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The problem is Trump is surrounded by neocons, both in his administration and in Washington.

The people who wanted out of these wars were the folks in West Virginia and Ohio who had their sons serve and come back without legs.

Trump is isolated from the people who took his "end the forever wars" promise seriously.

With only Tucker Carlson to say otherwise in his circle.
 
Lord Invictus said:
The problem is Trump is surrounded by neocons, both in his administration and in Washington.

The people who wanted out of these wars were the folks in West Virginia and Ohio who had their sons serve and come back without legs.

Trump is isolated from the people who took his "end the forever wars" promise seriously.

With only Tucker Carlson to say otherwise in his circle.
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I'm sympathetic to that, but most of the veterans I know remember their friends who were wounded or killed thanks to Soleimani, and are ready to even the score. We should retaliate proportionally, and trust that if it's the will of the Almighty, that will lead to War, and if it isn't, then the Iranians will back down.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
This is unfortunate. I was honestly tired of more wars.

Trump may well lose reelection cause of this. He did promise no more wars and yet here he goes.
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If this turns into a war, he's going to be reelected by a landslide. Never discount the strength of America to rally together in a time of crisis. And since a war with Iran will result in $150.00/barrel oil.... It will be a crisis.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
This is unfortunate. I was honestly tired of more wars.

Trump may well lose reelection cause of this. He did promise no more wars and yet here he goes.
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I'm not sure he particularly had a choice in the matter, he'd let Iran get away with a lot of stuff before finally acting when they attacked an embassy via proxies.
 
The problem with fighting a war for honor or to settle a score is that there is no defined end beyond "they gave us a black eye, let's break their legs"-wars fought for national pride or honor often spiral precisely because their motivations are based on emotion.

Everyone knows a ground invasion isn't in the cards and if it was it would be the next Vietnam times five, but without one the Iranian government isn't going to be overthrown.

So what are we trying to achieve here? Beat em up enough they don't attack embassies? Getting them to cease their support of Shiite paramilitary bodies throughout the region is basically asking them to capitulate. Which isn't going to happen.

What are we trying to achieve? If we don't have a set end goal in mind-two things will happen one the war will escalate into a quagmire, or two we blow stuff up but otherwise the Iranians don't change.
 
I don't get why people act like this is going to be a full-up war.

A war, yes, but it's going to take maybe a couple weeks to bomb their offensive capabilities to bit, and then that'll be that.

This isn't going to have thousands of American soldiers invading and occupying Iran. It isn't him starting a war, it'll be Trump finishing a war, and demonstrating that under his leadership, America will Get Shit Done, then leave well enough alone.

Most likely, anyways.

Lord Invictus said:
The problem with fighting a war for honor or to settle a score is that there is no defined end beyond "they gave us a black eye, let's break their legs"-wars fought for national pride or honor often spiral precisely because their motivations are based on emotion.

Everyone knows a ground invasion isn't in the cards and if it was it would be the next Vietnam times five, but without one the Iranian government isn't going to be overthrown.
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It's not just about 'settling a score,' it's about demonstrating that you have the will to protect yourself. Half the reason that WWII happened, was because the Germans and the Japanese thought the Allies didn't have the will to actually fight. They were completely outmatched economically and in terms of force projection ability, but they didn't think their enemies had the will to fight.

If you let the bully push you around, he'll keep pushing.


As to whether or not Iran's government can be toppled without an invasion?

I think it's possible. I don't know how likely, but it's at least possible. There's been major protests for years over there now.
 
Nah, the American people usually lose heart once the body bags start flying in en masse.

So long as the war doesn't result in large American losses, most Americans will be indifferent to it.

LordsFire said:
I don't get why people act like this is going to be a full-up war.

A war, yes, but it's going to take maybe a couple weeks to bomb their offensive capabilities to bit, and then that'll be that.

This isn't going to have thousands of American soldiers invading and occupying Iran. It isn't him starting a war, it'll be Trump finishing a war, and demonstrating that under his leadership, America will Get Shit Done, then leave well enough alone.

Most likely, anyways.



It's not just about 'settling a score,' it's about demonstrating that you have the will to protect yourself. Half the reason that WWII happened, was because the Germans and the Japanese thought the Allies didn't have the will to actually fight. They were completely outmatched economically and in terms of force projection ability, but they didn't think their enemies had the will to fight.

If you let the bully push you around, he'll keep pushing.


As to whether or not Iran's government can be toppled without an invasion?

I think it's possible. I don't know how likely, but it's at least possible. There's been major protests for years over there now.
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The protests were crushed. With hundreds killed. And I'm not saying don't respond, yes retaliate to show you aren't a pushover.
 
LordsFire said:
If you let the bully push you around, he'll keep pushing.
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Case in point, Hitler in the run-up to WW2, with Austria and Czechoslovakia thrown to the wolf to appease him... That didn’t turn out well.
Anyways, I’ve been feeling for a while that Iran has been looking to escalate thing into a war, it might be that the current regime is reaching it’s end and perhaps they thought that they should try a « victory or death » moment.
Anyways...good luck to you guys, and good luck to me too I guess once Oil price jump.
 
Lord Invictus said:
Its not like those missiles have ever been very accurate.

Looks like Trump isn't going to give an address.

Given that no Americans were killed, things may ramp down.
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Doubtful, no American blood for Soleimani simply won't be acceptable to Iran.

This was probably a limited first move and they will wait a bit to see what Trump does in response. Iran wants a serious escalation on the part of the US before they shed US blood so that they can try and throw the war onto the US (although the threats to the region don't really help them with that).

LifeisTiresome said:
This is unfortunate. I was honestly tired of more wars.

Trump may well lose reelection cause of this. He did promise no more wars and yet here he goes.
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That depends on what Trump does. Wrecking Iran and then pulling out of Iraq, leaving it to Saudi Arabia to keep Iran under control when it has no more airforce, navy, critical IRG facilities, or oil export capacity would probably ensure his reelection.

Any kind of long war (as in more than a week or two at the outside) and any use of US ground forces is going to seriously harm him politically.
 
UltimatePaladin said:
You sure about that?
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Yes. I am a 20 year old single solider in the US Army.
I signed to fight and die for this country in anyway I can.
Of course it will be devastating any losses and the like.
But the war with Iran wont be a ground one if we do have one. It will be a naval and air war. And the US military can destroy the Iranian version quickly and give Iran no choice it will show the world ground fighting isnt needed to the US.

TLDR: I am crazy
 
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