Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread
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The Dnieper does not reflect the ethno-linguistic boundaries of Ukraine and such a border would leave half of Kiev inside the Pro-Russian buffer state:
Please compare this map to this map, though:
Terthna
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And your entire argument seems to be based on a personal hatred of Russia. Like it or not, Crimea held a vote with an 83 percent turnout that resulted in 96.77 percent of votes in favor of rejoining Russia. You whinge about those who wanted to stay Ukrainian, but they amount to little more than a rounding error; and demanding that the decision be based on their desires basically invalidates the entire conceit of voting to determine one's destiny. And before you go on about how that vote was clearly rigged, I've got just one question for you; can you provide any evidence to support your accusation? Beyond simply shouting "balding man bad"?
Makes me wonder what would Russia do if other world powers used special operations to temporarily take over small parts of Russia that have non-Russian ethnic majorities (there are such areas), ran (let's assume honest) referendums in those regions, and if they vote yes, join them to whatever country they feel like being part of, with nuclear umbrella provided by their allied nuclear power.
For bonus points, lets assume that the country in question has successfully encouraged immigration of said minority to the territory in question over the last century.
So long story short, even if Russia has a decent argument in current ethnic composition of Crimea, and even if said ethnic composition wants to be part of Russia (with referendums at gunpoint, its hard to be sure), they still went around it the wrong way, that Russia itself (and especially Russia of all countries) would react to with extreme violence if it was done to Russia.
To add insult to injury, Russia is still threatening the now Russian majority area deprived Ukraine over the remaining part's desire to ally with western countries, rather than letting it go, in the end revealing what this relationship is really about for Russia.
Says the guy whose entire argument seems to be based on a personal hatred of the US.
I don't hate Russia - I just hate the fact their government seems to want to relive the glory days of the Soviet Union and take over all their old satellite states they had puppet governments in.
And apparently Crimea wasn't enough for them. What's funny is that we had much the same discussion back then, about how it was just going to be Crimea, and how they wanted to join anyway, so why pick a fight with Russia. Well, we can see now that Russia isn't stopping with Crimea.
Look in a mirror.There was some polling indicating that a majority of Crimeans wished to join Russia, but it wasn't as high as 97%:
2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
For Crimea, there's also this article, though this chart is a bit misleading because it excludes those who are unsure from its calculations. So, if a poll has 60% in favor of Crimean annexation, 20% opposed, and 20% unsure, then this chart will show it as being 75% in favor of Crimean annexation since 60/(60+20) = 60/80 = 0.75 = 75%, with the 20% unsure percentage being completely excluded from these calculations. I think that it's basing this on the assumption that the default thinking should be that the unsure should split evenly in their final opinion of this question, which might be fine as a default assumption but isn't necessarily guaranteed to always actually be the case.
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Trump is Factually Right on Crimea, by Anatoly Karlin - The Unz Review
archived 28 Jan 2022 20:25:31 UTC
King Arts
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Well first we need to go over what Romanians are, the most common acknowledged thing is they are a mix of the ancient Dacians, and Ancient Roman colonists after Trajan conqured the area along with Slavic influence. There is good evidence that the Romanians are descended from Ancient Rome, not just the name they share a romance language just like the Italians, French, Spanish, and Portugese. Those people still existed and were a nation even if they weren't independent or free, just because the Yuan dynasty was Mongol does not mean China no longer existed in that period. Also your video is mostly focused on the balkan area, and the southern tip of Romania we were talking about the region of Moldavia. Also Wallachians did not rule Moldova until Romania as a nation united Wallachia was in the south as your video shows, but there was a seperate principality of Moldova. Both were Romanians just like how both the people of Novgorod, and Muscovy were both Russians even if they are under seperate crowns.
Also are you Russian? Is Russia planning to expand southwards once they find "historical evidence" that Ukraine was never a historical country but those people are just Russians LARPing?
Agent23
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So basically a newly invented country like Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Macedonia and Czecho-Slovakia, built on tentative ethno-linguistic similarities and geography with some brand new creation myth to beef it up ideologically?
I am pretty sure the Walachians didn't identify themselves as Romans, also you are forgetting all the Avars, Kumans, Pechenegs, proto-Bulgars and other assorted tribes that went through there and settled.
Literally that whole place was under Bulgar or ottoman control much longer than the whole of Romania's actual history
There was never a separate country called Romania on that territory since before the Avar Khaganate.
If the Moldovans wish to stay out of Romania then that is their business, same how it is the business of the breakaway republics and Crimea if they want to stay out of Ukraine and rejoin Russia, and they overwhelmingly do.
Nope.Also, I asked you first, suspected komshu!
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Poor guys.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Moscow Times said:
Russian Billionaires Lost $28Bln in Market Sell-Off - The Moscow Times
Russian billionaires have lost a combined $28 billion in recent days amid drastic falls in the value of Russian companies and the ruble in response to mounting fears of military conflict.
www.themoscowtimes.com
Agent23
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They have lost nothing, they are probably still the majority holders of their respective companies, and benefit from the profits.Poor guys.
Russian Billionaires Lost $28Bln in Market Sell-Off - The Moscow Times
Russian billionaires have lost a combined $28 billion in recent days amid drastic falls in the value of Russian companies and the ruble in response to mounting fears of military conflict.
If anything I think it is time to buy the Russian ETF or some Polimetal if it is at a bargain price.
Agent23
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Please compare this map to this map, though:
Yanukovich was the vote for staying in Russia's good graces/sphere of influence.
So, yeah, I'd say it is safe to assume that the blue areas want nothing to do with Ukraine.
Noticing any patterns here?
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Yanukovich was the vote for staying in Russia's good graces/sphere of influence.
So, yeah, I'd say it is safe to assume that the blue areas want nothing to do with Ukraine.
Noticing any patterns here?
Yanukovych ran on a pro-EU platform in 2010, if I recall correctly. That remained his stance until late 2013. He was pro-Russian in other regards, however, such as on language rights.
Anyway:
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EXCLUSIVE Russia moves blood supplies near Ukraine, adding to U.S. concern, officials say
Russia's military buildup near Ukraine has expanded to include supplies of blood along with other medical materials that would allow it to treat casualties, in yet another key indicator of Moscow's military readiness, three U.S. officials tell Reuters.
www.reuters.com
EXCLUSIVE Russia moves blood supplies near Ukraine, adding to U.S. concern, officials say
Russia's military buildup near Ukraine has expanded to include supplies of blood along with other medical materials that would allow it to treat casualties, in yet another key indicator of Moscow's military readiness, three U.S. officials tell Reuters.
www.reuters.com
@The Whispering Monk
Ok, that is a bit worrying.
Moving large quantities of blood supplies around is not done on a whim, and is risky to do as a saber rattling move, because of how easy it is for something to go wrong and end up loosing a large amount of a critical medical supply to a simple auto accident or refrigeration failure.
It may be a move to try to put pressure on in the 4-party talks, and I hope thats all this is.
Moving large quantities of blood supplies around is not done on a whim, and is risky to do as a saber rattling move, because of how easy it is for something to go wrong and end up loosing a large amount of a critical medical supply to a simple auto accident or refrigeration failure.
It may be a move to try to put pressure on in the 4-party talks, and I hope thats all this is.
Even on refrigeration?
I thought properly refrigerated blood could last nigh indefinitely.
I wonder if there are low key blood drives happening across Russia at the moment.
Blood plasma, yes though not that indefinitely, more like a years varying with storage conditions, complete blood, no.
As Marduk said.
It is never good to bring blood out