Whatever his handlers want him to be aware of.
The 4-party talks leaving the US out makes Biden look bad, so I guess they are hoping if Biden didn't know of them the handlers could just memory-hole the talks, and hope no US press asked about them.
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The 4-party talks leaving the US out makes Biden look bad, so I guess they are hoping if Biden didn't know of them the handlers could just memory-hole the talks, and hope no US press asked about them.
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So?
If we invade Kamchatka Russia will lose the bonus SEVEN armies they get for controlling all of Asia.
Game. Blouses win!
Okay, this was funny, take my like.
HL, do you see any analogy between the current Ukraine situation and Turkey's 1974 invasion of Cyprus? Back then, Cyprus wanted union with Greece ("enosis") and Turkey thus felt compelled to intervene in order to protect the Turkish Cypriots. Here, Russia wants to prevent Ukraine from integrating with NATO--and I'm not sure about the EU--and thus might seize a huge chunk of Ukraine in order to create a nominally neutralist pro-Russian puppet state there.
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Sounds about right, sans the whole ethnic cleansing thing after.
Yeah--and also the fact that Ukraine will be split into three parts rather than two:
-An openly pro-Russian regime in the Donbass
-A nominally neutralist regime in the south, east, and center
-An openly pro-Western regime in the west
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I doubt that, personally. Everything coming out of Russia and what Western sources are suggesting is just two; a Pro-Moscow entity and probably leaving a rump Western Ukraine as a Pro-NATO entity.
But the Donbass already has its own governmental structures; disbanding them won't be easy. They could theoretically be incorporated into a neutralist Ukraine as highly autonomous entities, however.
Also, the guy that Britain said Russia wants to install in Ukraine is a neutralist:
Russia rejects UK claim of trying to replace Ukraine leader
Russia's Foreign Ministry has rejected a British claim that Russia is seeking to replace Ukraine’s government with a pro-Moscow administration and that former Ukrainian lawmaker Yevheniy Murayev is being considered as a potential candidate.
apnews.com
Outwardly pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine decreased after 2014, so a neutralist posture would have more support.
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But the Donbass already has its own governmental structures; disbanding them won't be easy. They could theoretically be incorporated into a neutralist Ukraine as highly autonomous entities, however.
Also, the guy that Britain said Russia wants to install in Ukraine is a neutralist:
Russia rejects UK claim of trying to replace Ukraine leader
Russia's Foreign Ministry has rejected a British claim that Russia is seeking to replace Ukraine’s government with a pro-Moscow administration and that former Ukrainian lawmaker Yevheniy Murayev is being considered as a potential candidate.
Outwardly pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine decreased after 2014, so a neutralist posture would have more support.
I have skepticism over the British claims, but taking it at face value it's not impossible to fold the Donbass structures into a new Ukraine with them serving as a base. If we take the British claims as factual, he's going to need a lot more than just what his party alone can provide to produce a new government.
The new government will presumably have its legitimacy based on Russian bayonets, with any elections that will be held being rigged, similar to August 2020 Belarus. Ukrainians don't want to vote for pro-Russian politicians or even for neutralist politicians.
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If it's based on Russian bayonets, not exactly neutral no?
But who would support a neutralist regime at all?
No one wants it. West won't care at best, and Russia would gladly have a bigger pro-Russian polity instead.
Why would even local Ukrainians want neutrality so bad?
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I also learned the other day what that one proposal map I've posted here before was based on, and I think @WolfBear might like it because it comes from KIIS:
So?I also learned the other day what that one proposal map I've posted here before was based on, and I think @WolfBear might like it because it comes from KIIS:
Why language, not ethnicity like the previous one?
Ukraine's language politics are... disrupted by the Soviet history in which Russian language was clearly favored by the state.
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Which previous one?
BREAKING NEWS!
Danish DefenCe Minister Trine Bramsen has stated her country is going to deploy four F-16 fighters to Lithuania!
No idea yet on the details of this story but it's clear that Minister Bramsen has been keeping abreast of the growing tensions that have been buttoned up for quite some time. As of yet she has no comment on a pair of F35's that have been sighted in the region recently, bursting onto the scene and whether their barely concealed deployment will pop off the swelling tensions that up to this point the Russians have been intent on milking. Whether this will merely provide a pleasant distraction or prove to bust negotiations that up to this point have been hanging on by a thread remains unknown. But both sides have deployed increased reconnaissance elements to the affected region.
With the sudden arrival of more ballistics in the area of operations, on both sides of the border emergency landing strips are being prepared, launchers placed on full alert and motor boat squadrons in the Baltic and Black Seas activated.
Danish DefenCe Minister Trine Bramsen has stated her country is going to deploy four F-16 fighters to Lithuania!
No idea yet on the details of this story but it's clear that Minister Bramsen has been keeping abreast of the growing tensions that have been buttoned up for quite some time. As of yet she has no comment on a pair of F35's that have been sighted in the region recently, bursting onto the scene and whether their barely concealed deployment will pop off the swelling tensions that up to this point the Russians have been intent on milking. Whether this will merely provide a pleasant distraction or prove to bust negotiations that up to this point have been hanging on by a thread remains unknown. But both sides have deployed increased reconnaissance elements to the affected region.
With the sudden arrival of more ballistics in the area of operations, on both sides of the border emergency landing strips are being prepared, launchers placed on full alert and motor boat squadrons in the Baltic and Black Seas activated.
How hard was it for you to type that without laughingBREAKING NEWS!
Danish DefenCe Minister Trine Bramsen has stated her country is going to deploy four F-16 fighters to Lithuania!
No idea yet on the details of this story but it's clear that Minister Bramsen has been keeping abreast of the growing tensions that have been buttoned up for quite some time. As of yet she has no comment on a pair of F35's that have been sighted in the region recently, bursting onto the scene and whether their barely concealed deployment will pop off the swelling tensions that up to this point the Russians have been intent on milking. Whether this will merely provide a pleasant distraction or prove to bust negotiations that up to this point have been hanging on by a thread remains unknown. But both sides have deployed increased reconnaissance elements to the affected region.
With the sudden arrival of more ballistics in the area of operations, on both sides of the border emergency landing strips are being prepared, launchers placed on full alert and motor boat squadrons in the Baltic and Black Seas activated.
I always do.People actually noticed the words in my post?!?!
I also learned the other day what that one proposal map I've posted here before was based on, and I think @WolfBear might like it because it comes from KIIS:
FWIW, the East-Center and South were also rather solidly for Zelensky in the 2019 Ukrainian elections. Only the East was in favor of the neutralist Yuri Boyko.
It would only be nominally/formally neutral in the sense of not joining the Eurasian Economic Union, the SCO, or the CSTO:
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Collective Security Treaty Organization - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
But it will be pro-Russian in a substantive sense, perhaps similar to how South Vietnam was nominally neutral but really pro-American during the Vietnam War.