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[King Arts]

The state does not, but the nation, as in the people, absolutely do by overwhelming majority, if you don't know this that is your problem, not mine.

So? If the majority of U.S. citizens start to believe trans rights are human rights will you suck that up and say men can be women?
If someone thinks Mormonism is Christianity their opinion is wrong.

 

[Marduk]

So? If the majority of U.S. citizens start to believe trans rights are human rights will you suck that up and say men can be women?

Implying i care who thinks what human rights are, i have my own opinions on the matter.

If someone thinks Mormonism is Christianity their opinion is wrong.

Protestants are something like a third of Christians, and Catholics who are about half, if they care anything about what their church teaches on the matter recognize them as Christians, so that alone is a huge majority, while Mormons are a small fringe. If they, or whatever small church you belong to try to act as the ultimate arbiters of real Christianity, no one is going to take you seriously. It's not 1600's, get real.

 

[King Arts]

Implying i care who thinks what human rights are, i have my own opinions on the matter.

Why should I care about the oppinions of a non Ameican? Also you were the one saying we should about what they are saying. So who should we care about?

Protestants are something like a third of Christians, and Catholics who are about half, if they care anything about what their church teaches on the matter recognize them as Christians, so that alone is a huge majority, while Mormons are a small fringe. If they, or whatever small church you belong to try to act as the ultimate arbiters of real Christianity, no one is going to take you seriously. It's not 1600's, get real.

I'm part of the second largest Christian church in the world, not some small independent Baptist church.

 

[Marduk]

Why should I care about the oppinions of a non Ameican? Also you were the one saying we should about what they are saying. So who should we care about?

This non American is just reminding you that your idea of who's Christian is completely out of whack with what most Americans think and you have no way to disagree with that.

I'm part of the second largest Christian church in the world, not some small independent Baptist church.

Wow didn't know you're Anglican.

 

[King Arts]

This non American is just reminding you that your idea of who's Christian is completely out of whack with what most Americans think and you have no way to disagree with that.

What are you talking about many American Christians state their opinions on who is and is not a Christian.

Wow didn't know you're Anglican.

LOL plz don't insult me they are even worse than Catholics.

Also I double checked the Anglicans have 85 million people and the Eastern Orthodox Church has 230 million people. Less than the Catholics but the Catholics have jumped into heresy with their support of LGBT.




ATP was saying that protestants don't have a Church. Some Protestants can be Christian but there are no real Protestant Church's.

 

[Marduk]

What are you talking about many American Christians state their opinions on who is and is not a Christian.

Yes, and my point was that those opinions are disagreeing with yours obviously.

LOL plz don't insult me they are even worse than Catholics.

Also I double checked the Anglicans have 85 million people and the Eastern Orthodox Church has 230 million people. Less than the Catholics but the Catholics have jumped into heresy with their support of LGBT.

Organizationally there are many East Orthodox Churches and some don't like each other very much even.

ATP was saying that protestants don't have a Church. Some Protestants can be Christian but there are no real Protestant Church's.

Then ATP was not in line with the teachings of his church on it (nor common sense definition of Christianity), and yours is irrelevant in this.

 

[Zachowon]

One does not need a church to be Christian.
The Bible is all one needs.
A church helps in many ways, but one should not need someone to speak the Bible to them

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The only reason the US hasn't toppled the Ayatollahs yet is because that idiot sank all public faith in our armed forces.

We are still living with the consequences of letting that moron come to power.

 

[DarthOne]

One does not need a church to be Christian.
The Bible is all one needs.
A church helps in many ways, but one should not need someone to speak the Bible to them

That’s wrong as far as I know, and it’s why Christianity is in the state it’s in. Without Apostolic tradition, you get all the nonsense we see now.

 

[Zachowon]

That’s wrong as far as I know, and it’s why Christianity is in the state it’s in. Without Apostolic tradition, you get all the nonsense we see now.

Except, that is truly against what Christianity stands for..to quote someone who gave me some good advice earlier.

For the term "Christian" to have any real meaning, there needs to be boundaries to it. It also isn't an organic term like "nerd" or "geek", there has, since the term was coined in the 1st century, a formal or semi-forma' organization that is involved with it. The Bible itself has instructions on organizing Churches and gives advise on leadership and the requirements for it. As such, there's ALWAYS been some sort of organization involved in defining who is and is not a Christian. Now, that said, the absolute head of the Church isn't the Pope, or the Bishops, it's God... In the end God decides who is truly Christian or not, but there's some clear guidelines in the Bible as well as rules for membership in Churches as well as discipline. The most simple and baseline requirement for being defined as a Christian likely is Romans 10:9 - "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." But declaring that carries a weight of expectations that involves a lot more... That can be looked at. And while yes, SALVATION is arguably personal, "being a Christian" involves more than simply that. Declaring that "Jesus is Lord", for instance requires you to understand who exactly Jesus is. And if you bear a false understanding who who Jesus is... Then who are you declaring Lord? It's not Jesus but something or someone else.

 

[King Arts]

Except, that is truly against what Christianity stands for..to quote someone who gave me some good advice earlier.

Again you need more than the Bible because if the Bible alone is used then someone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is fully God like Arians can claim to be ch Christian. They have the Bible and claim Jesus is lord. The way we get actual understanding of true Christianity is from the first council of nicea but the first the only way that council is valid is if the church exists and has power.

 

[Poe]

Again you need more than the Bible because if the Bible alone is used then someone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is fully God like Arians can claim to be ch Christian.

They are Christians, they are followers of Christ. They are "heretics" to Pauline christianity, but that's why we distinguish Pauline Christianity from "Christian" as a whole. Pentacostals believe only in Jesus, a "oneness" and not a trinity, and this is also a heresy in Pauline christianity. But no one would argue they aren't Christians.

Christian = follower of Jesus Christ. Even Gnostics are a form of Christianity.

 

[Zachowon]

Again you need more than the Bible because if the Bible alone is used then someone who doesn’t believe that Jesus is fully God like Arians can claim to be ch Christian. They have the Bible and claim Jesus is lord. The way we get actual understanding of true Christianity is from the first council of nicea but the first the only way that council is valid is if the church exists and has power.

The only power over a Christian is God. A church allows one to grow that connection with God and the worship of him.

 

[Marduk]

Houthis unsuccessfully attacked a US owned and flagged civilian ship.

 

[King Arts]

They are Christians, they are followers of Christ. They are "heretics" to Pauline christianity, but that's why we distinguish Pauline Christianity from "Christian" as a whole. Pentacostals believe only in Jesus, a "oneness" and not a trinity, and this is also a heresy in Pauline christianity. But no one would argue they aren't Christians.

Christian = follower of Jesus Christ. Even Gnostics are a form of Christianity.

What are you talking about? No jehovas witnesses are not considered Christian by Orthodox by Catholics, by Lutheran, by reformed; by baptists.

People don’t differentiate between Pauline Christianity and non Paul. The non Paul non trinitarians are not Christian.

You can’t just use the definition of “a follower of Christ” because that leads to crazy stuff like Mormons. If we call Mormons Christians why not Muslims?

Hey I guess Iran is a Christian theocracy now since Muslims follow Jesus.

The only power over a Christian is God. A church allows one to grow that connection with God and the worship of him.

Actually no God put authorities over man one of those is the church. Another one is the government a Christian in America must obey the US government as long as the government is not ordering you to do a sin.

 

[King Arts]

Organizationally there are many East Orthodox Churches and some don't like each other very much even.

They believe the same thing they are the same Church. Political differances don't make it a differant Church. Otherwise we can say that Protestants are even smaller and every independent Church is it's own denomination.

Then ATP was not in line with the teachings of his church on it (nor common sense definition of Christianity), and yours is irrelevant in this.

Yes @ATP is not in line with the modern day Catholic Church but he might be in line with a historic version of Catholics.

 

[Marduk]

They believe the same thing they are the same Church. Political differances don't make it a differant Church. Otherwise we can say that Protestants are even smaller and every independent Church is it's own denomination.

No one is denying that Protestant churches are divided into few large and many small ones.

Yes @ATP is not in line with the modern day Catholic Church but he might be in line with a historic version of Catholics.

AKA one that existed but no longer does, and time travel is not an option.

 

[King Arts]

No one is denying that Protestant churches are divided into few large and many small ones.

So why are you treating them as one and trying to separate the Orthodox?

AKA one that existed but no longer does, and time travel is not an option.

True and that’s why I think Catholic theology and arguments are false.

 

[Marduk]

So why are you treating them as one and trying to separate the Orthodox?

Because they have some shared characteristics not shared by the Orthodox, which has its own.

 

[King Arts]

Because they have some shared characteristics not shared by the Orthodox, which has its own.

So if Protestants have shared characteristics and you group them together.

Why are you not grouping orthodox together when they have even more shared characteristics?