Election 2020 Richard Spencer Endorses Joe Biden and the Democratic Party

[Arlos]

Have you noticed most if not all Alt Right racists men have the same haircut. Is it standard issue or something they just like having?

I thought the standard cut was a shaved head? Did I miss a chapter somewhere?

 

[Rocinante]

I thought the standard cut was a shaved head? Did I miss a chapter somewhere?

High and tight fade with comb over has for some reason become popular with white supremacists.

Which is also how I do my hair. I've actually been accused in real life if having a "Nazi haircut."

Doing some googling, it seems lots of Nazis did have comb over cuts. But lots of people in general did back then. Maybe that's where it's coming from though

Whatever the reason, it's really a thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/11/30/does-this-haircut-make-me-look-like-a-nazi/

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Not only balked Mussolini tool the Austrian to get bent. Only after italy was basically done did he hand them over. Even then it could easily he argued that he had no choice. The Nazis were all that was keeping them afloat towards the end.

That was deeply unpopular with his people (Fascists included) as well. Come to think of it, the Falange (Spanish Fascists), no matter how brutal they could be, were downright reasonable compared to Hitler. They had an anti-semitic streak, even indulged in the "World Jewry" conspiracy, but they actually had the grey cells to distinguish Mr Shirit who runs a grocery shop at the bottom of the street from the conspiracy.

All in all, it's really weird that Fascism had allowed itself to become tied to Nazism when they aren't quite the same thing. Which means it should be relatively straightforward for Classical Fascists to cast off from that toxic legacy, so it beggars belief why they haven't done it.

 

[Arlos]

High and tight fade with comb over has for some reason become popular with white supremacists.

Which is also how I do my hair. I've actually been accused in real life if having a "Nazi haircut."

Doing some googling, it seems lots of Nazis did have comb over cuts. But lots of people in general did back then. Maybe that's where it's coming from though

Whatever the reason, it's really a thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/11/30/does-this-haircut-make-me-look-like-a-nazi/

*scratch head*
Show me what I know I guess. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Bacle]

*scratch head*
Show me what I know I guess. 🤷‍♂️

You were thinking of the Aryan Brotherhood types, I expect.

It's easier to think of it as the difference between gangland Neo-Nazi's and suburban Neo-Nazi's.

 

[Rocinante]

*scratch head*
Show me what I know I guess. 🤷‍♂️

Racists are a diverse group too. They come in all sorts of shapes, skin colors and haircuts.

You're thinking of "skinheads."

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Is it me, or could that be used to summarise the White Nationalists in general? Having seen what went down in 2016, it seemed like there was a growing grassroots conservative movement that diverged from the GOP establishment (hence alt-right) only for the real far right to be astroturfed into dominating it by the media. Spencer and his ilk are useful idiots in my view, who do nothing but sabotage Nationalist Movements.

We've actually got a chap like that in Britain (who scarily enough seems to believe his convictions) called Mark Collett. I believe he's actually, on live stream, recommended Mein Kampf as a deeply important book. And this man seeks to lead the British populist right? He'd sink us quicker than HMS Hood.

Lack of discipline really. And perhaps this is where individualism is somewhat of a weakness.

People on the right pride themselves on not being NPCs, in formulating original thoughts and not blindly doing things because their friends and associates are. On not submitting to an authority just because they have a fancy PhD or run an erudite blog or because they won an election.

This means organizing is very difficult as naysayers, ornery trouble makers, and people who march the opposite direction just to fuck collectivism can and are a problem.

The Right in general has a problem with organising, so it's only fair the "Far Right" be terrible at it. Ethno-nats relentlessly brigaded "le skeptic YouTubers" because they saw the problems of the movement and didn't want a part of it. Now, four years later, a lot of those criticisms are coming to fruition. Not only that, they seem hell bent on driving away those of the "wrong skin colour" who actually feel far more strongly for the country than many White liberals do.

The far right now is just ranting now about how trump went to the wailing wall and hasn’t gone full turner diaries on Israel yet.
As if even a crypto fascist president would be able to do that.
It’s bizarre. Trump has built sections of the wall, tried to crack down on unrest while also fighting the media, the alphabet agencies, his own party, the other party, street riots, and is surrounded by wolves at every turn. Tried to bring back jobs to the Midwest with some success. It’s just a really unreasonable.
I mean even the far left doesn’t have unrealistic expectations that Bernie was going to cut the military budget 90% or whatever.
Perusing far right twitter-it’s so undisciplined and is filled to the brim with infighting and backbiting.
It’s convinced me the only real reason they’ll never be a successful Neo Nazi/WN movement is because none of them would submit to a single Fuhrer.
I mean if you really believe truly believe-in a sinister Jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race, and the urgency of fighting the extinction of your people-you ought to find a leader and suck it up and do what he says. Rather than lambast each other for minor squabbles.
4 Chan culture does not make for a successful nationalist movement.

Nazis are left wing. Confederates are left wing.


What is called the "far right" in modern parlance, is and always has been left wing.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

Usually, when somebody gets called a "white supremacist" it's nonsense, but Richard Spencer is one of those rare people who actually is a true white supremacist in that he wants whites to rule over nonwhites in some sort of pseudo-imperialistic fashion. This, to my mind, means he is not a true nationalist.

Richard Spencer really isn't that important and the fact that people actually care (in a reverse way) who he endorses for president gives him undue influence in politics and too much space in our heads. In fact, Spencer likely understands this which is why he endorsed Biden - he wanted to make some headlines again.

That is the impression I have received from Spencer again and again: he is an attention whore. He pulls dumbass stunts like throwing up the "Roman salute" and shouting "Hail Trump! Hail Victory!" to get himself in the limelight. It would not surprise me if his plank, such as it is, were formulated with the intention of attracting the ire of as many different parties as possible.

 

[ShieldWife]

That is the impression I have received from Spencer again and again: he is an attention whore. He pulls dumbass stunts like throwing up the "Roman salute" and shouting "Hail Trump! Hail Victory!" to get himself in the limelight. It would not surprise me if his plank, such as it is, were formulated with the intention of attracting the ire of as many different parties as possible.

Yes, if not originally then now certainly. In fact, Richard Spencer knows that his endorsement isn't going to cause a significant number of people to change their votes. He does know, though, that people will react to it in silly ways and that his name will be in headlines again.

 

[Lanmandragon]

That was deeply unpopular with his people (Fascists included) as well. Come to think of it, the Falange (Spanish Fascists), no matter how brutal they could be, were downright reasonable compared to Hitler. They had an anti-semitic streak, even indulged in the "World Jewry" conspiracy, but they actually had the grey cells to distinguish Mr Shirit who runs a grocery shop at the bottom of the street from the conspiracy.

All in all, it's really weird that Fascism had allowed itself to become tied to Nazism when they aren't quite the same thing. Which means it should be relatively straightforward for Classical Fascists to cast off from that toxic legacy, so it beggars belief why they haven't done it.

Sargon has a video laying out that nazism. Wasn't actually facism so much as extreme Germanist with the same for Japan.

 

[Navarro]

Sargon has a video laying out that nazism. Wasn't actually facism so much as extreme Germanist with the same for Japan.

It's more that Germans have a knack for running to the extreme with whatever ideology they adopt. The DDR was more of a police state than the Soviet Union, after all.

 

[Lanmandragon]

It's more that Germans have a knack for running to the extreme with whatever ideology they adopt. The DDR was more of a police state than the Soviet Union, after all.

That's actually the meat of his argument. Basically extremism is German culture he says Japan is similar in that way.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Nazis are left wing. Confederates are left wing.


What is called the "far right" in modern parlance, is and always has been left wing.

I appreciate the sentiment but this isn’t true. The Nazis were anti communist. And anti Marxist.

Then so were a lot of people.

 

[Sailor.X]

I thought the standard cut was a shaved head? Did I miss a chapter somewhere?

Yep the chapter was amended back in 2015.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

It's more that Germans have a knack for running to the extreme with whatever ideology they adopt. The DDR was more of a police state than the Soviet Union, after all.

The German "Drive towards the absolute" is a monster they'll have to confront one day if Germany is to ever be truly stable; there are some 18th and 19th century German philosophers who have a lot to answer for. It seems the only time it ever managed to reign this in was during the days of the Empire (or Kaiserreich). Stuffy, conservative, aristocrats turn out to be quite good at putting the brakes on extremism.

 

[Navarro]

The German "Drive towards the absolute" is a monster they'll have to confront one day if Germany is to ever be truly stable; there are some 18th and 19th century German philosophers who have a lot to answer for. It seems the only time it ever managed to reign this in was during the days of the Empire (or Kaiserreich). Stuffy, conservative, aristocrats turn out to be quite good at putting the brakes on extremism.

Even then, they took 19th-century realpolitik to an extreme - look up Bismarck's hilarious clusterfuck of secret alliances for an example.

 

[Navarro]

I thought the standard cut was a shaved head? Did I miss a chapter somewhere?

IIRC that specific cut is a popular military fashion.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Even then, they took 19th-century realpolitik to an extreme - look up Bismarck's hilarious clusterfuck of secret alliances for an example.

I forgot about that. If anything the most reasonable of the German people are the god damn Austrians. Maybe history would have been kinder if Vienna had united Germany instead of Berlin (psst, God save Emperor Franz, Austria-Hungary did nothing wrong).

 

[Arch Dornan]

Have you noticed most if not all Alt Right racists men have the same haircut. Is it standard issue or something they just like having?

You'll need to provide more examples so I can see what you're stating. I heard of it but have not much idea of this hairstyle unless the real reason is because of going to a cheap barber shop who gave them that hair cut.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

I appreciate the sentiment but this isn’t true. The Nazis were anti communist. And anti Marxist.

Then so were a lot of people.

Did you even watch the video? Their economic plan, which they implemented, was PURE Marxism.

If you take all industry and fold it into the government, you are not, and indeed are the opposite of, right wing. That's fucking communism.