
Because the fact is, outside of the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1/2, not many US military actions have been seen by history as 'righteous' and the US military likes to see itself as the most righteous institution on Earth.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Seems legit, when your entire country and worldview are centered around religious universalism you need to constantly tilt at windmills.
That is true for the modern America, but did this form of puritan missionaryism drove the USA prior to WWI?
Manifest Destiny ring a bell.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Is there anything that actually keeps the USA together besides what Kissinger terms Messianism?
Our sports teams, and internal trade interdependence.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
And that's different from what USA is doing? Because right now you are keeping up war hysteria for three months in a hope that Russia will snap and invade, so you can let them get slaughtered and slap on some additional sanctions as punishment. Vast majority Ukrainians are not particular enthusiastic about being disposable bear bait. And honestly, it's quite an achievement that USA manged to turn Ukraine from obedient vassal into dissident, seeking new master, in a matter of months.