Perhaps it’s just my personal perception? But the only ones I’m seeing screaming the most about “what if the US sends troops to the Ukraine”, “what if there’s a nuclear war over the Ukraine” ad nauseum, are the ones claiming to oppose such ventures. Greenwald, Tucker, Gabbard, etc. Maybe I’m wrong, but for all this talk about the warhawks claiming to want a war over the Ukraine, I dont see the Pentagon issuing any WARNORDs to expect troop mobilizations, or massive shipments of heavy armor and artillery into the Ukraine from the West, with of course the exception of heavy weapons like ATGMS for the Ukrainian forces. Also, I don’t see any calls by the administration or Pentagon for the US to send armed forces into Ukraine.
Again, my perception, but it seems whenever Putin makes noise, certain actors automatically start bending over backwards to be Putin apologists and cry over how “aggressive” NATO and the West is being.
We are waiting for those WARNOs because me and some guys I know in other NATO armies are thinking some members of a NATO force are going to die in the invasion, and that is gonna bring us in.
POLAND is the main issue everyone is worried, because they are in direct path of the Russians after Ukraine. "B-but they fall under NATO!"
So? What is gonna stop the US fromnot getting invovled again? NATO? Biden has basically shown he doesnt care for our allies.
Ukraine has become a farce.
I don't mean the nation, I mean the situation.
It is obvious this is only a Geopolitical circlejerk between D.C. and Moscow. There is no real ideological drive or big question here. Russia wants to get back to being a Superpower and the USA won't let them. Ukraine is being caught in the crossfire because sadly the fact is they were Russian for the last 250 years and so they have a big target painted on their back.
But it has become near impossible to defend this behavior, because there is no legitimate claim on the Western side. When conflicts like this happen you need a narrative. Each side has one. Russia sees Ukraine as rightful land for them and claims the USA is prodding on their turf and they started it by meddling in Ukrainian politics in the first place. The first is highly debatable, the second is a fact but doesn't work as much towards Russia's favor outside of their own borders, but the last point about the USA interfering first is a complete diplomatic killshot. It's just the truth. They did. Color Revolutions were all the rage under Obama and look what a nice mess it turned out to be.
But what does the USA have to offer in narrative? Why should we care about Ukraine? "Democracy"? What democracy? People have become completely disillusioned after 20 years of foreign dick waving to "fight terrorists" and "support moderate rebels". We have seen how this shit ends with Syria and Libya and Egypt and their "peaceful revolutions" in the 2010s. Patriotism? The government is actively talking down to people who are patriotic, they are replacing the fundamental american values with equity and diversity and no one wants that. The people who actually would volunteer to go out and fight have no reason to do so.
No one wants to die for Kiev outside of Ukraine, and even then it seems there is a fraction of Ukranians who don't want to do so either. This is a complete farce of a proxy conflict, and I am sad to say Putin has played his cards expertly here. The maggots in D.C. are living in a complete bubble, convinced the world hasn't really changed since 2002 other than phones being a bit more modern and the TVs now being flat instead of CRTs. They fully think they can just direct the media to whip up a "WMDs production facility" or a "They went into the maternity ward and began shutting off the incubators for the babies" and have a few divisions ready to do some Shock and Awe, America Fuck Yeah to balance the budgets with new influx of cash and feel good. It's not.
This is fucking Russia. I don't care about the cope "muh outdated Soviet shit" and "lel Italy has a bigger GDP". That's missing the point. They are literally next to the battle, can prepare and do a invasion in a few days and be done, and if the west tries and do anything they can and WILL rely on the Nuclear Deterent. Putin knows this. Fucker is ex-KGB. His entire strategy as the Russian leader since he came into power in the 2000's has been one quite different from pretty much the entire of Russia history. He doesn't do long term, he doesn't really do large scale, he is extremely cautious about spending Russian lives in military adventures (especially in the context of Russia). He took his KGB training and applied it in full on his new Russian Federation. He plans, waits, calculates, and then delivers a single powerful surgical strike. The 2014 Donbass/Crimea thing was exactly this. There were a few months preparation, manouvers, geopolitic plays, and then once day "unmarked soldiers" crossed over and the Crimea "seceded" and then voted and voila, Russian. Done.
Obama couldn't really do anything. The west couldn't really do anything. There were talks and sanctions and blusters, but in the end Russia got away mostly scoot free. Maybe Obama and his cronies could have turned it into a proxy war, but do you think they would have managed to stop it? I don't. It wouldn't be worth it. By the time troops could get to Crimea it would have been far too late to make it really possible to drive the "unmarked soldiers" back and too dangerous.
And this was 2014. Unity was still super high. People still mostly believed shit. Compare that to today. Do you really see people rallying around this shit? After Afghanistan?
I feel sorry for Ukraine if anything. The West failed them by rotting from inside out.
You do know majority of the Ukrainians are willing to die against the Russians because when they were Russian puppet states, they lived worse?
and the coup of 2014 was more then just the US. It was the country not wanting to be apart of Russia.
But again. THe thing is, RUSSIA HAS NO CLAIM TO UKRAINE! If anythingPoland has more claim then Russia. SO why not give it to Poland?
All I see in here is "America is the bad guy because we arnt letting Russia invade a soverign nation they once had control over before they got ousted by a coup that the Russians blame on America."
The Russians will always claim America started it, that NATO started it.
But idk.
Maybe we will get deployed, maybe we will just sell arms. Just know that if the US and NATO do not stop Russia, they WILL do what ever they can to get the baltic states to leave NATO and then "Take back thier land".
If you dont beilive me, then you are ignorant and to in the mind of "LET THEM FIGHT FOR THEMSELVES!" Guess every country should be invaded by Russia then. Only makes sense since they cant defend, and they could have claims as having a large ethnic russian population.
Hell, if Ethnic population is a reaosn for invasion, we are on the list ourselves as Americans.....
Also, what makes Ukraine diffrent from Taiwan?
Also, nukes will not be fired if troops are in Ukraine. Russia isnt stupid enough because their docrtine is for homeland defense. They know nuking in Ukraine is a deathsentence. They are not going to do that. One also needs to know that nukes are also not an end all be all espeically if air burst
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