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[Bacle]

Omg that isn't the sole fucking reason.
And no I am not bored of sitting on a base.
I am bored of our nation not willing to gain experience that it will need come the next major war.

Do you know what happens when yhe US has no experience fighting when the war comes?
You have 1942 US Army in Africa doing a fucking horrible job.
You have an America that loses more lives because it wasn't prepared.


Do I want war so I can do more then sit on a base in the US?
A little.
But I would rather my nation and my brothers in arms to be ready for a war then to go into the next one like we did in 42.

The Army is useful for air defense and not much else these days, and the Patriot crews are getting work.

Your specific occupation may not be getting work, but that doesn't mean the units relevant to most future wars aren't getting experience over in the MidEast deal with the Iranian and Houthi missile threats.

I think you are just mostly butthurt that the Army doesn't have the good PR of the Marines, Navy, or Air Force, and want a war to be relevant in an infantry, instead of air defense, role.

Like, you remind me of IJA generals in that way, and it's NOT A GOOD THING.

"We need a war so we'll be ready for war" is fucking retarded. We're either ready or not, you just want the war.

This doesn't even make logical sense. You're worried that we aren't ready for war, so you..want war? To get us ready for the war, that you think we aren't ready for?

You, basically: "We're not ready for war with China because we don't have enough experience, so we need to go to war with China."

We just spent 20 years at war. We have experience. Now you just want more so you can feel important.

To be fair, the counterinsurgency combat is very different from near/peer warfare, and the most likely war he's looking at is the CCP going after Taiwan, where the air defense troops and missiliers will be the most important fighters.

He wants a small conflict ala the Spanish Civil War to test gear and blood troops in, before the main show with the CCP.

 

[DarthOne]

Like, you remind me of IJA generals in that way, and it's NOT A GOOD THING.

Nicely put and very accurate.

He wants a small conflict ala the Spanish Civil War to test gear and blood troops in, before the main show with the CCP.

And then you’ve got people like me who increasingly doubt such a conflict will happen.

Both sides have political establishments with too much to risk losing and given how much the Chinese have infiltrated the North American continent (the feeding of drugs into the system, the fact that a ton of manufacturing is still in China, blackmail and political skullduggery, poisoning the younger generation with wokists stuff on TikTok, buying up land for spy bases and so on in the US and Canada) makes me inclined to think that the Chinese will cause an internal conflict within the USA to erupt that will cause the US’s attention to be directed inwards- not that they’d need much to accomplish that given how decrepit and corrupt things are.

Or otherwise arrange behind closed doors some sort of arrangement or deal that lets them get what they want which can then be sold to the US public via any number of means.

 

[Bacle]

Nicely put and very accurate.



And then you’ve got people like me who increasingly doubt such a conflict will happen.

Both sides have political establishments with too much to risk losing and given how much the Chinese have infiltrated the North American continent (the feeding of drugs into the system, the fact that a ton of manufacturing is still in China, blackmail and political skullduggery, poisoning the younger generation with wokists stuff on TikTok, buying up land for spy bases and so on in the US and Canada) makes me inclined to think that the Chinese will cause an internal conflict within the USA to erupt that will cause the US’s attention to be directed inwards- not that they’d need much to accomplish that given how decrepit and corrupt things are.

Or otherwise arrange behind closed doors some sort of arrangement or deal that lets them get what they want which can then be sold to the US public via any number of means.

The CCP thing is more they have the same problem Russia had/has, that caused them to under take their invasion when they did; they won't have enough young bodies in the next generation to man a serious invasion force in the midterm future.

The One Child Policy has completely fucked the CCP in the long term, and if the don't go for Taiwan soon, it may be a century or more before they have enough manpower to attempt it again.

It's also why the CCP and Iran have created so many ties between them, because Iran can get the CCP some overland oil assets and some more proxies if the USN blocks the Straight of Malacca to CCP shipping.

 

[DarthOne]

The CCP thing is more they have the same problem Russia had/has, that caused them to under take their invasion when they did; they won't have enough young bodies in the next generation to man a serious invasion force in the midterm future.

The One Child Policy has completely fucked the CCP in the long term, and if the don't go for Taiwan soon, it may be a century or more before they have enough manpower to attempt it again.

It's also why the CCP and Iran have created so many ties between them, because Iran can get the CCP some overland oil assets and some more proxies if the USN blocks the Straight of Malacca to CCP shipping.

Yes and no.

While I understand, unlike some people including the current US President that nukes, jets and tanks are nice but you need infantry boots on the ground to take and hold territory, technology has made that less of a issue then it once was.

And given the rate that things like robotics and drone are growing at, it might be a matter of time before that takes center stage more. Think some sort of a armored mini-tank drone.

As far as I know, we don’t have to worry about automated Droid Armies. Yet. But I don’t think it would be wise to totally rule out the possibility of such a thing changing in the near future. AI technology is growing ever faster after all.

 

[Bacle]

Yes and no.

While I understand, unlike some people including the current US President that nukes, jets and tanks are nice but you need infantry boots on the ground to take and hold territory, technology has made that less of a issue then it once was.

And given the rate that things like robotics and drone are growing at, it might be a matter of time before that takes center stage more. Think some sort of a armored mini-tank drone.

As far as I know, we don’t have to worry about automated Droid Armies. Yet. But I don’t think it would be wise to totally rule out the possibility of such a thing changing in the near future. AI technology is growing ever faster after all.

Hey, if the DoD want to roll out some fucking droideka's to fuck up the CCP's day with, I'm all for it.

Short of a Carrington event collapsing the web and most telecomm networks, along with the main parts of the grid, AI and robotics will become the major wave of future warfare in most foreseeable futures.

It's why Iran is also trying to really enhance it's cyber abilities, and is behind so many scams and hack-attacks.

Infantry won't disappear, but air defense troops are going to be the biggest factor of the US Army in most conflicts of the future, unless Kim does something truly retarded and tries for Seoul.

Korea is the only place that US Army ground forces are in a position to be fighting as more than air defense for the air fields and logistics hubs in a scenario that doesn't automatically pull MAD into play and render infantry fighting rather moot.

 

[Marduk]

1.Bush destroyed Hussain regime - so,is responsible for what come next there.Why are you fanboy of Bush? he did nothing good for USA.

This is leftist "you touch it you are responsible for it also you can't actually control it" pseudomoralizing. You can only be responsible for things under your power, and Europe and Arabs would be mad at USA if it decided to install a military governor and actually make Iraq a colony for example.
I don't care about Bush, but that doesn't change the fact that Saddam was scum and i refuse to be mad at anyone for removing it.

2.Yes,he was scum.USA killed him,and let worst scums genocide christians there.Which made Bush worst scum then Hussain,too.

>let
No, USA has transferred responsibility for ruling Iraq to democratically elected Iraqi government.

3.What Russia? and Moscov abadonned Armenia.Iran is their only ally now - and not invading Ukraine.

They still didn't leave CSTO. It's not our responsibility to protect Armenia from its bad choices and delusions. They would never care about ours, that's for sure.

4.Poor naive child,all muslims are islamists.Some civilised,like iranians,other not,like turks or arabs.
You could choose between dictators or,at best,Kings which keep all under their shoes,persecute christians,but let them live -
Or,islamists who would murder/enslave all christians.

>civilized
>Islamic revolution
Are you high? Embassy crisis anyone?
And they did have a king, until the revolution ironically.

And USA keep destroing dictators,and replacing them with islamists.Either you are lead by idiots,or dudes who want christians there dead.

No, USA is not replacing them with islamists, the locals are.
So, what's USA supposed to do?
Let dictators be assholes internally and to US allies with impunity because they can't be replaced without a mess?
Turn MENA shitholes into colonies?
Kill everyone who could be an Islamist?

4.Izrael would be unimportant if Jesus do not lived there once.If we do not want take Holy Land again,we should not interfere which pagans rule there.

Why the hell not? I care about your made up rules less than about the dust on the soles of my shoes, and the elites care even less if that's possible.
WTF do you think we are, some sort of primitive, more retarded version of Star Trek, with its own Prime Directive IRL?

 

[Zachowon]

Infantry will always be needed.

And the next war woth no solely be air force and navy.

Land battled will be fought.
And when they do, the Army will be there and if we are inexperienced more deaths will be caused then anyone else.

And @Bacle my job gets plenty work.
It is just difficult when so many major world events just keep happening

 

[Bacle]

Infantry will always be needed.

And the next war woth no solely be air force and navy.

Land battled will be fought.
And when they do, the Army will be there and if we are inexperienced more deaths will be caused then anyone else.

And @Bacle my job gets plenty work.
It is just difficult when so many major world events just keep happening

Major world events aren't going to stop.

We have useful infantry in the Marine's, and the Army's logistical focus/ the Corp of Engineers should be the main role of the Army outside air defense.

Also, if you really want a justified ground war for the Army, you might want to look more at the cartels than outside the America's.

We are getting invaded over the Southern Border on the daily, and having our country gutted by illegal immigrant labor and fentynal, and outside Nat Guard and Coast Guard, the DoD does fuck all about it.

Also, you know what the Bonus Army after WW1 was; we need a little more of that too.

 

[DarthOne]

Hey, if the DoD want to roll out some fucking droideka's to fuck up the CCP's day with, I'm all for it.

Short of a Carrington event collapsing the web and most telecomm networks, along with the main parts of the grid, AI and robotics will become the major wave of future warfare in most foreseeable futures.

It's why Iran is also trying to really enhance it's cyber abilities, and is behind so many scams and hack-attacks.

Infantry won't disappear, but air defense troops are going to be the biggest factor of the US Army in most conflicts of the future, unless Kim does something truly retarded and tries for Seoul.

Korea is the only place that US Army ground forces are in a position to be fighting as more than air defense for the air fields and logistics hubs in a scenario that doesn't automatically pull MAD into play and render infantry fighting rather moot.

I’m slightly less concerned about the DoD inventing Destroyer Droids then I am the Chinese copying them and making their own knock offs.

And only slightly because we’ve seen how the US government treats its own citizens. In short, I’m worried about the droids being used on us.

 

[Doomsought]

Regular infantry are what win you a war, every other unit exists for the poximate purpose of movine agound infantry, forward, backwards, out of danger or into the after life, but they are all at loose ends if you don't have infantry.

 

[TheRejectionist]

How do you know? Can i have your crystal ball or whatever you use to know what would happen in alternate realities?
Islamists killed Christians, the fuck does Bush have to do with it. Bush had no responsibility to handhold government of Iraq forever. If was stupid to let Iraq elect a government, but that's not just on Bush, the whole western leadership and many beyond it wouldn't tolerate other options. Who knows, maybe Hussein would have let islamists genocide them too. Hell, maybe he would have genocided them himself. Your fanboyism of Hussein and trust in his wise and fair rule in case he was still alive is endearing, but he won't send you any gifts for it, he's dead.

He was still scum who gassed his own citizens, why do you care for him.

Armenians wanted to be friends with Russia and with Iran who are also friends with each other, let them deal with their threats, we're not Russians, we're not in CSTO, wrong address.
If they are too busy, they can stop invading Ukraine in favor of fulfilling their alliance duties, we would be more than fine with that. We'll start worrying about the security of Armenia when Armenia joins NATO or CSTO starts caring about our security.

So, hostages. Only terrorists hold the blame for killing hostages, not the people who refused to obey terrorists. If the leaders really cared about the Christians they would get rid of the islamists. But no, they hold them on a leash, like a terrorist holds a knife next to a hostage's throat.

Israel is an ally of our main ally.
Armenia is an ally of our main enemy and our main ally's enemies.

Your is even more retarted than ATP. Israel main ally when their compatriots have been pushing for many awful things and now want to ship Gazans into Europe, like they did in Syria. Israel is the kind of friend who will backstab his long-life friends for pennies.

 

[Marduk]

Your is even more retarted than ATP. Israel main ally when their compatriots have been pushing for many awful things and now want to ship Gazans into Europe, like they did in Syria. Israel is the kind of friend who will backstab his long-life friends for pennies.

I'm not obligated to subscribe to your favorite conspiracy theories and political soundbites, you're fucking insane if you think not doing so makes people retarded, you are being truly retarded here, tell this leftist bullshit to people who like it.

Leftist Jews in the West are often not even Israeli's compatriots, those are the same Jews who in fact protest against Israel. Yeah, go repeat leftist whining about Israel, that will surely totally own.... the leftist Jews in USA who are also repeating leftist whining about Israel.
>"like they did in Syria"
You fucking kook, why don't you go on a rant about Jewish space lasers while at it?

 

[DarthOne]

I'm not obligated to subscribe to your favorite conspiracy theories and political soundbites, you're fucking insane if you think not doing so makes people retarded, you are being truly retarded here, tell this leftist bullshit to people who like it.

Leftist Jews in the West are often not even Israeli's compatriots, those are the same Jews who in fact protest against Israel. Yeah, go repeat leftist whining about Israel, that will surely totally own.... the leftist Jews in USA who are also repeating leftist whining about Israel.
>"like they did in Syria"
You fucking kook, why don't you go on a rant about Jewish space lasers while at it?

How is a conspiracy theory that Irael wants to ship the Palestinians to Europe when they’ve actually admitted as much?!

 

[Marduk]

How is a conspiracy theory that Irael wants to ship the Palestinians to Europe when they’ve actually admitted as much?!

>they
Who's they? Prime minister? Some rando politician? Some NGO?
I hate it when people make up ridiculous theories because they can't understand what they are reading properly.
Meanwhile an actual ministry made a plan to send all of Gaza to Sinai, which notably is not in Europe, so which one is it?

 

[Husky_Khan]

>they
Who's they? Prime minister? Some rando politician? Some NGO?
I hate it when people make up ridiculous theories because they can't understand what they are reading properly.
Meanwhile an actual ministry made a plan to send all of Gaza to Sinai, which notably is not in Europe, so which one is it?

Paul Joseph Watson did a video about a memo suggesting that as a possible plan of action!!!!1

It was so important it was posted in this forum like three times!!!

 

[Sailor.X]

Paul Joseph Watson did a video about a memo suggesting that as a possible plan of action!!!!1

It was so important it was posted in this forum like three times!!!

PJW is a kook and people who take him serious are also kooks. History will not look kindly on his ilk.

 

[ATP]

This is leftist "you touch it you are responsible for it also you can't actually control it" pseudomoralizing. You can only be responsible for things under your power, and Europe and Arabs would be mad at USA if it decided to install a military governor and actually make Iraq a colony for example.
I don't care about Bush, but that doesn't change the fact that Saddam was scum and i refuse to be mad at anyone for removing it.

>let
No, USA has transferred responsibility for ruling Iraq to democratically elected Iraqi government.

They still didn't leave CSTO. It's not our responsibility to protect Armenia from its bad choices and delusions. They would never care about ours, that's for sure.

>civilized
>Islamic revolution
Are you high? Embassy crisis anyone?
And they did have a king, until the revolution ironically.

No, USA is not replacing them with islamists, the locals are.
So, what's USA supposed to do?
Let dictators be assholes internally and to US allies with impunity because they can't be replaced without a mess?
Turn MENA shitholes into colonies?
Kill everyone who could be an Islamist?

Why the hell not? I care about your made up rules less than about the dust on the soles of my shoes, and the elites care even less if that's possible.
WTF do you think we are, some sort of primitive, more retarded version of Star Trek, with its own Prime Directive IRL?

1.In case you forget - Hussain was CIA agent,and in 1991 invaded Kuweit with USA ambassador blessing.But,even if USA was not responsible for him,they were responsible for who replaced him.
Christians died or were enslaved thanks to USA actions there.

2.Then,they should support such goverment enough to not fall.And,when it fall,they should help christians there,becouse they were their responsibiity after they removed Hussain.

3.Sigh.I do not ask for sending american help to save oldest christian state on Earth.I ask for not destroing only state which is helping them,and that state is Iran.

4.For muslim,civiized.Compare what current Iran is doing with their christians to Saudis.Or even Izrael.
Remember,that there is not such thing like civilized muslim - but,iranians are less bad.That is all.

And USA continue to support worts monsters there,not those who let christian live as persecuted minority.
Becouse that is all you could get from muslims.


5.Yes,USA should let asshole dictators there live,becouse all what we could get there when people could actually vote would be worst.In case you forget - USA let soviets lived after 1945,when they could burn them to the ground and take entire world.
And Iranians compared to sralin are boy scouts.

6.Yes,you care,becouse you answered me.And,that are not my rules - USA had reasons to support Poland,becouse they do not want Berlin or Moscov conqering Europe and attacking them.
They had reason to help South Korea,Japan and Taiwan to prevent China from becoming only world superpower.

But what would happen,if they stopped supporting Izrael? NOTHING,becouse muslims are nasty people,but unable to create modern superpower.Iran,Turkey or Saudis would not create world Caliphate,becouse they are unable to do so.

They are danger to EU,becouse it is ruled by german suicidal idiots,but even if they conqer Europe,they would not create one Caliphate,but 10 smaller fighting over who is real Caliph.

 

[Marduk]

1.In case you forget - Hussain was CIA agent,and in 1991 invaded Kuweit with USA ambassador blessing.But,even if USA was not responsible for him,they were responsible for who replaced him.
Christians died or were enslaved thanks to USA actions there.

LMAO, more rumored bullshit. If he was an agent, he was an idiot and disobedient one, so he had to be eliminated.
USA has given power over to Iraqi government in 2005, and there were several elections since then, USA cannot be held responsible for how Iraqis vote and that they elected idiots who let ISIL walk over them. It's like blaming USA for everything RFN and Germany do because after 1945 they made them have, it's ridiculous.

2.Then,they should support such goverment enough to not fall.And,when it fall,they should help christians there,becouse they were their responsibiity after they removed Hussain.

But it didn't fall, it was just incompetent.

3.Sigh.I do not ask for sending american help to save oldest christian state on Earth.I ask for not destroing only state which is helping them,and that state is Iran.

Which is run by scum who don't even respect embassies and still didn't even apologize for it. Even Soviets, Russians and Nazis respected embassies.
Being "oldest christian state on Earth" it wouldn't be too much to expect of them to have a better sense of choice for their allies.

4.For muslim,civiized.Compare what current Iran is doing with their christians to Saudis.Or even Izrael.
Remember,that there is not such thing like civilized muslim - but,iranians are less bad.That is all.

And USA continue to support worts monsters there,not those who let christian live as persecuted minority.
Becouse that is all you could get from muslims.

As above. Iranians are one thing, but their current government represents the worst of Muslim world.
For comparison, it seems SA is slightly less bad to Christians than Iran.

5.Yes,USA should let asshole dictators there live,becouse all what we could get there when people could actually vote would be worst.In case you forget - USA let soviets lived after 1945,when they could burn them to the ground and take entire world.
And Iranians compared to sralin are boy scouts.

Would it? Not you are just idealizing the dictators. For all their incompetence, for example, the current government of Iraq is not even invading neighbors or gassing minorities, so that's something.

6.Yes,you care,becouse you answered me.And,that are not my rules - USA had reasons to support Poland,becouse they do not want Berlin or Moscov conqering Europe and attacking them.
They had reason to help South Korea,Japan and Taiwan to prevent China from becoming only world superpower.

Yes, those are your rules, and i answered because i like to call stupid stupid.

But what would happen,if they stopped supporting Izrael? NOTHING,becouse muslims are nasty people,but unable to create modern superpower.Iran,Turkey or Saudis would not create world Caliphate,becouse they are unable to do so.

Let them keep trying while not getting in the way like the isolationist idiots want, see what happens. China doesn't let idiot isolationists talk, hint hint.

They are danger to EU,becouse it is ruled by german suicidal idiots,but even if they conqer Europe,they would not create one Caliphate,but 10 smaller fighting over who is real Caliph.

Again, no one cares what your crystal ball says.

 

[DarthOne]

>they
Who's they? Prime minister? Some rando politician? Some NGO?
I hate it when people make up ridiculous theories because they can't understand what they are reading properly.
Meanwhile an actual ministry made a plan to send all of Gaza to Sinai, which notably is not in Europe, so which one is it?

An Israel government memo that got leaked to the media. A memo that states that if the Arab nations refuse to take in Palestinian ‘refugees’ that media should be used to coerce the West to take them in. Something we are starting to see more and more of.

And that would be the same Sinai that has, like other Arab nations refused to take them in?

 

[Marduk]

An Israel government memo that got leaked to the media. A memo that states that if the Arab nations refuse to take in Palestinian ‘refugees’ that media should be used to coerce the West to take them in. Something we are starting to see more and more of.

And what does the memo say exactly?
"they are thinking about asking the cucked leftists who whine about humanitarian situation in Gaza to take'em, even if they say no it might shut them up" =/- "they want to ship Gazans to Europe".

I hate it when leftists do it, and i also hate it when people who claim to be on the right do it too, and outright despise it if they do it not to leftists but for intra-right fights.

And that would be the same Sinai that has, like other Arab nations refused to take them in?

But they can always ask again...