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King Arts

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Ah....
That explains it fully.
The weakest foreign policy president ever

The sale of F14s was before the revolution wasn't it? That is what always gets me confused so makes sense.
It was Iraq we supported.
We sold some stuff before the revolution, and they had to make what they had work since they couldn't import anything else, I was browsing wikipedia They were able to maintain it in house for quite a while. But the Iran Contra deal did give them some more stuff.

 

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We sold some stuff before the revolution, and they had to make what they had work since they couldn't import anything else, I was browsing wikipedia They were able to maintain it in house for quite a while. But the Iran Contra deal did give them some more stuff.

I forgot when the revolution happend and thought it happend much earlier then it did
 

Marduk

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I understand dislike of leftists, and socialists(communists) and maybe Baathists. I don't know too much about Nasserists, but why is pan Arabist bad? Is it just bad because you want a bunch of small squabling nations that you can divide, instead of dealing with one more powerful nation?
And that one powerful nation certainly would have been a nice and democratic ally to NATO...
Oh, wait, let's be realistic.
Advocates of pan-Arabism have often espoused Arab socialist principles and strongly opposed Western political involvement in the Arab world. It also sought to empower Arab states against outside forces by forming alliances and, to a lesser extent, economic co-operation.[3]
Why would NATO support making the Arab world stronger, redder and more hostile to itself, all at the same time? It wasn't current year back then and leftists weren't in charge of the West.
 

Poe

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And that one powerful nation certainly would have been a nice and democratic ally to NATO...
Oh, wait, let's be realistic.

Why would NATO support making the Arab world stronger, redder and more hostile to itself, all at the same time? It wasn't current year back then and leftists weren't in charge of the West.
even if it wasn't red, the creation of a caliphate is not against the interest of the west and flies in the face of maintaining a balance of power in eurasia.
 

King Arts

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And that one powerful nation certainly would have been a nice and democratic ally to NATO...
Oh, wait, let's be realistic.

Why would NATO support making the Arab world stronger, redder and more hostile to itself, all at the same time? It wasn't current year back then and leftists weren't in charge of the West.
You said they were scum and they are evil? Your morality is silly being against you doesen't make someone scum. Scum is doing bad things. Like a Chinese or Russian can say that Westerners and pro NATO groups are scum. Because they are against the ability of Russia or China to do what they want for their empire.

A non socialist Arab super nation is powerful yes, but you haven't given a reason for why it's "evil" besides they would be able to stand against the west and don't have to meekly obey them. You've also in past threads said that the chaos in the Middle east is not the wests fault. But here you are contradicting yourself where you say that the things done to weaken the Arabs is good. Then the Arabs can blame you for what you and the west in general does.
even if it wasn't red, the creation of a caliphate is not against the interest of the west and flies in the face of maintaining a balance of power in eurasia.
Well an Arab super state is not necessarily a caliphate. No more than the U.S. is a Christian theocracy in the past.
 

Marduk

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You said they were scum and they are evil? Your morality is silly being against you doesen't make someone scum. Scum is doing bad things. Like a Chinese or Russian can say that Westerners and pro NATO groups are scum. Because they are against the ability of Russia or China to do what they want for their empire.
Have you missed the part about socialism?
Add their well feelings towards Israel and Jews, and Soviet support, and not only there are reasons to call them scum, but there's a choice of reasons.

Speaking of empires doing whatever the fuck they want, most of the Arab states in question got their independence from British and the French with little to no fight for it, out of western idealist political motivations and trying to virtue signal against Soviet's landgrabbing ways, which is the reverse of what Russia and China are currently wanting to do, so yes, a bit of a different attitude would be expected there.
A non socialist Arab super nation is powerful yes, but you haven't given a reason for why it's "evil" besides they would be able to stand against the west and don't have to meekly obey them.
The Arabs of today (and especially back then) were also quite clear with their feelings regarding Israel and the West. They aren't exactly fans of western countries, why should we not return the sentiment?
You've also in past threads said that the chaos in the Middle east is not the wests fault. But here you are contradicting yourself where you say that the things done to weaken the Arabs is good.
Yes, the West was not doing enough to weaken Arabs and still doesn't, hence all the problems with them, there is no contradiction there at all.
The chaos is a number of "Arab stronk" factions fighting among each other and against West's allies with massive amounts of multi-layered scheming involved in those fights.
Give me a reason why westerners should want a strong Arab superstate?
Historically and from observation of political sentiments in those circles, it's extremely unlikely anything good for us would come out of that.
Then the Arabs can blame you for what you and the west in general does.
So i have to want them to be stronger, despite knowing that they would use said strength against me or my allies, or else they will be justified to blame me for not being strong?
Nice of you to openly state that i should be a leftist cuck who is disgusted with the idea of putting the interests of own country and its allies over those of rivals and enemies.
Well an Arab super state is not necessarily a caliphate. No more than the U.S. is a Christian theocracy in the past.
True. It could also be a socialist shithole Syria style for example. There are several realistic options, but none of them good.
 
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Cherico

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And that one powerful nation certainly would have been a nice and democratic ally to NATO...
Oh, wait, let's be realistic.

Why would NATO support making the Arab world stronger, redder and more hostile to itself, all at the same time? It wasn't current year back then and leftists weren't in charge of the West.

Also any honest look at history at what arabs did to everyone else when their united is a good reason to not want them to be unified.
 

King Arts

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Have you missed the part about socialism?
Add their well feelings towards Israel and Jews, and Soviet support, and not only there are reasons to call them scum, but there's a choice of reasons.

Speaking of empires doing whatever the fuck they want, most of the Arab states in question got their independence from British and the French with little to no fight for it, out of western idealist political motivations and trying to virtue signal against Soviet's landgrabbing ways, which is the reverse of what Russia and China are currently wanting to do, so yes, a bit of a different attitude would be expected there.
You literally put socialists and pan Arabists in different groups.
Hating real socialists is ok. As long as you aren’t cheapening the word so that taking resources away from former foreign colonists counts as socialism. Because then you can say that what the west does to Iran or Russian assets in the modern day is socialism.

The Arabs of today (and especially back then) were also quite clear with their feelings regarding Israel and the West. They aren't exactly fans of western countries, why should we not return the sentiment?
Dislike of Israel yes because of conflict with borders. But again that’s not the wests problem no matter how much neocons free about it.


Yes, the West was not doing enough to weaken Arabs and still doesn't, hence all the problems with them, there is no contradiction there at all.
The chaos is a number of "Arab stronk" factions fighting among each other and against West's allies with massive amounts of multi-layered scheming involved in those fights.
Give me a reason why westerners should want a strong Arab superstate?
Historically and from observation of political sentiments in those circles, it's extremely unlikely anything good for us would come out of that.
You might not want one big Arab superstate but westerners should want strong Arab states because strong stable prosperous states aren’t breeding grounds for terrorism and extremism. If a region is a collapsing mess it will be a breeding ground for chaos and no one in the west wants to be an empire that moves in. So yes not undermining Arab nations is good.

So i have to want them to be stronger, despite knowing that they would use said strength against me or my allies, or else they will be justified to blame me for not being strong?
Nice of you to openly state that i should be a leftist cuck who is disgusted with the idea of putting the interests of own country and its allies over those of rivals and enemies.
Why do you think they would use it against you? Egypt and Syria don’t have any conflicts with Poland. Any conflict would come from your side who is simping for US neocons colonialism a shittier version of colonialism.

True. It could also be a socialist shithole Syria style for example. There are several realistic options, but none of them good.
Why can’t it be like France or the UK?
 

ATP

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"let live" just like the other of top 10 countries that treat Christians the worst. Of course all countries that treat Christians badly let them live, because otherwise there would be no one to treat badly.

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Who made you the forum judge? Oh, wait, you're not an admin, you are not the forum owner, of the two of us i'm a moderator. I know who gets to tell me how to interpret the rules and it's most definitely not you.

As above.

Moderate your antisemitic bait.

Between you and journos interpreting what he said the way it suits them, whatever. So you are for hate speech laws?

As above, fuck off.

OMG, some extremist Jews spit, not knives, not bullets, not bombs, spit. Such horrrible oppression.
You are the mirror image of NGO people who say Poland is a nazi country because some retarded skinhead sprayed a swastika somewhere and spat at a Jew on the street.

You know how much agreements with Arab terrorists are worth.

Dear deep state, do not listen to this clown, can we stop with the bullshit?
1.It mean,that they could pray and made bussiness without people spitting on them,like in Izrael.They are second class citizen - but it is still better then what USA delivered in Iraq.

2.Indeed.Reagan broke soviets through action,not propaganda.Becouse propaganda NEVER worked against totalitarian regime.

3.you still failed as mod here

4.As above.

5.It is reality,not bait.Jews ruled Poland with soviets till 1956,and even after 1968 still keep many privilages.

6.No,hate speech is bullshit.Natanjahu speak about genocide,that is all.He have right to speak about genociding palestinians,and i have right to condemn him for that.

By the way,dude is idiot - putin and xi speak about justice and liberty,when they actually genocide groups considered as enemy.
That is how country should made genocide.

7.Moderate yourself.

8.When some dude broke glass before synagogue,entire polish police get orgasm and hunted him.
When in Jerusalem jews spit on Christians,attack their property, and rarely anything is done about that.

in Iran muslims do not spit on normal christians there,or attack their bussiness.
They kicked out protestants - becouse they converted muslims.Which mean death penalty in ALL muslim countries.

9.The same like with jewish terrorists? becouse Izrael was created by terrorists.Fatah simply follow their footstep.

Dear deep state - you need USA to survive,so do not destroy it.
And do not attack Iran,becouse americans do not care about murdered christians ,but would kill you for starting another war in which american soldiers would die.

Let them fight among themselves.
 

Marduk

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You literally put socialists and pan Arabists in different groups.
Pan Arabists are also a type of socialists usually.
Hating real socialists is ok. As long as you aren’t cheapening the word so that taking resources away from former foreign colonists counts as socialism. Because then you can say that what the west does to Iran or Russian assets in the modern day is socialism.
Sorry, the anti-colonialist thing is a leftist obsession and i refuse to support it as such.
Taking away property from other countries is cold war/hard sanction grade move, it's something Iran and Russia do to western countries and vice versa - if they do that, they are enemies, no ifs and buts, and should be treated as such. If they got independence without a fight and do it then, then they are enemies and ingrates.
Dislike of Israel yes because of conflict with borders. But again that’s not the wests problem no matter how much neocons free about it.
Yes, with Israel having any borders, they were quite clear about that then.
You might not want one big Arab superstate but westerners should want strong Arab states because strong stable prosperous states aren’t breeding grounds for terrorism and extremism.
Stop stealing left-liberal handbook on foreign policy from decades ago, it failed, if you are going to steal one, at least find a better one to steal.
Russia was a pretty strong, stable and prosperous state, in part thanks to western trade outreach specifically meant for the above logic, and look how that ended up.
Iran was pretty strong and prosperous too, and then the Islamic Revolution happened and now it's a major player in the terrorism game.
Libya was a ridiculously prosperous, and stable for a long time, country, and all that meant it sponsored terrorism generously, still leftists simped for its leader anyway.
By the logic of that handbook the last 30 years of foreign policy of Russia, Iran and China would be expected to be the exact reverse of what they are.

We have to live with the reality that "extremism" in no way has to be "caused by poverty" or "western meddling" or "instability", some peoples just want to play empire or settle old scores, and the only question is whether they will do it with rusty rifles and fertilizer bombs or, if they can afford that, commandos and ballistic missiles.
If a region is a collapsing mess it will be a breeding ground for chaos and no one in the west wants to be an empire that moves in. So yes not undermining Arab nations is good.
Why aren't Iran, North Korea and China collapsing messes then?
Why do you think they would use it against you? Egypt and Syria don’t have any conflicts with Poland. Any conflict would come from your side who is simping for US neocons colonialism a shittier version of colonialism.
USA is Poland's useful ally, Egypt and Syria, they will do nothing for us, they will sooner simp for Russia.
Why can’t it be like France or the UK?
Because it's inhabited by Arabs, not Europeans, with Arab culture, customs and all the consequences of such.
1.It mean,that they could pray and made bussiness without people spitting on them,like in Izrael.They are second class citizen - but it is still better then what USA delivered in Iraq.
Bullets and bombs are far worse than spitting i think.
2.Indeed.Reagan broke soviets through action,not propaganda.Becouse propaganda NEVER worked against totalitarian regime.
Totalitarian regimes disagree, Soviets, China and North Koreans would not be doing so much to stop foreign media if it didn't work anyway.
3.you still failed as mod here
And you failed as an intelligent being here.
4.As above.
As above.
5.It is reality,not bait.Jews ruled Poland with soviets till 1956,and even after 1968 still keep many privilages.
Like what?
6.No,hate speech is bullshit.Natanjahu speak about genocide,that is all.He have right to speak about genociding palestinians,and i have right to condemn him for that.
And i have a right to condemn you for being an antisemitic idiot.
By the way,dude is idiot - putin and xi speak about justice and liberty,when they actually genocide groups considered as enemy.
That is how country should made genocide.
Dude is edgy and is not doing genocide. If Israel was going to be genociding Arabs over all the decades the get accused of it, you would expect there to be less of them, not more.
7.Moderate yourself.
Go fuck yourself yet again.
8.When some dude broke glass before synagogue,entire polish police get orgasm and hunted him.
When in Jerusalem jews spit on Christians,attack their property, and rarely anything is done about that.
And that's also how we should act, but we have the western plague of political correctness slipping in.
in Iran muslims do not spit on normal christians there,or attack their bussiness.
They kicked out protestants - becouse they converted muslims.Which mean death penalty in ALL muslim countries.
Learn to fucking read and read this to stop your bloody idealization of the Islamic Revolution and ignoring everything it does that doesn't fit your excuses...

9.The same like with jewish terrorists? becouse Izrael was created by terrorists.Fatah simply follow their footstep.
Implying they would need to follow anyone.
Dear deep state - you need USA to survive,so do not destroy it.
And do not attack Iran,becouse americans do not care about murdered christians ,but would kill you for starting another war in which american soldiers would die.

Let them fight among themselves.
Dear Deep State, destroy Iran to shut up this clown simping about it.
 
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Poe

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Well an Arab super state is not necessarily a caliphate. No more than the U.S. is a Christian theocracy in the past.
You missed the point. Even if the arab state was a democratic republic it would still be a nation poised to dominate the world island, naturally at odds with US hegemony, and thus would not be something the US is okay with existing.
 

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Chinese Nationals Indicted for Illegal Export of American Components to Iran and Iranian Affiliates.

Justice Department said:
An indictment, filed in the District of Columbia, charges Chinese nationals Baoxia Liu a/k/a Emily Liu, 42, Yiu Wa Yung a/k/a Stephen Yung, 63, Yongxin Li a/k/a Emma Lee, 36, and Yanlai Zhong a/k/a Sydney Chung, 40, with various federal crimes related to a years-long conspiracy to unlawfully export and smuggle U.S.-origin electronic components from the United States to Iran. According to court documents, Baoxia Liu aka Emily Liu; Yiu Wa Yung aka Stephen Yung; Yongxin Li aka Emma Lee; and Yanlai Zhong aka Sydney Chung unlawfully exported and smuggled U.S. export controlled items through China and Hong Kong ultimately for the benefit of entities affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics (MODAFL), which supervises Iran's development and production of missiles, weapons, and military aerial equipment to include Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs).

...

According to the indictment, beginning as early as May 2007 and continuing until at least July 2020, the defendants utilized an array of front companies in the People's Republic of China (PRC) to funnel dual-use U.S.-origin items, including electronics and components that could be utilized in the production of UAVs, ballistic missile systems, and other military end uses, to sanctioned Iranian entities with ties to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics (MODAFL) such as Shiraz Electronics Industries (SEI), Rayan Roshd Afzar, and their affiliates.

 

ATP

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Pan Arabists are also a type of socialists usually.

Sorry, the anti-colonialist thing is a leftist obsession and i refuse to support it as such.
Taking away property from other countries is cold war/hard sanction grade move, it's something Iran and Russia do to western countries and vice versa - if they do that, they are enemies, no ifs and buts, and should be treated as such. If they got independence without a fight and do it then, then they are enemies and ingrates.

Yes, with Israel having any borders, they were quite clear about that then.

Stop stealing left-liberal handbook on foreign policy from decades ago, it failed, if you are going to steal one, at least find a better one to steal.
Russia was a pretty strong, stable and prosperous state, in part thanks to western trade outreach specifically meant for the above logic, and look how that ended up.
Iran was pretty strong and prosperous too, and then the Islamic Revolution happened and now it's a major player in the terrorism game.
Libya was a ridiculously prosperous, and stable for a long time, country, and all that meant it sponsored terrorism generously, still leftists simped for its leader anyway.
By the logic of that handbook the last 30 years of foreign policy of Russia, Iran and China would be expected to be the exact reverse of what they are.

We have to live with the reality that "extremism" in no way has to be "caused by poverty" or "western meddling" or "instability", some peoples just want to play empire or settle old scores, and the only question is whether they will do it with rusty rifles and fertilizer bombs or, if they can afford that, commandos and ballistic missiles.

Why aren't Iran, North Korea and China collapsing messes then?

USA is Poland's useful ally, Egypt and Syria, they will do nothing for us, they will sooner simp for Russia.

Because it's inhabited by Arabs, not Europeans, with Arab culture, customs and all the consequences of such.

Bullets and bombs are far worse than spitting i think.
Iran do not bomb normal christian living there.Do not spit on them,too.
Totalitarian regimes disagree, Soviets, China and North Koreans would not be doing so much to stop foreign media if it didn't work anyway.
China and North Korea is still here,and soviets fell becouse Reagan made oil cheap,and start rearming USA.If he only supported voice of America,then Putin would be still kgb colonel
And you failed as an intelligent being here.
say dude whom only argument is fuck
As above.
as above
Like what?
they could go to normal countries with most of their possesion.Normal poles must remain here,or go with their clothes only.
Jews could take furniture,painting ,art and even silver.
One polish count even cosplayed as jew to leave Poland then.Count Plater,i think.
And i have a right to condemn you for being an antisemitic idiot.
Becouse i remember,that Natanjahu is supporting genocide? poor man,you mistaken antisemitism with facing reality.

Dude is edgy and is not doing genocide. If Israel was going to be genociding Arabs over all the decades the get accused of it, you would expect there to be less of them, not more.
yes,that is their problem - they shout how they would genocide arabs,when History teach that you simply should do that without bragging about it.Like turks with armenians,for example.Nobody remember their crimes now.
Go fuck yourself yet again.
failed again as moderator.
And that's also how we should act, but we have the western plague of political correctness slipping in.
So,we should act when one idiot attack jews,and do notching when jews attack christians ?
Learn to fucking read and read this to stop your bloody idealization of the Islamic Revolution and ignoring everything it does that doesn't fit your excuses...

Did you read it? they keep in prison protestants who converted from islam.In muslim countries such people usually are killed.
Normal christians who live there from Apostles times could still live there,as long as they do not try to convert anybody.
Muslims do not attack them on streets or homes,like jews in Jeruzalem.
Implying they would need to follow anyone.
Of course.terrorists from Fatah simply recognized fact that terrorists from Mossad manage to create state using terror,and copied their tactic.
Dear Deep State, destroy Iran to shut up this clown simping about it.
Deep state,you are unable to destroy Iran,only replace one muslims with othere there.Probably worst,like in Iraq.And,since you would kill at lest 10.000 american soldiers doing so, americans this time could kill you all.
Not becouse they care about Iran,but becouse they care about american soldiers,and money wasted in Iran.

But,you could stop supporting Izrael.Unlike Japan,South Korea or Poland,they gave notching for supporting them.


@King Arts ,he is wrong again.USA just gave us to germans,which mean-Moscov.Just like in 1945.

Now,back to his arguments-
You are right about colonialism,when ex-colonies take foreign property it was owned by Big Corpo,not americans.And everything which destroy Big Corpo help average american Joe.

i would answer his so-called arguments after week or two.Maybe more.
 

Marduk

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Iran do not bomb normal christian living there.Do not spit on them,too.
If Iran is going to judge who is normal Christian and who isn't and will bomb the latter i will spit on them. If you want to play Islamist's stupid games and be their good infidel who pays jizya go do it away from us.
China and North Korea is still here,and soviets fell becouse Reagan made oil cheap,and start rearming USA.If he only supported voice of America,then Putin would be still kgb colonel
So what? Just because propaganda alone won't knock down commie governments, doesn't mean it doesn't work. If rearming alone worked, China would have fallen alongside USSR.
say dude whom only argument is fuck
Says the guy who spams dumb conspiracy theories all over the forum and if anyone questions them just spams them more.
As above.
they could go to normal countries with most of their possesion.Normal poles must remain here,or go with their clothes only.
Jews could take furniture,painting ,art and even silver.
One polish count even cosplayed as jew to leave Poland then.Count Plater,i think.
Yeah, so they... encouraged the supposed rulers to leave by foregoing the opportunity to rob them, and you know how much commies love to rob people.
Why would the ruling class be encouraged to leave, and who would encourage them if they are rulers?
Becouse i remember,that Natanjahu is supporting genocide? poor man,you mistaken antisemitism with facing reality.
Its not mandatory to take politicians making hot takes before election on face value.
yes,that is their problem - they shout how they would genocide arabs,when History teach that you simply should do that without bragging about it.Like turks with armenians,for example.Nobody remember their crimes now.
Arabs shout even more and no one cares, several people right here even on this obscure forum make a huge stink out of it still whenever Turkey gets brought up.
failed again as moderator.
And you have failed at using a brain.
So,we should act when one idiot attack jews,and do notching when jews attack christians ?
We should act like a reasonable country would. Just treat it as an ordinary crime of a given severity. Someone spat on someone? Sure, it's a minor assault at most, give someone a fine or something, there shouldn't be a nationwide media scandal about it with prime minister apologizing or something, its just low class misbehavior.
Did you read it? they keep in prison protestants who converted from islam.In muslim countries such people usually are killed.
Still you drink their stupid propaganda even though you live in a free country with internet access.
A month ago, the Iranian parliament voted in favour of a draft bill, entitled "Islamic Penal Code", which would codify the death penalty for any male Iranian who leaves his Islamic faith. Women would get life imprisonment. The majority in favour of the new law was overwhelming: 196 votes for, with just seven against.
Normal christians who live there from Apostles times could still live there,as long as they do not try to convert anybody.
Muslims do not attack them on streets or homes,like jews in Jeruzalem.
Of course your favorite media won't say it to you when it happens so you don't care.
In Iran it's government agents who attack them on the street, not random radicals.
Of course.terrorists from Fatah simply recognized fact that terrorists from Mossad manage to create state using terror,and copied their tactic.
I won't start to believe Arab propaganda if you repeat it enough times.

Deep state,you are unable to destroy Iran,only replace one muslims with othere there.Probably worst,like in Iraq.And,since you would kill at lest 10.000 american soldiers doing so, americans this time could kill you all.
Not becouse they care about Iran,but becouse they care about american soldiers,and money wasted in Iran.
Clown harder.
But,you could stop supporting Izrael.Unlike Japan,South Korea or Poland,they gave notching for supporting them.
Tech and stable strategic location.
Now,back to his arguments-
You are right about colonialism,when ex-colonies take foreign property it was owned by Big Corpo,not americans.And everything which destroy Big Corpo help average american Joe.
Great, finally you admit to agreeing with leftist property rules. That also explains nicely your love for PLO, even in Poland communists supported it.

For all your monarchist larping you should know better than simp for commie causes.
 

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