Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread

[DarthOne]

Oh yeah, the ME during s time was doing pretty well.
The Islam crazies took over

And whose fault was that?

 

[Cherico]

And whose fault was that?

A lot of people actually.

But Id blame the people of the middle east the most they are home grown movements for the most part.

 

[Bacle]

And whose fault was that?

The French, Brits, and Soviets, to different degrees, though the Shia/Sunni split/conflict is also a factor.

Breaking up the Ottoman Empire, and then proceeding to find oil right under the feet of some of the most backward fuckers on the planet, gave the Muslim crazies a lot of power the world regrets them getting.

Iran was nice till the Muslim crazies got Soviet backing and started trying to push radical Islam into government in Iran to counter US influence.

 

[Zachowon]

And whose fault was that?

Not the US.
We supported the raining government as did the Brits.
Soviets kinda destroyed the ME first

 

[TheRejectionist]

Oh yeah, the ME during s time was doing pretty well.
The Islam crazies took over

They were allowed to take over. I remember most university students from Iran believe that Khomeini was a US plant that bamboozled D.C.



It if might interest you. Iranian-Armenian interviews the current heir of the Palhavi dynasty.

 

[Zachowon]

The US did not want any Islamic revolutionaries.
We only supplied Iran against Iraq because it was against the Soviets.

 

[TheRejectionist]

A lot of people actually.

But Id blame the people of the middle east the most they are home grown movements for the most part.

NATO also favored Islamists over Nasserists, Baathist , Pan-Arabists or leftists.
The only "sort of leftist" they supported was the Lebanese section of the Syrian Social National Party ....against kinda right wing Syria in 1956.

 

[Zachowon]

What?

 

[Husky_Khan]

What?

Blame Whitey.

They are the only cause and only solution to all of the Worlds problems.

 

[DarthOne]

Blame Whitey.

They are the only cause and only solution to all of the Worlds problems.

Has it occurred to you that sometimes it actually is ‘our’ fault? I mean, granted the Islamists did have support from their countrymen, but we also played a role.

I know that the ruler of Iran (if memory serves) got partially targeted by the US intelligence agencies on behave of the British Standard Oil. Because money and perfidious Albion.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Has it occurred to you that sometimes it actually is ‘our’ fault? I mean, granted the Islamists did have support from their countrymen, but we also played a role.

I know that the ruler of Iran (if memory serves) got partially targeted by the US intelligence agencies on behave of the British Standard Oil. Because money and perfidious Albion.

So the Tudeh Party fomented the Islamic Revolution of 1979 twenty six years later or Islamic Revolution was fomented in solidarity with the martyrdom of the Socialists in mind?

And no it clearly never occurred to me that it's the fault of you White People through all of history.

EDIT:

Actually I'm conceding this argument now. I just realized there's like fifty or a hundred Videos on YouTube talking about how the 1953 Iranian Ouster of Mossadeq is all White Peoples fault.

If I can't be arsed to respond to a YouTube video by Critical Drinker on Star Wars shit, I sure ASF won't bother engaging with some video on a slightly more complicated topic. 😛

 

[Marduk]

NATO also favored Islamists over Nasserists, Baathist , Pan-Arabists or leftists.
The only "sort of leftist" they supported was the Lebanese section of the Syrian Social National Party ....against kinda right wing Syria in 1956.

I see no reason why NATO should ever support Nasserists, Baathists, Pan-Arabists or leftists, they are scum just as much as Islamists, and back then they had Soviet support to help implement their scummy nature.

 

[DarthOne]

So the Tudeh Party fomented the Islamic Revolution of 1979 twenty six years later or Islamic Revolution was fomented in solidarity with the martyrdom of the Socialists in mind?

And no it clearly never occurred to me that it's the fault of you White People through all of history.

Edit:

Actually I'm conceding this argument now. I just realized there's like fifty or a hundred Videos on YouTube talking about how the 1953 Iranian Ouster of Mossadeq is all White Peoples fault.

If I can't be arsed to respond to a YouTube video by Critical Drinker on Star Wars shit, I sure ASF won't bother engaging with some video on a slightly more complicated topic. 😛

And I can’t believe you’re still salty about that.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I think it's also important to note that while a Leftist/Pan-Arab/Baathist government eventually overthrew the previous governments of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Ethiopia in the same era of history as the rise of Mossadeq in Iran, the fact most of those countries ended up in varying levels of corruption, poverty, militarism and/or instability and internecine conflict for a half century or longer totally doesn't mean the same thing would've happened in Iran if Mossadeq was allowed to continue utilizing his emergency powers in perpetuity. Unlike all of those other countries, it would've proved to be the exception which would bring peace and prosperity to the Middle East from 1952 onward.

And I can’t believe you’re still salty about that.

I thought the problem was I wasn't salty about what happened seventy years ago in Iran.

 

[DarthOne]

I think it's also important to note that while a Leftist/Pan-Arab/Baathist government eventually overthrew the previous governments of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia and Ethiopia in the same era of history as the rise of Mossadeq in Iran, the fact most of those countries ended up in varying levels of corruption, poverty, militarism and/or instability and internecine conflict for a half century or longer totally doesn't mean the same thing would've happened in Iran if Mossadeq was allowed to continue utilizing his emergency powers in perpetuity. Unlike all of those other countries, it would've proved to be the exception which would bring peace and prosperity to the Middle East from 1952 onward.



I thought the problem was I wasn't salty about what happened seventy years ago in Iran.

You and I are having two very different conversations my friend.

 

[Terthna]

Not the US.
We supported the raining government as did the Brits.
Soviets kinda destroyed the ME first

For a while; after we helped put people in power that were more... amenable to American interests in the region. Eventually though, our interest drifted elsewhere; and we failed to lift even a finger to help our allies in Iran when the revolution came for them.

 

[Zachowon]

For a while; after we helped put people in power that were more... amenable to American interests in the region. Eventually though, our interest drifted elsewhere; and we failed to lift even a finger to help our allies in Iran when the revolution came for them.

I mean, I don't know why we didn't.
Who was president at the time?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I mean, I don't know why we didn't.
Who was president at the time?

Carter is your answer.

 

[King Arts]

The US did not want any Islamic revolutionaries.
We only supplied Iran against Iraq because it was against the Soviets.

You have it backwards America gave more support to Iraq than Iran. You were on the same side as the Soviets on that one.

Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I see no reason why NATO should ever support Nasserists, Baathists, Pan-Arabists or leftists, they are scum just as much as Islamists, and back then they had Soviet support to help implement their scummy nature.

I understand dislike of leftists, and socialists(communists) and maybe Baathists. I don't know too much about Nasserists, but why is pan Arabist bad? Is it just bad because you want a bunch of small squabling nations that you can divide, instead of dealing with one more powerful nation?

 

[Zachowon]

Carter is your answer.

Ah....
That explains it fully.
The weakest foreign policy president ever

You have it backwards America gave more support to Iraq than Iran. You were on the same side as the Soviets on that one.

Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I understand dislike of leftists, and socialists(communists) and maybe Baathists. I don't know too much about Nasserists, but why is pan Arabist bad? Is it just bad because you want a bunch of small squabling nations that you can divide, instead of dealing with one more powerful nation?

The sale of F14s was before the revolution wasn't it? That is what always gets me confused so makes sense.
It was Iraq we supported.