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I know of only one group Antifa is scared to engage, and who value free speech enough to protect both sides: Juggalos.

So really, right-wing people just need to hire/retain Juggalos as security and protection at their events.

And no, this isn't sarcasm; the Dark Carnival showed they will step in to try to reduce violence between the sides during their march in Washington.
 
@ShieldWife , the ProudBoys are a decidedly national conservative right-wing fighting group. They have a rather odd set of rules for their troopers and permit rather concerning views. I don’t think the United States is at the point where such an organisation is necessary, and if it was I would like to see it organised around definably patriotic principles not ones of pan-western ideology which is far more open to racialist influence. I don’t think it’s completely wrong to draw an equivalency.
 
Pan-western ideology isn't radical. The stated ideology of the PB isn't even conservative. Not wanting to see your civilization destroyed should be the moderate position, not an extreme one. Though ultimately, the ideology of the Proud Boys and Antifa isn't what matters here. What matters is the behavior. Antifa is a group which exists to commit violence against innocent people for expressing dissenting opinions. The Proud Boys exist to protect innocent people from that violence. Other ideology aside, the extremism (AF) or moderation (PB) is inherent to the purpose of each group.
 
you want to deal with Antifa violence? You have to go after the poltitiions who protect them, you have to go after the DA's who shield them, you have to remove judges from power.

This is the work of not just one election but several, and it means a lot of people are going to have to be fired, your other choice is lawsuits lots of lawsuits. Not of Antifa but the city who protects them, also you sue the people who fund them. There are no quick and easy victories here your literally going to have to treat Antifa like the FBI treated the KKK.

Which come to think about it was also once the democratic parties bully boy who used similar tactics.
 
Cherico said:
you want to deal with Antifa violence? You have to go after the poltitiions who protect them, you have to go after the DA's who shield them, you have to remove judges from power.

This is the work of not just one election but several, and it means a lot of people are going to have to be fired, your other choice is lawsuits lots of lawsuits. Not of Antifa but the city who protects them, also you sue the people who fund them. There are no quick and easy victories here your literally going to have to treat Antifa like the FBI treated the KKK.

Which come to think about it was also once the democratic parties bully boy who used similar tactics.
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Weren’t the KKK once Democrats alongside Feminists?

Also, I think you forgot all the rich parents
 
I'm not exactly surprised that just the PB got arrested, given the circumstances of the original fight. They weren't disguised or wearing masks, antifa was, and since the cops had to track them down based on video surveillance that naturally means they people with visible faces got caught.

I'm also not surprised self defense didn't work as a defense. Antifa appears to have started the fight, but the PB escalated it. Self defense is "he punched me, so I punched him back and shoved him to the ground". It is not "he punched me, so I punched him and shoved him to the ground, and once he was down I mercilessly kicked his teeth in along with a bunch of my buddies".
 
@ShieldWife I respect the fact that there are times that men need to form the equivalent of a Freikorps to battle it out with the enemies of civilisation in the street. In 1919 - 1920 in Germany this was critically important to preventing a Bolshevik revolution. But this was an uncomplicated measure of straightforward patriotism, with clear-cut objectives of preserving the existing social order. Usually the police joined them because they weren't being given authority by the socialists in power to enforce the law. In the United States, we didn't need them, because the authorities remained under constitutional order and were able to organise to resist communism. I do not believe it is necessary or appropriate, particularly under the constitutional authority of the United States clearly stemming from the Trump administration, to entertain the formation of street-fighting groups. The police are patriotic and primarily on the side of Trump, deportation, order, and anti-communism.
 
Captain-General said:
The police are patriotic and primarily on the side of Trump, deportation, order, and anti-communism.
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Depending on the state and cities, probably.

I think Commiefornians coming in large numbers could result in lots of “policy change” or police being told to STFU

Or for the FEDs or other non-bound by state armed forces to be used

Yeah, I’m reading Tom Kratman’s State of Disobedience

President Willie, a female democratic president who looks to be a Hillary expy, went and decided to use the Feds and to increase the number of sort of police forces for even organizations like EPA to act as a police force

It maybe fictional, but I can see it as a way to get the army needed to stomp on any rebellion without looking like an asshole by using the military.....the costs for all that gear and personnel are another thing though
 
PsihoKekec said:
USA is already partly there, every Federal service (even Department of Education) has it's own armed branch.
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Even at the federal level most of the police are quite patriotic. I mean, look at the ICE guys and Border Patrol and what they're coping with right now. It's a hard environment for them but they've persevered in doing their jobs despite the explicit effort of the left to destroy them.
 
Captain-General said:
Even at the federal level most of the police are quite patriotic. I mean, look at the ICE guys and Border Patrol and what they're coping with right now. It's a hard environment for them but they've persevered in doing their jobs despite the explicit effort of the left to destroy them.
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If they are hit with similar accusations and names, I can see things getting worse, mentally for them
 
So basically you go to prison, no matter what you do? Guess killing in self-defense will be silently condoned. In fact, if this ever gets before a jury, I fully expect them to declare the man not

Hey, if you go to prison for self-defense, then you might as well put down two or three of the antifa goons for good, no?

ShieldWife said:
It’s a working strategy for the left and it is very hard for the right to counter.
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There's a solution: Adapt the same strategy that Antifa and their backers use. They are fundamentally cowards. The moment they realize they are not safe anymore, they will scurry and hide like rats.

Is it a good solution? No. But if this continues, people will see it as one.

Captain X said:
There could be an increase in vigilantism on the part of basically everyone who isn't Antifa if law enforcement refuses to do their jobs.
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Indeed.
 
I think it’s safe to say, the only way for things to get better, is for the majority of your country to get rather disillusioned with the Far Left

Possibly needs to have actual.....experiences with them first
 
Keep in mind though that authorities in Democratic controled states will spare no effort to hunt down those who attack Antifa blackshirts, so you will have to plan and execute your actions really well.
 
PsihoKekec said:
Keep in mind though that authorities in Democratic controled states will spare no effort to hunt down those who attack Antifa blackshirts, so you will have to plan and execute your actions really well.
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Maybe Antifa will run afoul of whatever organized crime organizations or members are in said democratic states

I doubt the police are brave enough to go after actual criminals, or want the effort

Meanwhile, perhaps them breaking fellow Democrats’ stuff will get complaints
 
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