PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
So multi decade commitment to sacrifice blood and resources for interests of neocons. I'm sure Saudi Arabia will send a nice ''thank you for you service'' to every soldier who gets killed or maimed.
Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Just like all those they gave thanks to in Yemen.
Multinational invasion force only for the US to stay the rest
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
And what nations would have joined yet another American foreign adventure?
I think Iseal would join this one.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
It wouldn't, it would be busy in Lebanon, so full weight of supplying occupation troops to be blown up by IEDs and picked off by snipers would be on the USA shoulders. And honestly, why should they spend more effort than lobbying costs, when USA is so willing to do the work for them and Saudi Arabia?
Oh BTW, Iran has double population of Iraq and occupation of Iraq was straining the US army manpower at the peak of it. So where is USA supposed to find troops to do this successfully?
Oh BTW, Iran has double population of Iraq and occupation of Iraq was straining the US army manpower at the peak of it. So where is USA supposed to find troops to do this successfully?
The invasion is the part they are thinking of. Not the occupation
"according to social media activists'' This should be taken with an ocean of salt imo. Im getting flashbacks to saddam's kids eating babies and Gadafhi raping his house keepers. For sake of argument lets say this article is true. Does anyone think that the people of the region will be better off if the globalists get the war with Iran they have been clamoring for? Greater damage will be done to the innocent people of the region if the globalist uniparty get's it's war. The right wing in America needs to fight against any foreign wars tooth and nail.
America's foreign escapades never benefit the American people. If we go to war in Iran no one to the right of fucking Karl Marx will benefit. Right wingers in the military will be the ones to fight and die. White working class and middle class will be the ones on the hook for trillions if not tens of trillions of dollars in taxes. If and i stress the if, things go well and casualties are light. The globalist left and Joe Biden will take credit. If things go wrong and losses mount and the war becomes unpopular. The neocon rinos in Bidens administration and the right in general will be blamed for all of the bad. All of the refugees will go to europe and commit terrorism there and fuck demographics even further.It's a lose/lose/lose situation.
Anyone on this website that cares about America and all of the innocent people in the region who will die by the hundreds of thousands if not more needs to viciously fight against war in Iran or anywhere else for that matter.
Arch Dornan
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It's been that way ever since 9/11. Start some war in the middle east to topple some dictator.
I can believe the idea. Organs are valuable resources and when you're in a country that gives less of a shit about human rights you get more options to make money. Only question to ask whether it is official or a corrupt scheme to make a profit because their pay sucks.
Arch Dornan
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Iran supreme leader: Senior Iranian cleric Mesbah-Yazdi dies
Senior Iranian cleric Ayatollah Mohammad-Taghi Mesbah-Yazdi, a close ally of Iran’s supreme leader, has died at the age of 86, state media reported on
english.alarabiya.net
Some cleric's dead.
An Iranian Activist Wrote Dozens of Articles for Right-Wing Outlets. But Is He a Real Person?
Heshmat Alavi writes about Iran for a conservative, American audience. But an MEK defector says the writer is a fake persona managed by the MEK.
theintercept.com
Interesting persona but why use a real person when you could get assassinated?
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Mine found on hull of oil tanker off the coast of Iraq
Attacks on vessels in the Gulf and the Red Sea have been rife as tensions flare between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
A mine was found attached to the hull of a Liberia-flagged oil tanker that had recently traveled through the Persian Gulf. It was disarmed and removed by experts from the Iraqi Interior Ministry. While the origin of the mine or who placed it is unknown, it is suspected to be Iranian due to the recent spate of attacks on shipping both in the Persian Gulf and in the Red Sea. Most notably was an explosion (or terrorist attack) that damaged a boat in the Saudi port of Jeddah last December, which happened only days after an oil tanker in the same area was also damaged in a suspected attack.
Val the Moofia Boss
Well-known member
I don't want any war. What the Iranian government does to its people is absolutely awful, but an invasion won't make things better. Just ask Vietnam. Or ask the the Philippines, or the plethora of South American and Middle Eastern countries the US tampered with.
I think it's become abundantly clear that every single war the US has gotten involved in since the American Civil War has never been to protect the American people. It's always been to fil the pockets of corporations and lobbyists and the politicians that they bribe.
The wars are always covered in a thin veneer of "self defense", be it either the US baiting for an attack like in Korea or Pearl Harbor and then using that as a Casus Belli, or taking a one off event by an extremist group that is not representative of a whole group of people, like 9/11, and then using that as a Casus Belli.
Every place the US military visits ends up worse than it was before they arrived, and the people of those places grow up and hate us and some of them join violent groups that do stuff like 9/11, which the US just uses as an excuse to launch another war... and then we Americans wonder why everyone else in the world seems to hate us while our media and government tries to tell us "we are making the world a better place!". And yet we never seem to actually make those places better.
The only question is whether or not we go to war this year, or four years from now. Actually, it might be a couple years from now anyway. The Trump presidency has made it evident that the empire is run by people we don't even vote to elect. The CIA, FBI, and Justice department are working against the President and aren't held accountable. The US military engages in war in Syria against the direct orders of the commander and chief. It doesn't matter if Trump is reelected; nothing is going to change. He'll keep trying to herd cats to no avail while the bad guys continue to get away with it all. Trump will be the last Republican President ever and any changes he makes are already being undermined, and will be reversed by the next President. It's futile.
There is a lot of hullabaloo about Iran getting nuclear weapons, but think for a moment. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. They're just going to turn into another North Korea; they wave their little gun around but they have no hope of surviving if they actually use it, so they never will.
I think it's become abundantly clear that every single war the US has gotten involved in since the American Civil War has never been to protect the American people. It's always been to fil the pockets of corporations and lobbyists and the politicians that they bribe.
The wars are always covered in a thin veneer of "self defense", be it either the US baiting for an attack like in Korea or Pearl Harbor and then using that as a Casus Belli, or taking a one off event by an extremist group that is not representative of a whole group of people, like 9/11, and then using that as a Casus Belli.
Every place the US military visits ends up worse than it was before they arrived, and the people of those places grow up and hate us and some of them join violent groups that do stuff like 9/11, which the US just uses as an excuse to launch another war... and then we Americans wonder why everyone else in the world seems to hate us while our media and government tries to tell us "we are making the world a better place!". And yet we never seem to actually make those places better.
The only question is whether or not we go to war this year, or four years from now. Actually, it might be a couple years from now anyway. The Trump presidency has made it evident that the empire is run by people we don't even vote to elect. The CIA, FBI, and Justice department are working against the President and aren't held accountable. The US military engages in war in Syria against the direct orders of the commander and chief. It doesn't matter if Trump is reelected; nothing is going to change. He'll keep trying to herd cats to no avail while the bad guys continue to get away with it all. Trump will be the last Republican President ever and any changes he makes are already being undermined, and will be reversed by the next President. It's futile.
There is a lot of hullabaloo about Iran getting nuclear weapons, but think for a moment. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. They're just going to turn into another North Korea; they wave their little gun around but they have no hope of surviving if they actually use it, so they never will.
World War 2 disagrees. That was protecting the American people in one way or another.
I don't think you understand why Iran getting nukes is worse then nK.
@GoldRanger can verify iirc what he said, but since they have such large terrorist groups, the likely hood they may "lose" a nuke and one of these groups winds up with it is pretty high
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You are, on the whole, over-correcting, and this absolutely proves it. North Korea's ostensible (and probably actual real) objective is to 're-unify' with South Korea, which in their minds would functionally mean subjugating it. Nuking South Korea is counter-productive to that objective, though they might end up doing so anyways.
Iran explicitly wants to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, break the USA as a nation, and crush Saudi Arabia so they can become regional hegemon. They'd probably follow it up by trying to do the same to Turkey.
The Iranians have directly stated what they want to do with nukes, and using them as a deterrent is not the plan. Unlike NK, which exists directly in the shadow of China, and only continued to exist through the 90's due to Chinese backing, Iran has no neighbors which completely outclass it in territory, population, and military. On top of that, their economy is massively more functional, because as messed up as Islam is, it's not as bad as communism.
If you actually know what you're talking about, there's no reason at all to think they're 'just going to turn into another North Korea.'
Yeah, i'm not saying it couldn't happen. Just that it's real convenient, though i have seen this song and dance before with Iraq and Libya. So it's probably better for the people there to not do much about it war wise. Stop it another way or pressure the Iranians sure. But this demonization is possibly just the first step..........
Arch Dornan
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Isn't that what sanctions are for? No way the US should do more boots on the ground not until they start recovering. Leave these overseas wars alone for a while until another generation gets sucked in for another war which is how it works.
Are there any sanctions left though? Do the Iranians even care? Honestly if i was in they're position i would ignore sanctions and run screaming toward an a-bomb. Several countries have tried the diplomacy game with the globalists(Ukraine,Iraq,Syria,Libya) and we can see the state of them now. The only thing the west respects is simple naked power. The Iranians should be doing everything they possibly can to get nukes imo.
Floridaman
Well-known member
Actually yes, the trump sanctions pretty much crashed their economy, they were even having trouble getting food, much less the material to build a nuke. But yeah with fracking we are energy independent, so this isn’t our problem.
Arch Dornan
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Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. You'll have to see what the results are.
Funding terrorists and involving themselves against Isis is costly.
Floridaman
Well-known member
are we referring to Iran or our own government? Because the group that became isis was part of the “moderate” rebels we funded because Assad said no. And once the “Jv” team started making a mess that made the US and Europe look stupid, we funded al nursa an al quaeda affiliate.